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Marara Kovacs	Posted - 2010.07.01 13:04:00 - [1] So, people place warp disrupotr bubbles BEHIND a stargate and you warp to the gate, the you are pulled straight through the gate tens of kilometers and end up in a bubble you wouldnt have actually traveled through?? Surely that is an exploit, surely the whole mechanic is that a bubble traps you if you warp INTO or THROUGH it, not get dragged to it when you come out of warp at a stargate?
Guillieme Lohran	Posted - 2010.07.01 13:15:00 - [2] Not an exploit, its just how they work.
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.07.01 13:17:00 - [3] I'm going to assume its not a troll... Its called a drag bubble. Easily avoidable by placing a book mark a few hundred klicks above or below a gate. No it is not an exploit, working as intended. I cannot heal stupid.
Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.07.01 13:17:00 - [4] Edited by: Abdiel Kavash on 01/07/2010 13:17:21 So, what did you lose to the drag bubble camp?
Corvus Dove Caldari Majestic. Honourable Templum of Alcedonia	Posted - 2010.07.01 13:18:00 - [5] Originally by: Marara Kovacs So, people place warp disrupotr bubbles BEHIND a stargate and you warp to the gate, the you are pulled straight through the gate tens of kilometers and end up in a bubble you wouldnt have actually traveled through?? Surely that is an exploit, surely the whole mechanic is that a bubble traps you if you warp INTO or THROUGH it, not get dragged to it when you come out of warp at a stargate? Technically, the presence of the warp bubble confuses your drive system and forces it to mishandle calculations to your destination. A "drag bubble" then appears to be the destination to your drive system, which accepts this as its target. Also remember that when you warp, you create a tunnel between you and your destination that is larger than the ship itself, and the tunnel is what is contacting the bubble in this situation. In Soviet Russia, tunnel warps you! ------------------------------------ I like long walks, a good book before bed, and human entrails served cold with a side order of scrap metal.
Marara Kovacs	Posted - 2010.07.01 13:18:00 - [6] I warped to 100km from the gate, teh bubbles were on the far side of the gate and they dragged me all that 140km or so into them? That can really not be right..
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.07.01 13:25:00 - [7] Originally by: Marara Kovacs I warped to 100km from the gate, teh bubbles were on the far side of the gate and they dragged me all that 140km or so into them? That can really not be right.. Working as intended. You need to warp to another celestial or object to get off the line between the two gates. Warp to a belt or planet. (belt probably, planets can have them too.) Then warp to the gate. You'll be off the path that the bubble drags you from and can then begin smacking the campers. I cannot heal stupid.
Marara Kovacs	Posted - 2010.07.01 13:29:00 - [8] A Large deployable self powered unit that prevents warping within its area of effect. The above is the description of a large mobile warp disruptor, it says nothing whatsoever about confusing the ships systems, or being able to drag you into its area of effect, which is 26.5 km across... Not 140km across, which it would have needed to be to cath me in its area of effect. So, this must have been discovered as an accidental effect of bubbles and nothing whatsoever to do with their intended effect. In effect there is absolutely no way to escape or avoid this trap unless you already have BMs loacted around the gate to warp to. I find this very difficult to believe is their intended use. All I lost was a t1 frig and pod, but the loss isnt important, its the ridiculous mechanic.
Amarr Supremacist	Posted - 2010.07.01 13:31:00 - [9] Edited by: Amarr Supremacist on 01/07/2010 13:31:09 Bla bla bla. How many people need to tell you this is working as intended before you shut up? ____________ HYDRA Reloaded - 2nd place at Alliance Tournament 8 EVE-Arena is awesome!
Marara Kovacs	Posted - 2010.07.01 13:34:00 - [10] Originally by: Aiwha Originally by: Marara Kovacs I warped to 100km from the gate, teh bubbles were on the far side of the gate and they dragged me all that 140km or so into them? That can really not be right.. Working as intended. You need to warp to another celestial or object to get off the line between the two gates. Warp to a belt or planet. (belt probably, planets can have them too.) Then warp to the gate. You'll be off the path that the bubble drags you from and can then begin smacking the campers. I did exactly that, got dragged into bubble anyway, lost the frigate, tehn warped my pod to a different celestial at a different angle, warped back in at 100 to get a good idea of wether the angle was right, and got dragged 140km into the bubble again...

