Originally by: Mideiir

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Is there something else behind this decision that we don't know?

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Originally by: Mideiir

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Oh damn, your combat orientated space-holding alliance has had a salvo fired its way.

--DISBAND--

Is there something else behind this decision that we don't know?

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Originally by: Musical Fist

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Why not just join PL (even though they are NC pets) and take down other pets just to form a powerblock with more pets than the pets in the powerblock you were shooting before?

Also since max mk III primarys activity has reduced by 75% much likes atlas activity, hmm I guess not being able to shoot anything gives little incentive to logging on

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Originally by: NSA Bivas

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wtf don't go let the farmers stay we need there faction mods

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Originally by: Ms Twitch

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I have to say it was lame of COW and GC to reset Primary. just so they can get easy kills, some alliances have little honour.

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Originally by: Carl Spackler

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That sucks.

I'll really miss you guys.

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Originally by: Osric Wuscfrea

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Being shot = disbanding..?

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Originally by: dastommy79

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Can't we all just get along?

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Originally by: gala gidas

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I came ro realise that in EVE there is nothing more honest and trustworthy than the red guy shooting you.You will never be surprised in any way

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Originally by: Xystance

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... at least that space is going to someone honourable.

... heh.
... hehehe...
hahahah

*snert*

You wacky Brits and your queen's english.

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Originally by: SFX Bladerunner

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Originally by: Xystance

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... at least that space is going to someone honourable.

... heh.
... hehehe...
hahahah

*snert*

You wacky Brits and your queen's english.

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as opposed to 'the presidents' american english?.. how do you pronounce nuclear again?
alumminum

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Originally by: Corvus Dove

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Disappointing. Largely because about a week ago, my EVE machine took a dive and I won't have a replacement for about a week. How did I find out about this change? I saw my alliance tag vanish, then be replaced by the HTA tag, right here in these very forums.

With several hundred mil in ships in 4-c and 1v, how screwed am I?

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Originally by: Pinoyminer

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Originally by: Corvus Dove

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Disappointing. Largely because about a week ago, my EVE machine took a dive and I won't have a replacement for about a week. How did I find out about this change? I saw my alliance tag vanish, then be replaced by the HTA tag, right here in these very forums.

With several hundred mil in ships in 4-c and 1v, how screwed am I?

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Your alliance is the new owner of 1V and 4-C station, so you should be good.

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Originally by: DurrHurrDurr

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I don't know if Primary[dot] realizes how awesome a slugfest between CoW, GC and them would be.

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Originally by: Ms Twitch

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I have to say it was lame of COW and GC to reset PrimaryDOT just so they can get easy kills, some alliances have little honour.

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Originally by: Ms Twitch

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some alliances have little honour.

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Originally by: Ms Twitch

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little honour.

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Originally by: Ms Twitch

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honour.

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Originally by: Ms Twitch

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DOT

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Originally by: Xornicon Altair

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It never ceases to amaze me how many butthurt, uninformed, simpletons there are playing EVE. If we had known that GC and COW would be such excellent purveyors of drama, we would have done this a long time ago.

Thank you for all the chatlogs to be used against you in the future! Good luck in holding your space without our support!

ATTN Goons and PL: If you wish to arrange join-ops against GC and COW in association with the ex-Primary Elites that are moving on to bigger and better things, please don't hesitate to call us up.

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Originally by: gala gidas

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Primary's support reminds me an old military joke:"A" country decides to invade "B" country.Generals from "A" country have a meeting and one of them says:"lets send 1 tank to invade B country"..and the audience cheers..
a second general says:"lets send 2 tanks to invade"..more cheers...
and a 3rd one says"well how about we send all 3 tanks???"
What i wonder though is why leave from the area if you want to attack someone?

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Originally by: Xornicon Altair

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ATTN Goons and PL: If you wish to arrange join-ops against GC and COW in association with the ex-Primary Elites that are moving on to bigger and better things, please don't hesitate to call us up.

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Originally by: gala gidas

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Edited by: gala gidas on 29/06/2010 19:08:41

Primary's support reminds me an old military joke:"A" country decides to invade "B" country.Generals from "A" country have a meeting and one of them says:"lets send 1 tank to invade B country"..and the audience cheers..
a second general says:"lets send 2 tanks to invade"..more cheers...
and a 3rd one says"well how about we send all 3 tanks???"
What i wonder though is why leave from the area if you want to attack someone?

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Originally by: MissBolyai

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Originally by: gala gidas

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Originally by: Xornicon Altair

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ATTN Goons and PL: If you wish to arrange join-ops against GC and COW in association with the ex-Primary Elites that are moving on to bigger and better things, please don't hesitate to call us up.

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We'll run joint ops with goons to help you secure this military objective. I've set goons temp blue. You should hit up Hubris in game for the deets.

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you can also hit up MissBolyai for some great role-playing-space-prostitute-manlove
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Originally by: Hubris

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Originally by: MissBolyai

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Originally by: gala gidas

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Originally by: Xornicon Altair

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ATTN Goons and PL: If you wish to arrange join-ops against GC and COW in association with the ex-Primary Elites that are moving on to bigger and better things, please don't hesitate to call us up.

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We'll run joint ops with goons to help you secure this military objective. I've set goons temp blue. You should hit up Hubris in game for the deets.

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you can also hit up MissBolyai for some great role-playing-space-prostitute-manlove

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Or hit up hubris to l2quote

Originally by: Junior SvK

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What ?!

2000 man alliance will disband coz 2 alliancies will reset them wtf ?

WHy you didint just pack your stuff move to curse and fight with them ?

I mean really...2000 man alliance disbanding coz 2 restets ..lol..

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Originally by: Wusti

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I got a better one:

GURU

Nice top up for the Titan fund mate?

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Originally by: Guru

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GC more or less sponsored us getting space after letting us live with them in GW, babysat us while we grew from a 300 man pubby alliance into a 2500 man carebear blob with 0 recruiting standards. Space was given to us rent and effort / fight free. Thankfully, due to alot of asking and pestering even atlas set us blue because of COW, and GC. So in closing were going to crap in their cheerios to show our appreciation.

