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Pollictor	Posted - 2010.06.30 17:52:00 - [1] So I'm coming up on buying my first battlecruiser, and I am torn between a Drake and a Ferox. Now I am concentrating on PvE until I learn how to make money, and of course I have heard that the Drakes are PvE gods. However... 1. Drakes are freaking ugly. 2. They cost twice as much ISK. So question is, can I get a good PvE setup with a Ferox so I can save some ISK? Or should I just get a Drake? Suggestions of fittings would be welcome. Also your thoughts of them in PvP would help as well. (I would be flying with a small fleet). Thanks!
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.06.30 17:53:00 - [2] Drake.
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt	Posted - 2010.06.30 17:58:00 - [3] For PVP there are a couple passable fits for a Ferox. For PVE there are not.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.06.30 18:06:00 - [4] Edited by: Malcanis on 30/06/2010 18:06:33 The drake is so much better for PvE that it's just not funny. The Ferox has the following uses: -Cheap platform for mining ganglink/belt tank -PvP ship for when you want to humiliate someone by killing them in a lolship -Cheapish Baitship that isn't FoTM like the Maller. I think I once heard someone say that it's good for Gas Mining, but to me it seems like the Rokh would be better. I freely confess my near total ignorance of the subject, though. So let's give it the benefit of the doubt and add: -Gas mining. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Duchess Starbuckington	Posted - 2010.06.30 18:08:00 - [5] Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 30/06/2010 18:08:05 Quote: 2. They cost twice as much ISK. But for a PVE ship, chances are they'll make you twice as much isk. Quote: The drake is so much better for PvE that it's just not funny. Also this ^ _________________________________ Originally by: Dodgy Past Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.
Pollictor	Posted - 2010.06.30 18:16:00 - [6] Can the Drake be an ok PvP ship as well?
Serend Gallente Blue Republic	Posted - 2010.06.30 18:24:00 - [7] Without a doubt. Better than merely OK.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Reckoning.	Posted - 2010.06.30 18:25:00 - [8] er...This is a very, very simple question and I can't believe it hasn't been mentioned yet Are you more heavily focused on guns/do you want to fly gunboats? Fly a Ferox. Do you prefer to use missiles/already have a bunch of SP in missiles? Fly a Drake.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.30 18:26:00 - [9] Originally by: Pollictor Can the Drake be an ok PvP ship as well? Yes. As long as you keep in your mind that lowslots are for BCUs and nothing elseà àor, well, maybe some other things, but certainly not any shield mods. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Meeko Atari	Posted - 2010.06.30 18:30:00 - [10] Originally by: Pollictor Can the Drake be an ok PvP ship as well? Tied for first place as far as BC's go. When setup and used right it is a real beast

Xiozor Tyrans d'Or Umbrella Chemical Inc	Posted - 2010.06.30 19:08:00 - [11] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Pollictor Can the Drake be an ok PvP ship as well? Yes. As long as you keep in your mind that lowslots are for BCUs and nothing elseà àor, well, maybe some other things, but certainly not any shield mods. Missiles? On MY Blasterboat? ----------------------------------------------- Mr.Kippling just launched a nuclear holocaust at third world countries! ... But he does make exceedingly good cakes.
LordThyGod	Posted - 2010.06.30 19:09:00 - [12] it all depends on if you wanna fly a raven or a rokh as your battleship. Yes the the drake is a better bc, but not if all your sp is in guns. The ferox gets it done, and looks sweet doing it, and the rokh can be a great mission runner, dont let anyone else tell you otherwise
Aethras Perkone	Posted - 2010.06.30 19:12:00 - [13] For caldari chars that choosed gunnery instead of missiles, the ferox is great.
Seith Silverstein Something Rotten	Posted - 2010.06.30 19:19:00 - [14] But a Heavy Missile Drake with a couple Nanofibers in the lows is just too sweet a lone-wolf lowsec PvP ship to pass up: [Drake, PvP] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Stasis Webifier II Invulnerability Field II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Salvager I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Warrior II x5 DPS: 477 / 544 with heat EHP: 63,896 Speed: 1228 / 1739 with heat Add the agility of a cruiser plus keeping the Web overheated at all times to slow down the few people who start to catch up to you, and this boat can take people down. Fits with a 1% PG implant, or you can drop one of the LSEs to Meta 4.
