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Elmanketticks	Posted - 2010.06.28 23:18:00 - [1] Hi, I'm a noob so don't be harsh I liked to buy a Nighthawk a few months back so I began skilling for it. Now I'm ready to buy one but just noticed that the price dropped from over 220 mil. isk to way under 180 mil. isk in the last three months! Why is that the case? Have better ships been deployed in the game in the last months or is it just that everyone has their Nighthawk flying around and no one needs to buy one any longer? Enlighten me
Latrodanes Independent Combat Support Services	Posted - 2010.06.29 00:10:00 - [2] There have been quite a lot of changes to T2 production costs, not the least of which is the inclusion of some materials used in some T2 production to PI. It's also a bit quieter on the war fronts as we had into Summer so less boats getting popped I imagine. Enjoy the sale price.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.06.29 00:12:00 - [3] 180m eh? I'll wait until they drop down to 100-110M before buying. Nighthawks are so ... purposeless. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Atsuko Ratu Caldari Quafe Industries	Posted - 2010.06.29 02:22:00 - [4] Originally by: Liang Nuren 180m eh? I'll wait until they drop down to 100-110M before buying. Nighthawks are so ... purposeless. -Liang STOP RUINING DREAMS
Leobon Gallente Rage For Order En Garde	Posted - 2010.06.29 05:57:00 - [5] Get a Tengu and be happy.
Badmin	Posted - 2010.06.29 06:44:00 - [6] As an avid Nighthawk user ill say that it does add about 100 dps to the drake in most cases, the ability to shoot smaller ships due to the exp vel bonus is nice although does not justify its price / lack of rig slot. In the end, its personal preference as i do like the nighthawk very much; however, it has some pretty severe issues as its not really good at any one thing and hurts the pocket book pretty bad. Without breaking the bank, the tank can be substantialùaround 1000 dpsùbut your dps falls to about 200ish (not that impressive for close to a 200M ship). In the end, it does tank better than the drake (barely) and does a bit more dps (barely) but is not worth the 200M price tag.
Diomidis Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.29 06:52:00 - [7] NH used to be your only choice if you didn't want to go for a CNR or Golem to use in NPCing... So, you should link it's price to it's rival which is now the Tengu... T3 prices dropped dramatically - ok, maybe not during the last few months, but since T3 were first introduced. Training for a Tengu is not that hard - I think it's actually easier than for a NH. The result with proper subsystem skilling is equal to alot better. And the base 200M difference in hulls is nothing, as the ship is now compared to the CNR / Golem, and it's way more versatile than all of the above, being usable in more situations - tho according to experts it cannot clearly be better than a properly skilled BS hull of the above in running lvl4s... Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game!
Elmanketticks	Posted - 2010.06.29 07:49:00 - [8] Thanks guys for the info. The Nighthawk won't be my "main" ship as my Raven can easily deal an equal amount of DPS in L4 missions, I just like the design of the Nighthawk Tengu is my target after all, but I'll have to earn some cash until then. I'll wait another 3-4 weeks and buy a nighthawk then! Thanks again. PS: Would any of you - not including pirates and 0.0 players - buy a ship via contract for a good price out of a 0.0 station which is > 30 jumps away from your current position? Or is the risk of being ganked on the way to the station or back to highsec not worth it?