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Originally by: Mya ElleTerego

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Cut to 10 months later of carebearing and fail recruiting, and were now at this point. The point where guru announces after isk has been transferred, that rather than give the space back that they were holding, they secretly sell it to another massive carebear blob that rents from atlas. Guru and woopatang corp take the 32 billion isk they absconded with and fly off into the sunset, leaving all thier corps and dudes that havent logged in for a few days, to fend for themselves. Apprently the bigger and better things they are off to do, is renting space in the spire from the drone russkies so they can carebear with even less risk or responsibility. How your trying to spin that in doing us a favor and getting backstabbed is beyond me. Mukk even agreed to let your sorry left over corps have 2 days to get their stuff out.

TLDR. Primary.DOT is a terrible alliance, has been since stain, and now is going to failcascade cause the carebears dont like all the local pvp. HTA got scammed out of 32 billion isk, because primary. has no dignity. Also Im sure PL / cursed/ noobit/ and what ever is left of goons that didnt go home already, will try and capitalize on for more lolz. Apprently 1v- is already SBUed by PL during that 48 hour grace period heh.
Thats a great favor GURU and Woopatang, us and cow really appreciate it.

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Originally by: Mya ElleTerego

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Originally by: Guru

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GC more or less sponsored us getting space after letting us live with them in GW, babysat us while we grew from a 300 man pubby alliance into a 2500 man carebear blob with 0 recruiting standards. Space was given to us rent and effort / fight free. Thankfully, due to alot of asking and pestering even atlas set us blue because of COW, and GC. So in closing were going to crap in their cheerios to show our appreciation.

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Fixed



Cut to 10 months later of carebearing and fail recruiting, and we're now at this point. The point where guru announces after the isk has been transferred, that rather than give the space back that they were holding, they have secretly sold it to another massive carebear blob that rents from atlas. Guru and woopatang corp take the 32 billion isk they absconded with and fly off into the sunset, leaving all thier corps and dudes that haven't logged in for a few days to fend for themselves. Apprently the bigger and better things they are off to do, is renting space in the spire from the drone russkies so they can carebear with even less risk or responsibility. How your trying to spin that into doing us a favor and getting backstabbed is beyond me. Mukk even agreed to let your sorry left over corps have 2 days to get their stuff out.

TLDR. Primary. is a terrible alliance, has been since stain, and now is going to failure cascade cause the carebears don't like all the local pvp. HTA got scammed out of 32 billion isk, because primary. has no dignity. Also I'm sure PL / cursed/ noobit/ and what ever is left of goons that didnt go home already, will try and capitalize on for more lolz. Apprently 1v- is already SBUed by PL during that 48 hour grace period heh.
Thats a great favor GURU and Woopatang, us and cow really appreciate it.

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Originally by: Hubris

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you can also hit up MissBolyai for some great role-playing-space-prostitute-manlove

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Originally by: Dirty SIut

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My real questions is how stupid can an alliance be.. If one alliance is getting kicked out by COW/GC why would you buy their space?

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Originally by: Meno Theaetetus

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Oppressed victims of the southern coalition's evil empire, the north feels your pain and offers its support and consolation in this, your darkest hour.

For too long the south has farmed new entity's for targets, building them up, only to then knock them down. Stand tall and take comfort that the north opposes their machiavellian ways.

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Originally by: Unity Love

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Originally by: gala gidas

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Edited by: gala gidas on 29/06/2010 19:08:41

Primary's support reminds me an old military joke:"A" country decides to invade "B" country.Generals from "A" country have a meeting and one of them says:"lets send 1 tank to invade B country"..and the audience cheers..
a second general says:"lets send 2 tanks to invade"..more cheers...
and a 3rd one says"well how about we send all 3 tanks???"
What i wonder though is why leave from the area if you want to attack someone?

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that was the worst joke ever.

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Originally by: Hisara

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Edited by: Hisara on 29/06/2010 21:02:05After all it has been our great desire to come cut that great elephant p***s in half ya know the one you like to brag about lol

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Originally by: NL1GHT3D

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amidoinitrite?

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Originally by: Togae Alus

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COW and GC gave Primary a chunk of SP.

It wasn't theirs alone to sell without consulting GC or COW

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Originally by: Togae Alus

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Here is the official position of Gentlemans Club Regarding the Primary Issue and the sale of their Space to HTA:

Primary Leadership scammed HTA for 32 billion isk.

They sold their 3rd of scalding pass.

It wasn't theirs alone to sell without consulting GC or COW
Atlas gave COW and GC Scalding Pass.

COW and GC gave Primary a chunk of SP.

Primary didn't consult anyone outside of HTA because it would ruin their scam for GC to tell HTA and Primary they couldn't do this thing

Primary leadership left their members out to hang

Also it is our belief that Primary leadership decided to do this just to be able to keep the money for themselves whit out taking into account the hard work of their members and their allies in the region and if they did this we are almost sure that they also took the rest of PrimaryÆs Assets further crippling their members.

HTA was also not very smart in this transaction as they did not bother to check if the area was free to buy and if it would come without any other implications or consequences.

If you are a Primary member that feels cheated out by your leaders contact me to see if GC can offer you any help.

Togae Alus GC Diplomat

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Originally by: Campaign lvl5

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I do believe that Primary. are the failures here.

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Originally by: Osric Wuscfrea

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Being shot = disbanding..?

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Originally by: Togae Alus

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Edited by: Togae Alus on 29/06/2010 22:02:54
Here is the official position of Gentlemans Club Regarding the Primary Issue and the sale of their Space to HTA:

Primary Leadership scammed HTA for 32 billion isk.

They sold their 3rd of scalding pass.

It wasn't theirs alone to sell without consulting GC or COW, Atlas gave COW and GC Scalding Pass.

COW and GC gave Primary a chunk of SP.

Primary didn't consult anyone outside of HTA because it would ruin their scam for GC to tell HTA and Primary they couldn't do this thing

Primary leadership left their members out to hang

Also it is our belief that Primary leadership decided to do this just to be able to keep the money for themselves whit out taking into account the hard work of their members and their allies in the region and if they did this we are almost sure that they also took the rest of PrimaryÆs Assets further crippling their members.

HTA was also not very smart in this transaction as they did not bother to check if the area was free to buy and if it would come without any other implications or consequences.

If you are a Primary member that feels cheated out by your leaders contact me to see if GC can offer you any help.

Togae Alus GC Diplomat

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Originally by: NSA Bivas

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wtf don't go let the farmers stay we need there faction mods

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Originally by: Swp

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Edited by: Swp on 29/06/2010 23:51:14

Originally by: NSA Bivas

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wtf don't go let the farmers stay we need there faction mods

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The farmers went back to stain & PB a few weeks ago !

anyway


I'm a lil confuse , So the Pets of the Pets tryed to scam their Pets ?