Aethras Perkone	Posted - 2010.06.30 19:31:00 - [15] forgot to add a reply. I don't have EFT here but I used to use : 5 250mm rails (meta or t2) 10mn ab, 2-3 hardeners specific, medium shield booster, 2-3 mfs, PDs as needed. CCC rigs I think.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.30 19:34:00 - [16] Originally by: Xiozor Missiles? On MY Blasterboat? Since it has slots for a massive 0 blastersà yes. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Hung Wang	Posted - 2010.06.30 19:44:00 - [17] They call it the 14 inch ***** for a reason
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions	Posted - 2010.06.30 19:50:00 - [18] Edited by: Zhilia Mann on 30/06/2010 19:51:40 Very fast EVE history lesson: before Drakes existed -- and for that matter before rigs existed -- lots of people used missile-fit Feroxen for PvE. Yes, rails sucked that much even back then. Originally by: Pollictor 1. Drakes are freaking ugly. Yes. They are. Originally by: Pollictor 2. They cost twice as much ISK. Unfortunately, that's really not the case. The standard take is that mission ships are a low- to no-risk asset that can be liquidated at any time without loss. While that's a little silly -- you can lose a ship to missions -- it's not entirely unrealistic -- you very rarely lose a ship to missions. So the buy-in cost of a mission ship is pretty much a non-issue. Investment payback time is actually more important. And the Drake wins that one hands down. Originally by: Pollictor So question is, can I get a good PvE setup with a Ferox so I can save some ISK? Or should I just get a Drake? In case it wasn't implicit above, get a Drake. Originally by: Pollictor Suggestions of fittings would be welcome. [Drake, newb mission drake] Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Cross-linked Bolt Array I Cross-linked Bolt Array I Large Supplemental Barrier Emitter I Large Supplemental Barrier Emitter I Supplemental Screen Generator I Non-Inertial Ballistic Screen Augmentation I Non-Inertial Ballistic Screen Augmentation I Ditrigonal Thermal Barrier Crystallization I Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Bay I, Scourge Heavy Missile Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Bay I, Scourge Heavy Missile Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Bay I, Scourge Heavy Missile Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Bay I, Scourge Heavy Missile Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Bay I, Scourge Heavy Missile Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Bay I, Scourge Heavy Missile Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Bay I, Scourge Heavy Missile [empty high slot] Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Hobgoblin II x5 Upgrade towards something along these lines: [Drake, better mishin drake] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Shield Power Relay II Power Diagnostic System II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 10MN Afterburner II Ballistic Deflection Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile [empty high slot] Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Hobgoblin II x5 Originally by: Pollictor Also your thoughts of them in PvP would help as well. (I would be flying with a small fleet). Thanks! Drakes do fine. HAM fits have been in vogue for the past few years but seem to have recently been eclipsed by HM fits. In either case, you need pretty good fitting skills to make it work. Feroxen tend to be niche ships that act as cheap sniper HACs or wtf long-range blaster boats. Edit: In case it wasn't obvious, both of the above fits are Gurista/Serpentis/EOM mission fits. Swap hardeners accordingly.
Pollictor	Posted - 2010.06.30 20:18:00 - [19] I appreciate the help guys, thank you. I actually don't have the money for a Drake at this point, I was just hoping that people would be giving me the secret for "herez how to get uber in a crappy ship." So to sum up, someone please give me 15 million ISK. Just kidding obviously...unless you really want to. Thanks again!
Stuart Price Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2010.06.30 23:48:00 - [20] Originally by: Pollictor ...I was just hoping that people would be giving me the secret for "herez how to get uber in a crappy ship."... For the Ferox? Pulse lasers. Yes. Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate'

Veengere	Posted - 2010.07.01 00:31:00 - [21] Edited by: Veengere on 01/07/2010 00:32:02 For PvE its best to just use a drake. Even with sub par missile skills you are still better off in it. Ferox actually has some decent use in PvP. I enjoy using it quite a bit. And for good reason it has the drakes tank but can fit turrets. The Optimal bonus to hybrids is not that useful so you can use Lasers or ACs instead which will prob get you much more damage. If you are using ACs you can slap in a Neut or Shield transfer since you wont be using cap for much else. Or with lasers a NOS to keep them running longer. It has Drakes shield tank but with turret hard points and a utility high.
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.07.01 01:31:00 - [22] If you fly Caldari and focused on guns not missiles - you made a mistake(unless youre an advanced player going for niche PVP builds.) Wherever you went - Here you are.