GyokZoli Caldari	Posted - 2010.06.29 08:17:00 - [9] Originally by: Badmin As an avid Nighthawk user ill say that it does add about 100 dps to the drake in most cases, the ability to shoot smaller ships due to the exp vel bonus is nice although does not justify its price / lack of rig slot. In the end, its personal preference as i do like the nighthawk very much; however, it has some pretty severe issues as its not really good at any one thing and hurts the pocket book pretty bad. Without breaking the bank, the tank can be substantialùaround 1000 dpsùbut your dps falls to about 200ish (not that impressive for close to a 200M ship). In the end, it does tank better than the drake (barely) and does a bit more dps (barely) but is not worth the 200M price tag. A bit more DPS than a Drake? It does 600 (without the drones): [Nighthawk, CS Active v2.2] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II Gistum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Small Tractor Beam I Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Hobgoblin II x5
GyokZoli Caldari	Posted - 2010.06.29 08:25:00 - [10] Originally by: Elmanketticks Thanks guys for the info. The Nighthawk won't be my "main" ship as my Raven can easily deal an equal amount of DPS in L4 missions, I just like the design of the Nighthawk Tengu is my target after all, but I'll have to earn some cash until then. I'll wait another 3-4 weeks and buy a nighthawk then! Thanks again. PS: Would any of you - not including pirates and 0.0 players - buy a ship via contract for a good price out of a 0.0 station which is > 30 jumps away from your current position? Or is the risk of being ganked on the way to the station or back to highsec not worth it? Don't buy anything in 0.0, you will surely bump into gatecamps and bubbles. I would even avoid lowsec unless I have an explorer alt ahead of my main.
Denuo Secus	Posted - 2010.06.29 09:59:00 - [11] One thing the NH can do better than a Tengu or Golem is passive tanking. While this is suboptimal in lvl4s (active tanking -> better effective damage due to damage rigs) ....passive tanking is very nice in neut heavy situations like lvl5 missions, plexes and maybe WHs. Tho I'm not completely sure if Sleepers will neut in the harder classes. Only rival to the NH here: Rattlesnake. Passive tank is also a nice option for semi afk missioning. FOFs and passive tank ftw ^^ - Save the missiles from the glowing blob :S R ----------> * A --------> * V --------> * E -------> * N ---------> *
Diomidis Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.29 11:07:00 - [12] Originally by: Denuo Secus Passive tank is also a nice option for semi afk missioning. FOFs and passive tank ftw ^^ Cap stable setups with even c-type small pithi etc is so good using proper resist mods that passive tanking is not an attractive option if you don't expect neuting in missions. An if semi-afk missioning is the goal, get a drone boat - FoF are meh to say the least. Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game!
Denuo Secus	Posted - 2010.06.29 11:25:00 - [13] Originally by: Diomidis Originally by: Denuo Secus Passive tank is also a nice option for semi afk missioning. FOFs and passive tank ftw ^^ An if semi-afk missioning is the goal, get a drone boat - FoF are meh to say the least. I really don't know where this myth comes from. Or I'm a lousy drone user :P I tried it with drones. But very often in missions there's is a respawn or re-aggro or whatever. And even if not...to use drones afk you'll need stage aggro in any case. That means a lot of tank. FoFs are way easier to use for that purpose imho. I did it with a FoF AML Caracal in countless lvl1 and 2 missions for standing gain. FoF HM Drake in lvl3 and 4 missions. Only concern with FoFs are structures. But this can be solved (mostly) by range management. In best case (encounters) just warp at range. The NPCs are approaching you mostly, structures not. - Save the missiles from the glowing blob :S R ----------> * A --------> * V --------> * E -------> * N ---------> *
Alsyth Night Warder	Posted - 2010.06.29 11:58:00 - [14] Originally by: GyokZoli A bit more DPS than a Drake? It does 600 (without the drones): [Nighthawk, CS Active v2.2] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II Gistum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Small Tractor Beam I Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Hobgoblin II x5 3B fit and T1 rigs ? FAIL
GyokZoli Caldari	Posted - 2010.06.29 12:53:00 - [15] Originally by: Alsyth 3B fit and T1 rigs ? FAIL It's more like 1,2-1,5 billion. But yeah, I forgot about the T2 rigs.
Alsyth Night Warder	Posted - 2010.06.29 13:08:00 - [16] Edited by: Alsyth on 29/06/2010 13:09:06 Originally by: GyokZoli Originally by: Alsyth 3B fit and T1 rigs ? FAIL It's more like 1,2-1,5 billion. But yeah, I forgot about the T2 rigs. Gistum A alone is 2B. With a Gistum B (800M), yeah, it's a 1B5 fit.
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.06.29 13:38:00 - [17] It still sucks compared to the tengu /and does only 64 more dps than drake/.