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Originally by: gala gidas

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Edited by: gala gidas on 29/06/2010 19:08:41

Originally by: Xornicon Altair

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It never ceases to amaze me how many butthurt, uninformed, simpletons there are playing EVE. If we had known that GC and COW would be such excellent purveyors of drama, we would have done this a long time ago.

Thank you for all the chatlogs to be used against you in the future! Good luck in holding your space without our support!

ATTN Goons and PL: If you wish to arrange join-ops against GC and COW in association with the ex-Primary Elites that are moving on to bigger and better things, please don't hesitate to call us up.

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Primary's support reminds me an old military joke:"A" country decides to invade "B" country.Generals from "A" country have a meeting and one of them says:"lets send 1 tank to invade B country"..and the audience cheers..
a second general says:"lets send 2 tanks to invade"..more cheers...
and a 3rd one says"well how about we send all 3 tanks???"
What i wonder though is why leave from the area if you want to attack someone?

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Originally by: Altair Mogwa

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I remember Primary. back from stain years ago, when Sys-k was ramping up their taking of Eso, and brought in legiunea-romana and Primary. to clean up north stain/1-H. They weren't very good, I see nothing has changed. oh wait, yes it has, they disbanded vs. having healthy pvp.

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Originally by: Togae Alus
They sold their 3rd of scalding pass.

COW and GC gave Primary a chunk of SP.

HTA was also not very smart in this transaction as they did not bother to check if the area was free to buy and if it would come without any other implications or consequences

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Im confused. It sounds like they were given space to do what they wished as your "official" statement clearly says and they chose to sell it. This all sounds like some kind of trumped up muchadoaboutnothing to fire the "base" up and start a covert recruitment drive. Id like to see you put a statement out about Atlas controlling there renters "or else" but you wont. If you blame HTA, Primary. clearly Atlas is on your list as well no?

Originally by: OrDeR

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Originally by: gala gidas

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Edited by: gala gidas on 29/06/2010 19:08:41

Originally by: Xornicon Altair

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It never ceases to amaze me how many butthurt, uninformed, simpletons there are playing EVE. If we had known that GC and COW would be such excellent purveyors of drama, we would have done this a long time ago.

Thank you for all the chatlogs to be used against you in the future! Good luck in holding your space without our support!

ATTN Goons and PL: If you wish to arrange join-ops against GC and COW in association with the ex-Primary Elites that are moving on to bigger and better things, please don't hesitate to call us up.

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Primary's support reminds me an old military joke:"A" country decides to invade "B" country.Generals from "A" country have a meeting and one of them says:"lets send 1 tank to invade B country"..and the audience cheers..
a second general says:"lets send 2 tanks to invade"..more cheers...
and a 3rd one says"well how about we send all 3 tanks???"
What i wonder though is why leave from the area if you want to attack someone?

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Gala gidas that is some bad posting.

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Quote:

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Cut to 10 months later of carebearing and fail recruiting, and were now at this point. The point where guru announces after isk has been transferred, that rather than give the space back that they were holding, they secretly sell it to another massive carebear blob that rents from atlas. Guru and woopatang corp take the 32 billion isk they absconded with and fly off into the sunset, leaving all thier corps and dudes that havent logged in for a few days, to fend for themselves. Apprently the bigger and better things they are off to do, is renting space in the spire from the drone russkies so they can carebear with even less risk or responsibility. How your trying to spin that in doing us a favor and getting backstabbed is beyond me. Mukk even agreed to let your sorry left over corps have 2 days to get their stuff out.

TLDR. Primary.DOT is a terrible alliance, has been since stain, and now is going to failcascade cause the carebears dont like all the local pvp. HTA got scammed out of 32 billion isk, because primary. has no dignity. Also Im sure PL / cursed/ noobit/ and what ever is left of goons that didnt go home already, will try and capitalize on for more lolz. Apprently 1v- is already SBUed by PL during that 48 hour grace period heh.
Thats a great favor GURU and Woopatang, us and cow really appreciate it.

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Originally by: Togae Alus

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HTA was also not very smart in this transaction as they did not bother to check if the area was free to buy and if it would come without any other implications or consequences.

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Originally by: Hinkledolph

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Originally by: Togae Alus

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HTA was also not very smart in this transaction as they did not bother to check if the area was free to buy and if it would come without any other implications or consequences.

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HTA didn't have to ask your permission if ATLAS already OKed the deal. If this is the case, then you will STFU and will keep your mouth shut.

<3 Mya, Camaris, Mukko(insert weird name)ovian

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Originally by: cyclobs

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Originally by: Hinkledolph

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Originally by: Togae Alus

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HTA was also not very smart in this transaction as they did not bother to check if the area was free to buy and if it would come without any other implications or consequences.

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HTA didn't have to ask your permission if ATLAS already OKed the deal. If this is the case, then you will STFU and will keep your mouth shut.

<3 Mya, Camaris, Mukko(insert weird name)ovian

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confirming atlas did gave us permission (and supported us) in the taking of SP before any transaction was made.

Atlas changed their mind after CoW and GC whinged to them about SP being their space that primary has no right to give away. Resulting in atlas changing their mind about the whole thing and telling us we don't get either SP or our isk.

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Originally by: cyclobs

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Originally by: Hinkledolph

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Originally by: Togae Alus

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HTA was also not very smart in this transaction as they did not bother to check if the area was free to buy and if it would come without any other implications or consequences.

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HTA didn't have to ask your permission if ATLAS already OKed the deal. If this is the case, then you will STFU and will keep your mouth shut.

<3 Mya, Camaris, Mukko(insert weird name)ovian

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confirming atlas did gave us permission (and supported us) in the taking of SP before any transaction was made.

Atlas changed their mind after CoW and GC whinged to them about SP being their space that primary has no right to give away. Resulting in atlas changing their mind about the whole thing and telling us we don't get either SP or our isk.

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Originally by: Corvus Dove

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I'm now completely confused.

I still can't log in to EVE and won't be able to for about a week. That means, for local political news in 4-C and 1v, I'm having to follow...this thread.

Let me attempt a summary and someone correct me if I'm wrong:

1. Primary. leadership realized they'd gotten all the use they would get out of the corps they brought in recently and secretly brokered a deal with HTA to sell SP and split.