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.07.01 08:26:00 - [23] Originally by: Pollictor I was just hoping that people would be giving me the secret for "herez how to get uber in a crappy ship." Whatever you fit on the ferox, it will still be worse ship than drake /its same for all tier 1 and tier 2 battlecruisers tbh/, both for pvp and pve. Also difference in pve will be HUGE.
Pascal Almaric Perkone	Posted - 2010.07.01 08:51:00 - [24] Only use the Ferox if you really want to train railguns and not missles. And if you do, get Gallente Cruiser III and fly a Brutix instead. The DPS difference is persuasive, and a Brutix shield tanks very nicely if your skills are that way. Once you meet the prerequisites, it depends on your battlecruiser skill rather than a racial skill. If you're really interested in PvP in the long term, do yourself a favour and go for a Harbinger (lasers) or Hurricane (projectiles). Railguns are poor. Drakes are kings of PvE and excellent in most PvP situations, but if you end up in a PvP corp then whenever they run an armour logistics gang you'll be a sad panda. Nothing sucks like "I can't go on this gang because I don't fly a suitable ship". I originally trained Drakes for their PvE ability and they worked great, and they've been excellent in most PvP, but in hindsight I wish I'd gone for a projectile/laser ship that's equally happy with shields or armour tank.
King Rothgar Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2010.07.01 11:54:00 - [25] I like the ferox better but I use it in pvp exclusively. For pve, I advise the drake as it is better in that role. The drake will have more damage at greater range than the ferox can. The only reason to do a ferox for pve is if you plan on going to a rokh next instead of a raven. If that is the case then you will want a to setup a railgun ferox and focus on gunnery skills. It will do less damage than a drake and have shorter range, but it should be able to complete lvl3 missions decently enough. For pvp, the ferox is great. Not so much because of it's stellar damage (it doesn't have it) or it's uber tank (drake tanks better) but because it's under-estimated and cost effective. The drake is better, the harbinger is better, the myrmidon is better but they aren't that much better. My ferox has about 100k EHP and 450 dps with a scrambler, mwd and ganglink. It's pretty solid for the price. No good for pve though, with blasters it only shoots to about 10km, you want 30-40km range for lvl3 missions. You can get that with rails, but the 450 dps drops to about 250 when you refit with rails. Thus far you shall read, but no further; for this is my sig.
Battlecheese	Posted - 2010.07.01 12:32:00 - [26] Edited by: Battlecheese on 01/07/2010 12:34:46 Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 Whatever you fit on the ferox, it will still be worse ship than drake /its same for all tier 1 and tier 2 battlecruisers tbh/, both for pvp and pve. Also difference in pve will be HUGE. This is piffle. The only ship which is better as a long-range inty popper is the eagle and vulture. And, as observed, you are rarely primary. Due to the tight power grid you will need to train for ages to get a decent fit however. Edit: Handles lowsec and 0.0 lvl3s with ease - fit long or mid-range to your taste. Active tank, passive tank is for wusses and drakes.
Zeta Zhul Caldari	Posted - 2010.07.01 13:04:00 - [27] Originally by: Pollictor Can the Drake be an ok PvP ship as well? The annual tournament has just ended where drakes were one of the most popular ships ... and you're asking this?? ----- this signature line intentionally left blank.
Aggelos Theristes	Posted - 2010.07.01 13:23:00 - [28] Originally by: Zeta Zhul Originally by: Pollictor Can the Drake be an ok PvP ship as well? The annual tournament has just ended where drakes were one of the most popular ships ... and you're asking this?? To be fair, most of them died.
Iguanoid Caldari The 5th Freedom Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.07.02 00:39:00 - [29] Ferox can be a very handy pvp ship, but you have to avoid rails / blasters / missiles. I fly this regularly:- [Ferox, Autocannons] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Scrambler II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Hobgoblin II x5 You have better range than blasters, can pick between em and exp damage and the autocannons are very easy on the fitting side of thigs, plus capless weapons, leaving more cap for mwd and more grid / cpu for tank. --
Thermopylaee	Posted - 2010.07.02 02:54:00 - [30] Originally by: Seith Silverstein Edited by: Seith Silverstein on 30/06/2010 19:32:24 But a Heavy Missile Drake with a couple Nanofibers in the lows is just too sweet a lone-wolf lowsec PvP ship to pass up: Is the agility boost really worth the 2 nanos in the lows? What does it buy you that another BCS or a DCII doesn't?



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