Marara Kovacs	Posted - 2010.07.01 13:39:00 - [11] Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Edited by: Amarr Supremacist on 01/07/2010 13:31:09 Bla bla bla. How many people need to tell you this is working as intended before you shut up? How many timwes do you need to be told that internet spaceships are no substitute for actually touching a girl before you stfu or go somewhere that you might actually be useful, like the morgue.
Guillieme Lohran	Posted - 2010.07.01 13:41:00 - [12] Regardless of what you may believe, they work the way they are supposed to work. You can find lots of resources about how to deal with bubble camps.
fmercury Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.07.01 13:43:00 - [13] Originally by: Marara Kovacs Originally by: Aiwha Originally by: Marara Kovacs I warped to 100km from the gate, teh bubbles were on the far side of the gate and they dragged me all that 140km or so into them? That can really not be right.. Working as intended. You need to warp to another celestial or object to get off the line between the two gates. Warp to a belt or planet. (belt probably, planets can have them too.) Then warp to the gate. You'll be off the path that the bubble drags you from and can then begin smacking the campers. I did exactly that, got dragged into bubble anyway, lost the frigate, tehn warped my pod to a different celestial at a different angle, warped back in at 100 to get a good idea of wether the angle was right, and got dragged 140km into the bubble again... ive never had sex w/ a girl or touched 1 could u tell me what its like
Andrea Griffin	Posted - 2010.07.01 13:43:00 - [14] Though it may be working as intended, it is one of many reasons why warp bubbles are a lame mechanic.
Amarr Supremacist	Posted - 2010.07.01 13:53:00 - [15] Originally by: Andrea Griffin Though it may be working as intended, it is one of many reasons why warp bubbles are a lame mechanic. Oh BAWWWWWWWWW ____________ HYDRA Reloaded - 2nd place at Alliance Tournament 8 EVE-Arena is awesome!
Marara Kovacs	Posted - 2010.07.01 13:55:00 - [16] still left hand mousing while the right faps off over your 'female' toon there amarr fantasist?
Corvus Dove Caldari Majestic. Honourable Templum of Alcedonia	Posted - 2010.07.01 13:58:00 - [17] Originally by: Andrea Griffin Though it may be working as intended, it is one of many reasons why warp bubbles are a lame mechanic. Since I've been in EVE, the following were described as Lame Mechanics: Warp Scramblers Warp Disruptors Warp Bubbles Mines (these WERE lame...in that the one person who assembled enough to use them properly in a minefield had to take them down due to the lag it caused) Smartbombs Cloaking Devices Tracking Boosters of any kind Warp Stabs Interceptors Out of these, all but Warp Stabs and Mines are methods of surprise- or fast-attack (including the trap that smartbombs are used for). So the problem is clearly not that these devices function as intended, it's that people don't want to take the time to actually plan around being surprise-attacked. The word is "lame". ------------------------------------ I like long walks, a good book before bed, and human entrails served cold with a side order of scrap metal.
Flios Bror Amarr Doom Guard	Posted - 2010.07.01 14:10:00 - [18] Can someone link a dev-post in which the dev claims the mechanism actually works as it was designed to work? This drag-bubble-thing smells like it was sanctioned after it was discovered and no easy code-fix could be made. What is the advantage of using a bubble behind the gate instead of in-front? In both cases the bubble needs to be properly aligned with a celestial object. [None]
Marara Kovacs	Posted - 2010.07.01 14:11:00 - [19] I have no problem with any o f those items or the mechanics they are described as having. Get the description of mobile warp disruptors to say 'Will drag you into their area of effect' at any point in their descrition or attributes and thet will be fine too. But to have an area of effect listed at 26.5km, but get affected when 140km away, that is my problem.