2. HTA jumped at it, but no-one informed COW and GC, so when it just up and happened, COW and GC were rather peeved. This deal took place to the cost of 32billion ISK. Primary. left everyone else behind (including me and my corp) wordlessly.

3. Goonfleet popped in and dropped some SBUs, which were taken down within hours. Sovreignty was retained by HTA.

4. The whole nightmare spoiled the deal; Primary. made off with the 32 bil, but was already on the other side of space by the time GC and COW complained to Atlas. Atlas has since, judging from the last HTA post on the thread other than myself, decided that Scalding Pass won't be going to HTA after all, leaving me and my assets docked and screwed.

That about right?

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Originally by: EngIand

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Ok, This is a story of how my corp (which was in Primary) got screwed by GURU !
I mean its kinda funny how the leadership decided to sell not only the space, not only the stations but every f**kin corp in Primary's space to HTA. Not only have HTA got screwed by this but every corp in Primary that isnt staying with the EX-so called leadership. There are stories floating around in Primary about how GURU has made out like a f**kin bandit, with between 70-100bil.
I mean the station systems are worth like 30bil each, but now there are rumours that he didnt even get a good price for all of the people he sold out. All he got for the space, the stations and the people he sold to HTA was 32bil ? (We didnt just get sold out, we got sold out cheap)

The BS that people are spinning in this thread is awesome. COW and GC's spin is kinda cute, they got kinda screwed on the whole deal and are p****d, depending on your perspective you'd agree with them or not.
Others are saying that Primary was failing and we only ever showed up with 5 or 10 people fleets ? That is a f**king joke. Regular PVP roams of 50-60-70 were run all the time. CTA's happening all the time. We (The people of Primary) just had no faith in GC or COW FC's. And it was common knowledge that COW and GC's CTA's werent mandatory and we only went if we felt like it. If we had a CTA and it was a formal thing, we'd easily pull together 200-250 and if planned in advance 300-350, EASILY !

But the Biggest B*****IT ! Comes from GURU himself and the people in FFW and Woopatang. About how they havnt doen anything wrong. THATS total BS !. They sold the space. the stations and EVERYONE in Primary for a cash payout. And then they have the nerve to try and spin the BS about how it was a good thing and how it could have been a whole lot worse. This is a bad as it gets. Having your alliance to sell you to not even the highest bidder. All the time, effort and ships and isk put into the area and the people of your alliance, just to have the leadership f**k you over. THATS the story of whats happening, happened and the marketing BS that the Primary leadership is putting around.

(All time best quote relating to the situation goes to Aratillion "They didnt sell out, they sold us..............")

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Originally by: Guru

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Look 1 post up.

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Originally by: EngIand

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And then they have the nerve to try and spin the BS about how it was a good thing and how it could have been a whole lot worse. This is a bad as it gets.

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Originally by: Raser Moonstrider

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Originally by: EngIand

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And then they have the nerve to try and spin the BS about how it was a good thing and how it could have been a whole lot worse. This is a bad as it gets.

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Right...because you got kicked out of the alliance immediately with no warning, didn't get the choice of staying in the region (in any way), were not given time to move your things, got attacked on-sight by your "alliance mates," had 30+ reds camping every station and in every system....shall I go on?

Yes, the deal you got by how the alliance was disbanded was just...so horrible...

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Originally by: Swp

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I'm a lil confuse , So the Pets of the Pets tryed to scam their Pets ?

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Originally by: EngIand

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Originally by: Raser Moonstrider

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Originally by: EngIand

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And then they have the nerve to try and spin the BS about how it was a good thing and how it could have been a whole lot worse. This is a bad as it gets.

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Right...because you got kicked out of the alliance immediately with no warning, didn't get the choice of staying in the region (in any way), were not given time to move your things, got attacked on-sight by your "alliance mates," had 30+ reds camping every station and in every system....shall I go on?

Yes, the deal you got by how the alliance was disbanded was just...so horrible...

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**sniff** **sniff** **sniff** **sniff** I smell......**sniff** i smell..........marketing bull***t **sniff** **sniff**

Dont p**s in my pocket and tell me its raining. 75% of the so-called alliance got kinda screwed and your trying to bigup the good points ?

And we didnt get kiked out. We got told the space,stations and corps had been sold. And then COW/GC informed us that we had 48 hours before we get buttf**ked out of the area. Weve HAD to leave Primary, cause the people staying in Primary have already evacuated before making the announcment of what was happeneing. Leaving everyone who's not going with you left in the area being threatened by GC and COW. Weve had to leave the Alliance cause we are a target to everyone in the area and in need of getting out before getting screwed. Weve had 24 hours from the annoucement to get crap out and HTA's plans to take over have been turned down by Atlas. GC/COW/Cursed/Goons and everyone and their buttplug are now roaming through scalding looking for anyone to jump on.

Good for you, you got paid, you got out of the area. and everyone left behind got screwed. Its beautiful. For you. Playing up how everyone is happy and 75% of the people arnt. Your playing a marketing campaign by trying to spin of the good points of how 75% of 2000 people got screwed ? How considerate of you. ass***e

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Originally by: Heofz

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Edited by: Heofz on 30/06/2010 19:08:56
lol, why does this thread remind me so much of davet517's exploits at insmother region next door (leader of Reckoning.)

If there's one thing I learned from being in a corp that rented from Atlas, is trust f***ing NOBODY. We had a 2000 man alliance kicked out by Atlas because of one slimey ginger little prick.

Yep, our alliance diplo (davet517) turned out to be a complete snake. Careful planning and social engineering (plus a little conniving with Atlas with lots of bought isk) ensured our whole alliance were eventually kicked out, leaving him to form a new one as the leader.

tl;dr - Renting sucks.

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Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza

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dave517 must have been some sort of genius mastermind to convince Atlas that B4D W0LF were bad renters, still wondering how he did it...

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Originally by: EngIand

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Originally by: Raser Moonstrider

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Originally by: EngIand

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And then they have the nerve to try and spin the BS about how it was a good thing and how it could have been a whole lot worse. This is a bad as it gets.

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Right...because you got kicked out of the alliance immediately with no warning, didn't get the choice of staying in the region (in any way), were not given time to move your things, got attacked on-sight by your "alliance mates," had 30+ reds camping every station and in every system....shall I go on?

Yes, the deal you got by how the alliance was disbanded was just...so horrible...