GyokZoli Caldari	Posted - 2010.06.29 13:48:00 - [18] Originally by: Alsyth Edited by: Alsyth on 29/06/2010 13:09:06 Originally by: GyokZoli Originally by: Alsyth 3B fit and T1 rigs ? FAIL It's more like 1,2-1,5 billion. But yeah, I forgot about the T2 rigs. Gistum A alone is 2B. With a Gistum B (800M), yeah, it's a 1B5 fit. Really? Then I am glad i bought a Pithum A instead for around 800 million.
Diomidis Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.29 13:51:00 - [19] Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 It still sucks compared to the tengu /and does only 64 more dps than drake/. Nah...you have to compare it with a T2 fit drake or a 3x BCU drake vs. 4x BCU NH to make sense... Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game!
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.06.29 13:55:00 - [20] Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 29/06/2010 13:55:49 I tried NH for missions some time ago, it does an ok job, but not spectacular. I very much disagree with all these overtanks fits tho, I used this for level 4s with no problem what so ever: [Nighthawk, Missions] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heat Dissipation Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Target Painter II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Salvager II Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Hobgoblin II x5 More then enough tank to kill a mission. I am fairly sure dropping an LSE for speed would be viable for most level4s also. Level 4s are usually pathetic in strengt of the rats anyways :). Rigs can be wahtever as well I guess. Since I don't do missions anymore its just gathering dust like my old CNR... :P -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Alsyth Night Warder	Posted - 2010.06.29 14:16:00 - [21] Originally by: GyokZoli Originally by: Alsyth Edited by: Alsyth on 29/06/2010 13:09:06 Originally by: GyokZoli Originally by: Alsyth 3B fit and T1 rigs ? FAIL It's more like 1,2-1,5 billion. But yeah, I forgot about the T2 rigs. Gistum A alone is 2B. With a Gistum B (800M), yeah, it's a 1B5 fit. Really? Then I am glad i bought a Pithum A instead for around 800 million. Gistum A is better when it comes to shield/cap. The best in game (apart from officier ?) if I'm not mistaken. If you want an almost cap stable tank, you'll have a better fit with it than with a pithum A which will requires cap mods you don't want.
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.06.29 14:34:00 - [22] Originally by: Diomidis Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 It still sucks compared to the tengu /and does only 64 more dps than drake/. Nah...you have to compare it with a T2 fit drake or a 3x BCU drake vs. 4x BCU NH to make sense... Why dont we compare it to 4x spr drake? Then nighthawk does 400 dps more than drake... Drake fitted 4x cn bcu and 2x t2 missile rigs is perfectly viable - but it make as much sense as using nighthawk over tengu for l4 missions /0/. Also if that guy with 2,5b fit on ship with less than 50k ehp was good at eft, he would use t2 rof rig for additional 30 dps /considering you have 5 light drones so you will most likely never have to shoot frigs with hmls/.
Atsuko Ratu Caldari Quafe Industries	Posted - 2010.06.29 15:34:00 - [23] Originally by: GyokZoli A bit more DPS than a Drake? It does 600 (without the drones): [Nighthawk, CS Active v2.2] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II Gistum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Small Tractor Beam I Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Hobgoblin II x5 A drake built the same way does 520 before drones. Pretty sure people meant PvP though.
Cosmic Rainbow	Posted - 2010.06.29 16:02:00 - [24] It was said above. Command ships are fail compared to T3 and Tier 2 BC's. Dont waste your money or training time.
Jasdemi Caldari Caldari Manufacturing	Posted - 2010.06.29 18:20:00 - [25] Originally by: Leobon Get a Tengu and be happy. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Holy Veldspar - where cool kids gather.
Elmanketticks Caldari	Posted - 2010.06.29 23:21:00 - [26] Originally by: Jasdemi Originally by: Leobon Get a Tengu and be happy. Will do, but first I want to fly a Nighthawk! After all, the Tengu is a bit more expensive to fit as I have noticed. Anyway thanks again for your thoughts.

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