Marara Kovacs	Posted - 2010.07.01 14:17:00 - [20] Originally by: Flios Bror Can someone link a dev-post in which the dev claims the mechanism actually works as it was designed to work? This drag-bubble-thing smells like it was sanctioned after it was discovered and no easy code-fix could be made. What is the advantage of using a bubble behind the gate instead of in-front? In both cases the bubble needs to be properly aligned with a celestial object. This. dev blog or it isnt true. I think its time that ccp manned up and admited some f these 'features' are in fact errors they dont/cant fix

DuKackBoon	Posted - 2010.07.01 14:18:00 - [21] The AoE is still 26.5km, but if your warp destination is in line with you and the bubble, you end up in the bubble. Simple as that, works as intended, RTFM, thank you, bye, Next!
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.07.01 14:20:00 - [22] Originally by: Marara Kovacs A Large deployable self powered unit that prevents warping within its area of effect. The above is the description of a large mobile warp disruptor, it says nothing whatsoever about confusing the ships systems, or being able to drag you into its area of effect, which is 26.5 km across... Not 140km across, which it would have needed to be to cath me in its area of effect. So, this must have been discovered as an accidental effect of bubbles and nothing whatsoever to do with their intended effect. In effect there is absolutely no way to escape or avoid this trap unless you already have BMs loacted around the gate to warp to. I find this very difficult to believe is their intended use. All I lost was a t1 frig and pod, but the loss isnt important, its the ridiculous mechanic. Jump in -> notice neutrals in local -> don not warp straight to outgate like a nubbin -> warp to planet well out of the line of warp -> warp to outgate laughing at the drag bubble you miss by miles. If you're going to move something valuable, or use the route regularly: buy Vigil -> fit T1 MWD + 3x T1 nano + Prototype cloak -> make 200km bookmarks off every gate on your route -> never die to drag bubbles ever again. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Corvus Dove Caldari Majestic. Honourable Templum of Alcedonia	Posted - 2010.07.01 14:25:00 - [23] Originally by: Marara Kovacs Originally by: Flios Bror Can someone link a dev-post in which the dev claims the mechanism actually works as it was designed to work? This drag-bubble-thing smells like it was sanctioned after it was discovered and no easy code-fix could be made. What is the advantage of using a bubble behind the gate instead of in-front? In both cases the bubble needs to be properly aligned with a celestial object. This. dev blog or it isnt true. I think its time that ccp manned up and admited some f these 'features' are in fact errors they dont/cant fix Being a programmer who has worked in virtual world development before, I can tell you that it really would be an easy "fix". In fact, determining whether or not something works mathematically versus just detecting if object 1 intersects with object 2 is about the easiest fix in all of game programming. The fact it drags is actually something that would be added, not subtracted. IIRC, the original ones on singularity before full deployment didn't drag. This would be something ADDED by CCP to make them more effective, as just throwing a bubble in the middle of a gate would accomplish next to nothing thanks to MWDs. Further, if you just put a bubble in front of a gate, then it would be rendered useless as people MWD'd above the bubble, then warped out. It would be impossible to use it as a way to trap inbound ships as well as outbound. So if we're going to speculate on CCP's intention of the Bubble's function, it would be more likely to say that not only did they create this functionality to make it an effective trap tool, but that they did so while acknowledging the further tax on the server's processors of doing the math in the first place was worth that functionality. ------------------------------------ I like long walks, a good book before bed, and human entrails served cold with a side order of scrap metal.
Stygian Knight Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.07.01 14:36:00 - [24] Or you may purchase the sphere v1.703 and forget about all your problems...
Marara Kovacs	Posted - 2010.07.01 14:36:00 - [25] We use bubbles all the time right on a gate and trap/fight and kill all manner of opponents, so that above statement is wrong. So, clearly while you may program etc, I dont think you have much experience of pvping with bubbles. If bubbles were as pointless as you say, they wouldnt be used. The drag mechanic is not in the description, nor is the idea they 'confuse' systems. So unless I get a link to some official linbe from a dev or in the descritpions somewhere, I am not accepting that this is a deliberate mechanic.