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**sniff** **sniff** **sniff** **sniff** I smell......**sniff** i smell..........marketing bull***t **sniff** **sniff**

Dont p**s in my pocket and tell me its raining. 75% of the so-called alliance got kinda screwed and your trying to bigup the good points ?

And we didnt get kiked out. We got told the space,stations and corps had been sold. And then COW/GC informed us that we had 48 hours before we get buttf**ked out of the area. Weve HAD to leave Primary, cause the people staying in Primary have already evacuated before making the announcment of what was happeneing. Leaving everyone who's not going with you left in the area being threatened by GC and COW. Weve had to leave the Alliance cause we are a target to everyone in the area and in need of getting out before getting screwed. Weve had 24 hours from the annoucement to get crap out and HTA's plans to take over have been turned down by Atlas. GC/COW/Cursed/Goons and everyone and their buttplug are now roaming through scalding looking for anyone to jump on.

Good for you, you got paid, you got out of the area. and everyone left behind got screwed. Its beautiful. For you. Playing up how everyone is happy and 75% of the people arnt. Your playing a marketing campaign by trying to spin of the good points of how 75% of 2000 people got screwed ? How considerate of you. ass***e

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Originally by: FreedomCalls

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It is a shame that some of the people in primary. alliance are going to get the benefit of the work of the whole alliance.

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Originally by: FreedomCalls

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But hey, sometimes people get left behind.

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Originally by: FreedomCalls

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I could list the number of alliances that GC/Cow have collectivly screwed over but I wont, Primary. is however fully aware of the list of the number of people they have decided to **** over relentlessly, and as such has made a decent decision to GTFO. Just because they are switching up the norms, doesn't mean they were failscading or w/e other crap is posted in this thread. Primary. was a healthy, active and successful pvp and industry alliance just 1 week ago. They want some isk to jump start there new endeavors, doesn't sound that crazy to me. The only shame in all this is that a portion of the alliance cant be taken along with the bulk of the alliance to the new endeavor. It is a shame that some of the people in primary. alliance are going to get the benefit of the work of the whole alliance. But hey, sometimes people get left behind.

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Originally by: IronGoldenEagle

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An alliance run by Guru failed? How suprising

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Originally by: Ms Twitch

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I feel sorry for HTA in one hand being scammed out of all the money, although I do think you didn't research the situation fully.

Wooptang and Guru are s****for betraying the trust of Primary. and it's members who made the alliance what it was and, it was all done so they line there own pockets.

My 2 cents worth.

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Originally by: Corvus Dove

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I'd love to log in and find out the real story. Unfortunately, I can't even log in, so seeing my nose is necessary before seeing what is in front of it .

Oh well, I guess I'll just show up in about a week and adapt to whatever politics are going on in the systems at the time.

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Originally by: Eve 666

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Edited by: Eve 666 on 01/07/2010 00:28:25
congratz on hta

the first alliance ever who reached 100+ corp, and managed to have only 2 of them own 100+ member.


quality over quantity is a must

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Originally by: Guru

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Edited by: Guru on 30/06/2010 20:56:24
Billions upon billions of isk have been spent on towers, upgrades, start up costs, and monthly fuel all of which most were not covered by alliance dues.

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Originally by: Azran Zala

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Edited by: Azran Zala on 01/07/2010 01:27:44

Originally by: Eve 666

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Edited by: Eve 666 on 01/07/2010 00:28:25
congratz on hta

the first alliance ever who reached 100+ corp, and managed to have only 2 of them own 100+ member.


quality over quantity is a must

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I didnt know MACROS had opinions...
You trying to rip stella off or just found a nice deadend system to afk rat in? Kes misses you btw, he jest it was quite fitting to have killed you with a 'flycatcher'.

Funniest part for me was watching your raven pilot's pod warp from belt to belt looking for rats.

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Originally by: Mya ElleTerego

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Time goes by, it seems so long
But it was only days ago when things were going wrong
What happened to the love, to the love we knew
The days we shared were so short and so few
And baby I miss you
Baby I miss you
Remember when it didn't rain
Will I ever see the sun again
And baby I miss you
Baby I miss you
And I only wish that I could share your love again
I thought about leaving for some new place
Somewhere where I, I don't have to see your face
'Cause seeing your face only brings me out in tears
Thinking of the love I've wasted all through the years

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Originally by: Mya ElleTerego

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Time goes by, it seems so long
But it was only days ago when things were going wrong
What happened to the love, to the love we knew
The days we shared were so short and so few
And baby I miss you
Baby I miss you
Remember when it didn't rain
Will I ever see the sun again
And baby I miss you
Baby I miss you
And I only wish that I could share your love again
I thought about leaving for some new place
Somewhere where I, I don't have to see your face
'Cause seeing your face only brings me out in tears
Thinking of the love I've wasted all through the years

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Originally by: SFX Bladerunner

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as opposed to 'the presidents' american english?.. how do you pronounce nuclear again?

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Originally by: CCP Shadow

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The name XenosisReaper will live on forever

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Originally by: guska Cryotank

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Originally by: Corvus Dove

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I'd love to log in and find out the real story. Unfortunately, I can't even log in, so seeing my nose is necessary before seeing what is in front of it .

Oh well, I guess I'll just show up in about a week and adapt to whatever politics are going on in the systems at the time.

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I would suggest, jumping on EVE Gate, and EVEMailing your CEO or Alliance Exec/Diplo and getting the info from them. Better to know what you're logging into than getting a shock when you do.

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Originally by: Corvus Dove

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So who, precisely, holds SP now, particularly 1v and 4-c?

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Originally by: aratillion

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Originally by: Corvus Dove

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So who, precisely, holds SP now, particularly 1v and 4-c?

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http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Scalding_Pass

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Originally by: Corvus Dove

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Originally by: aratillion

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Originally by: Corvus Dove

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So who, precisely, holds SP now, particularly 1v and 4-c?

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http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Scalding_Pass

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This furthers my confusion, since it's Primary.

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Originally by: Corvus Dove

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Originally by: aratillion

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Originally by: Corvus Dove

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So who, precisely, holds SP now, particularly 1v and 4-c?

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http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Scalding_Pass

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This furthers my confusion, since it's Primary.

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Originally by: Yahuang Doujiao

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Originally by: Corvus Dove

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Originally by: aratillion

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Originally by: Corvus Dove

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So who, precisely, holds SP now, particularly 1v and 4-c?

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http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Scalding_Pass

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This furthers my confusion, since it's Primary.

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Corvus, if you look at the sovereignty information, you can see the stations are owned by HTA Station Management, an HTA alt corp. That corp will soon leave Primary, rejoin HTA, transfer ownership to the executor corp, then Primary will unanchor their TCU and HTA will anchor their own and ta da, HTA will have station systems without having to go through 2 RF timers.

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Originally by: CCP Shadow

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The name XenosisReaper will live on forever

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Originally by: Dental Floss

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First my corp narrowly missed joining IRC and being held hostage by Burn Eden. and now we left Primary. after the Esoteria debacle and escaped this cluster****. We here at 1st Cav are becoming professional bullet dodgers.

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Originally by: XenosisReaper

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Except we won't, if you had read the other thread.

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Originally by: Corvus Dove

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So who, precisely, holds SP now, particularly 1v and 4-c?

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Originally by: Cupdeez

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1. The have no recruiting standards

Anyone who fights or pvps in the area knows who most gangs were comprised of.

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Originally by: Cupdeez

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So yeah COW has been talking about removing Primay for the last 6 months on our forums.

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Originally by: Cupdeez

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1. The have no recruiting standards (everyone gets in 50 corp and only 1800 member)

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Originally by: Cupdeez

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2. They recruited Corps COW/GC kicked for not being an active PVP Corp

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Originally by: Cupdeez

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3. Our allies like Atlas didn't trust them

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Originally by: Cupdeez

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4. They rarely came on COW/GC CTA's that both alliances had heavy participation.

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Originally by: Cupdeez

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5. When Caps were involved we didn't tell Primary because well they recruited anyone and we didn't want to lose our Cap fleet because of them.

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Originally by: Cupdeez

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6. We killed a few of their marco rat hunters ratting in our space and they openly admitted they forgot to turn their marco (pretty funny)

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Originally by: Cupdeez

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Anyone who fights or pvps in the area knows who most gangs were comprised of.

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Originally by: Cupdeez

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Stats below for people who like to think Primary was a PVP entity.

Primary

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Originally by: Cupdeez

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Gents Club

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Quote:

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Originally by: Cupdeez6. We killed a few of their marco rat hunters ratting in our space and they openly admitted they forgot to turn their marco (pretty funny)

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Originally by: Hisara

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Originally by: Mya ElleTerego

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Time goes by, it seems so long
But it was only days ago when things were going wrong
What happened to the love, to the love we knew
The days we shared were so short and so few
And baby I miss you
Baby I miss you
Remember when it didn't rain
Will I ever see the sun again
And baby I miss you
Baby I miss you
And I only wish that I could share your love again
I thought about leaving for some new place
Somewhere where I, I don't have to see your face
'Cause seeing your face only brings me out in tears
Thinking of the love I've wasted all through the years

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Great not only a mouthy selfish elephant p***s but poetic as well? See I knew all along there was something you were hiding
Don't worry once we cut that elephant p***s in half we'll make you a real boy again

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Originally by: Corvus Dove

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In regards to my corp's behavior in the form of PvP with Primary.;

We were a small corp, new to the region even when all of this went down. In the time period I was there personally, at least half of our corp was involved in roaming gangs and HD regularly, and I myself participated in regional PvP roams and fleets every night I was logged in (usually as a tackler), save one. In fact, when a Primary. ratting ship was sillily ratting in 1v, which has all of two belts and three stargates, came under attack, I undocked in an interceptor and threw myself at the attacker to buy the ratting ship time to escape. Of course, I got chewed apart against the HAC that was fitted for hunting, but it beat us losing a way-too-much-ISK-to-waste PvE-fit BS.

I only point this out because I think it's a bit unfair to lump the corps that Primary. left hanging out to dry in SP with Primary.'s behavior itself, for the same reason that Primary. is so anxious to treat us as "not really Primary." and leave us behind as they make off across space with 32 Billion ISK. Our behavior may not have matched their behavior, but I think in this particular case that might not necessarily be a bad thing.

As I sit in station in EVE, a station I will likely only be able to undock from and never dock again, unable to log in properly while I wait for my laptop, my thoughts go to this. Personally, I'd rather my reputation in combat be put in question (which can be rectified in about 20 minutes with a torrent of hot fury) than to be considered an untrustworthy ally that sells out its members and space, then makes off with the money when the deal goes sour (which will never be forgotten).

Am I bitter that my assets will likely be stuck out in 4-C and 1v-, and that I'll have to sell several month's worth of PLEX's to get back on my feet completely, rather than have what I need on hand to earn it the old fashioned way? Hell yes I am. But eventually, as EVE goes, I can rest assured that something will happen that allows me to get to them eventually.

As for the usefulness of the component corps left behind, considering us rejects that just didn't participate is bunk. The fact is, our participation in fleet ops, etc. had absolutely nothing with why we were left behind. It just makes a good excuse for why someone would leave 12-1500 pilots in a hotzone while the remaining original members have less people among whom they divide the spoils.

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Originally by: Cupdeez

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Hmm....

So yeah COW has been talking about removing Primay for the last 6 months on our forums.

Reasons:
1. The have no recruiting standards (everyone gets in 50 corp and only 1800 member)
2. They recruited Corps COW/GC kicked for not being an active PVP Corp
3. Our allies like Atlas didn't trust them
4. They rarely came on COW/GC CTA's that both alliances had heavy participation.
5. When Caps were involved we didn't tell Primary because well they recruited anyone and we didn't want to lose our Cap fleet because of them.
6. We killed a few of their marco rat hunters ratting in our space and they openly admitted they forgot to turn their marco (pretty funny)

Anyone who fights or pvps in the area knows who most gangs were comprised of.

Stats below for people who like to think Primary was a PVP entity.

Primary

Gents Club

COW

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Originally by: Guru

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I think the people who feel like this seem to be offended and hurt in some way. We as an alliance, did nothing but make a deal and push mergers tbh. These sorts of deals and mergers are made all the time.. its just not publicized as much as this one. :) There is no shame in our behavior and I have nothing to regret about it. The only surprise we had in all of this was HTA not being able to do what they were told they can do. All the other emo-raging and issues were to be expected. We did our part, you corp did your part, and now we are on our way's, maybe separately, but to new ventures. I wont be repetitive, just encourage you to talk to people in the know to find out the info and truth.

One thing I think that is important for me to say, and maybe I should have said this earlier. Corps were chosen based on a specific formula. It was a mixture of length in the alliance, combined with killboard activity vs. member count, and size. As we reached the limit of corps/pilots we could bring with us there were plenty of corps who were great corps with good activity that we just couldn't invite along. A good portion of the corps who are not coming are great pvp'ers. Some of them are great industry corps. It was not an easy decision for any of us as we got towards our limit. I wish you guys luck and any alliance that has you guys in the future will be a better alliance because of it.

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Originally by: Corvus Dove

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Edited by: Corvus Dove on 02/07/2010 16:00:06

Alright, fair enough, and a very straightforward response. Also, it's a nice sidestep from the emotional rollercoaster end of things that came barreling out of this being a forum, and I feel a good bit less like I've had an Iteron shoved up my EVE-gate. The lack of a heads-up, though, really left some of us bent over a barrel; me possibly worst of all, since I can't log in to just up and go.

That said, if I can't dock or safely undock from 1v or 4-c to get my things, I'm still screwed. If HTA had been able to keep the region as per the original deal, there would be no problem, but that deal soured and left all of the Primary. component corps left behind in a lurch, between losing assets and losing members. Quite possibly me (losing assets), most of all, for the aforementioned reasons. What can be done to rectify this, since those component corps went from safe and comfortable, to safe and tradable, to in the line of fire between politically disenchanted Alliances?

I'm sure since you've reasonably argued the purpose and method behind the actions that took place, that the middlemen-turned-victims in this mess should have some leeway. 48 hours to pack up and split is great when everyone involved logs in nightly and constantly, but anyone on vacation this week, or who might be suffering my technological troubles, is hosed.

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Originally by: Ash Ock

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Man I feel your pain and you have posted about it a couple of times now but dude stop whining. Get yourself a box of tissue and a romance novel and do what you always do and curl up on your couch with your ShamWoW and weep yourself to sleep.

Have a nice day.

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Originally by: HomeGrownBudZ

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I know i'm a 'nobody'

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Originally by: HomeGrownBudZ

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Mukk and Faffy seem to hold 90% of GC's PvP ability

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Originally by: HomeGrownBudZ

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While Mya seems to fight his battles on CAOD while shipspinning, So don't sweat anything he says, he's on a power trip.

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Originally by: Mr Disturbed

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Edited by: Mr Disturbed on 03/07/2010 12:34:38
Hmm **** happens, just join to whatever alliance you like, form the fronts and start ****ing shooting each-other please

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Originally by: Mr Disturbed

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Edited by: Mr Disturbed on 03/07/2010 12:34:38
Hmm **** happens, just join to whatever alliance you like, form the fronts and start ****ing shooting each-other please Who care about politics anyways.

btw: there is solution if you dislike what Guru did, just make him KOS Killing always makes things more simple. Fly unsafe o7

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Originally by: Xornicon Altair

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Rumor has it that CoW is evacing from Scalding Pass and may be dissolving. I love the divine irony of this in their statements of Primary's uselessness.

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Originally by: CrazyDeathz

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The story dosnt end here ladies. Lots of tasty tears are incomming. :)

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Originally by: NL1GHT3D

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Originally by: CrazyDeathz

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The story dosnt end here ladies. Lots of tasty tears are incomming. :)

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oh, i thought you guys would be mature enough to not cry?

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Originally by: CrazyDeathz

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...trolls will be happy

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Originally by: Mr Disturbed

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Edited by: Mr Disturbed on 05/07/2010 16:20:15

Originally by: CrazyDeathz

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...trolls will be happy

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Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale

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Mr Blue > 07:47:16 Notify The station ROMANIA Renegades HQ has been captured by ElitistOps corporation!

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Originally by: Elendar

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Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale

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Mr Blue > 07:47:16 Notify The station ROMANIA Renegades HQ has been captured by ElitistOps corporation!

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What have you done! :facepalm:

Also why are our forums down?

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Originally by: "Mr blue"

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Battleupdate.
Short version: Captain Grath lead us onward to victory jet again. 4-c station falled into PL hands

background:
We suspected that Atlas combined with HTA and possible AAA was gonna try kill our pos in TPP that came out of RF during US tz. Possible massive supercapital fleet since Atlas had used quit a nice cap fleet the day before.

With a small but stiff and battlescared praetorian guard of 12 guardians and prob what was 20-30 diff t2 armor hacs with their rear guard covered by goons, Captain Grath formed a less glourius than usually Fist of **** to defend the pos without much hope of keeping it. Order was to defend it as long as possible, make it as expesive as possible for the attacker, but dont go stupid/sucide about it. The POS was deemed expendable.

Then Shamis in a Deadspace fitted Damnation decided that he was gonna go afk giving armor bonuses for the rest of the evening. "dont let me die" was his last order before running to drive bike or whatnot, orbiting the tower. The Dice was trown, it was either die trying or save the POS. We could not let Shamis die.

A small AAA(Outbreak gang) passed through, and we killed some odd ratters inc a Chimera that seemed it suitable to run around with PL in local/area.
To our suprice neither Atlas nor HTA seemed to form a fleet , and we repped our guns up without meeting any resistance. Incapped cynojammer and JB with our armor hac gang without meeting any resistance besides 1-2 singel bomb attempts and a drake jumping through JB while we was killing it, only to get wake up in a new clone not long after,

We called in capitals and got our pos repped up, then Shadoo suddenly popped his head in and went "mysterical" on coms, and not soon later his leviant jumped in and we got a quick message to jump our armor hac gang through.
Korinn (Cry havoc) was scouting in local and with a slightly sad tone went "If only I had had a active alliance by now" drooling by the look of the titan.
Til our grunts Suprice a what I think was a aprox 20 man mixed gang of merry HTA ppl with a handfull caps was trying to Station swap in 4-C(old owner was primary.), we killed a few before the rest docked, inc a chimera that must have been in struckture. Station was in aprox 60% struck. We found ourself in a odd situation, as we rly didnt want any sov nor station, but as real gentlemen we cant leave someones work halffinished, so we decided to do em a favor and finish it for em. So we not-so-swiftly took the station in the honour of missing Admiral Ray Butts without meeting any resistance. Some arguing about if Goons should get it or not occured, but with only 1 goon zealot as primary dmg dealer it was deemed to be too painfull to wait for him to get the final blow.
07:47:16 Notify The station ROMANIA Renegades HQ has been captured by ElitistOps corporation!

Apprently HTA had gotten a local talk ban, so any local talk communication was deemed impossible despite our persistent attempts. We therefor found ourself stuck with a station, and not too sure what to do with it.
We therefor sended a small but honourable group of the best problem solvers PL could offer on short notice, to try to find a peacefull solution with HTA through their TS3, which failed misserable as the whole PL diplomatic envoy got perma-banned before we could even present our chase properly. So much for their open diplomatic channels.

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Originally by: HomeGrownBudZ

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I know i'm a 'nobody' but i felt the need to add to this already emo-tastic thread.

My Corp was a member of GC not too long ago. We were brought in to be carebears when GC first moved into SP, but we like to shoot **** too. At the time, it appeared to me that Primary was much more active PvP-wise in the area. I would often fly a few jumps over, and hop in a Primary gang that was already busy fighting nuets/reds roaming into thier space. I hardly remember CTA's or HD's being called, everyone would simply dock-up or run when DARKSIDE came rolling through. I always thought Primary where good folks (personality wise) and it felt like GC where riding on CoW/Atlas's collective coattails.

CoW might be able to stand on thier own, but i think GC would have done much better staying and growing with Primary. Mya likes to talk about the great elephant pen15, when he was hardly ever seen on the field. Mukk and Faffy seem to hold 90% of GC's PvP ability (much respect to those 2, Mukk is still my fav FC evaaa) While Mya seems to fight his battles on CAOD while shipspinning, So don't sweat anything he says, he's on a power trip. Never really got to know CoW that well so i cant say too much for those guys, character wise.

GL Primary, you guys will be just fine ( I hope) look forward to watching the KB's and seeing you roll GC (primary Mukk = Win)

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Originally by: Ste Weiss

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Originally by: HomeGrownBudZ

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I know i'm a 'nobody' but i felt the need to add to this already emo-tastic thread.

My Corp was a member of GC not too long ago. We were brought in to be carebears when GC first moved into SP, but we like to shoot **** too. At the time, it appeared to me that Primary was much more active PvP-wise in the area. I would often fly a few jumps over, and hop in a Primary gang that was already busy fighting nuets/reds roaming into thier space. I hardly remember CTA's or HD's being called, everyone would simply dock-up or run when DARKSIDE came rolling through. I always thought Primary where good folks (personality wise) and it felt like GC where riding on CoW/Atlas's collective coattails.

CoW might be able to stand on thier own, but i think GC would have done much better staying and growing with Primary. Mya likes to talk about the great elephant pen15, when he was hardly ever seen on the field. Mukk and Faffy seem to hold 90% of GC's PvP ability (much respect to those 2, Mukk is still my fav FC evaaa) While Mya seems to fight his battles on CAOD while shipspinning, So don't sweat anything he says, he's on a power trip. Never really got to know CoW that well so i cant say too much for those guys, character wise.

GL Primary, you guys will be just fine ( I hope) look forward to watching the KB's and seeing you roll GC (primary Mukk = Win)

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I think you mean we were told to DOCK when Darkside were in and around GC space, until a FC had some balls to FC against them and face MYA's "wrath" if we lost.

I remember the huge fight in KZF when primary where asking to get on coms with us so they could work with us but where told that GC where too busy to sort dual coms, so Primary did what they could and acted on their own ending up loosing their fleet as we were told to get off field and get safe, we were always told that Primary were the renters and they had to learn for themselves.

Now GC is ran by Mukk who is very respectable at PVP and GC so hopefully he can turn GC into something better than it was a few months back.

Good Luck Primary in whatever you guys do.

Ste

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Originally by: Corvus Dove

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Judging from EVE-Gate, I *think* HTA has 4-c. If so, in theory it shouldn't matter for diddly that I'm still based in SP.

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Originally by: Mya ElleTerego

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Ah check it out, another visit from the, "Bitter emo ***got's that got thrown out club". Hey hows it going? Yea sorry about those guristas rats, I know angels were easier to farm.

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Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale

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Mr Blue > 07:47:16 Notify The station ROMANIA Renegades HQ has been captured by ElitistOps corporation!

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Originally by: Mya ElleTerego

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Ah check it out, another visit from the, "Bitter emo ***got's that got thrown out club". Hey hows it going? Yea sorry about those guristas rats, I know angels were easier to farm.

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Originally by: xHUN73R

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Originally by: Corvus Dove

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Judging from EVE-Gate, I *think* HTA has 4-c. If so, in theory it shouldn't matter for diddly that I'm still based in SP.

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Well... no.

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Originally by: Xornicon Altair

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"His" "allies" are evaccing and/or dissolving.

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Originally by: Achem

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Originally by: Xornicon Altair

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"His" "allies" are evaccing and/or dissolving.

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Man you ain't kiddin. CoW is moving to GW like there's a sale on tact at e02 station or something. This should be interesting :)

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Originally by: bteat

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GC is alive and making love to their mothers

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Originally by: bteat

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GC is alive and still pvping.

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Originally by: PIMPerian

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Originally by: bteat

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GC is alive and still pvping.

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Stop trollin'

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Originally by: Lt Al3x3i

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Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale

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Mr Blue > 07:47:16 Notify The station ROMANIA Renegades HQ has been captured by ElitistOps corporation!

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Noooooooooo

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Originally by: Xornicon Altair

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Originally by: Mya ElleTerego

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Ah check it out, another visit from the, "Bitter emo ***got's that got thrown out club". Hey hows it going? Yea sorry about those guristas rats, I know angels were easier to farm.

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"His" region is crumbling around him. "His" "allies" are evaccing and/or dissolving. His "Alliance" can't figure out how to undock in the face of a few campers. And yet, he still can't figure out how to be civil or admit that he might have been wrong about Primary's usefulness.

You, my former friend, will go down in my own personal history as The Biggest Looser. I hope you enjoy your position.

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Originally by: F'nog

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Originally by: Stareatthesun

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No no no ... Polaris is where CCP keeps the death star that will destroy eve when the servers shut down.

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Thankfully I've got Interceptors trained to V. S

Originally by: Megan Maynard

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So the worst alliance in eve

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Originally by: Xornicon Altair

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Originally by: Megan Maynard

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So the worst alliance in eve

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If every knob with a keyboard were to be believed, every alliance in EVE would be the worst alliance in EVE.

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