Corvus Dove Caldari Majestic. Honourable Templum of Alcedonia	Posted - 2010.07.01 14:45:00 - [26] Originally by: Marara Kovacs We use bubbles all the time right on a gate and trap/fight and kill all manner of opponents, so that above statement is wrong. So, clearly while you may program etc, I dont think you have much experience of pvping with bubbles. If bubbles were as pointless as you say, they wouldnt be used. The drag mechanic is not in the description, nor is the idea they 'confuse' systems. So unless I get a link to some official linbe from a dev or in the descritpions somewhere, I am not accepting that this is a deliberate mechanic. I was saying that your proposal that the bubbles shouldn't work this way would make them useless, not that they are. But if you're putting them inside the gate you're misusing them. Unless, of course, it's a supplemental bubble, as one might see in a roaming fleet. What I find laughable is that in the face of evidence (which you can find if you dig back to when bubbles came out, as well as what was presented here), you continue to persist disbelief. The fact is, whether you believe it or not, it's so, and was developed in such a manner intentionally; therefore, you're stuck with it, sucks to be you if you can't learn to evade such things like the rest of us have. ------------------------------------ I like long walks, a good book before bed, and human entrails served cold with a side order of scrap metal.
Marara Kovacs	Posted - 2010.07.01 14:57:00 - [27] I dont spend ages reading forums. So, dig it up for me, or the official line, and ill start believing. Oh and it sucks to be HTA righ tnow yeah? ripped of 32 billion, and evicted from what you thought would be a nice new home. And sucking very hard at pvp.. that must hurt alot.
Corvus Dove Caldari Majestic. Honourable Templum of Alcedonia	Posted - 2010.07.01 15:11:00 - [28] Originally by: Marara Kovacs I dont spend ages reading forums. So, dig it up for me, or the official line, and ill start believing. Oh and it sucks to be HTA righ tnow yeah? ripped of 32 billion, and evicted from what you thought would be a nice new home. And sucking very hard at pvp.. that must hurt alot. Come see me after the move, I'll happily give you a primer on PvP. But coming on here, whining about something, then asking others to do the research; I think not. ------------------------------------ I like long walks, a good book before bed, and human entrails served cold with a side order of scrap metal.
Marara Kovacs	Posted - 2010.07.01 15:21:00 - [29] Ill see you in space any time, but not on this indy alt, youll see me around scalding pass if the door doesnt hit you in the ass on the way out.
Amarr Supremacist	Posted - 2010.07.01 15:32:00 - [30] You sound so angry, my darling. Originally by: Corvus Dove Originally by: Marara Kovacs I dont spend ages reading forums. So, dig it up for me, or the official line, and ill start believing. Oh and it sucks to be HTA righ tnow yeah? ripped of 32 billion, and evicted from what you thought would be a nice new home. And sucking very hard at pvp.. that must hurt alot. Come see me after the move, I'll happily give you a primer on PvP. But coming on here, whining about something, then asking others to do the research; I think not. Corvus Dove Caldari Majestic. Honourable Templum of Alcedonia ____________ HYDRA Reloaded - 2nd place at Alliance Tournament 8 EVE-Arena is awesome!

Clytamnestra The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.07.01 15:36:00 - [31] Once there was a thread on the white wolf forum about how chainsaws didn't do enough damage, in that vampire RPG. Someone made the counter argument that a kitchen knife should out damage a chainsaw in a fight since damage in vampire factors in the unwieldiness of a weapon. The thread devolved into name calling, then took a turn for the worse when they started threatening each other with "you come here with a chainsaw, I'll bring a knife and we'll see who wins." I hope this thread goes there. tl;dr: /popcorn
XenosisReaper Rising Ashes Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.01 15:57:00 - [32] Originally by: Amarr Supremacist You sound so angry, my darling. Corvus Dove Caldari Majestic. Honourable Templum of Alcedonia He's actually one of the Primary guys we bought for 32 bill to clean our ships... fake edit: Nah not really, we're pro pvper's Intigo. Originally by: CCP Shadow The name XenosisReaper will live on forever
Corvus Dove Caldari Majestic. Honourable Templum of Alcedonia	Posted - 2010.07.01 16:09:00 - [33] Originally by: XenosisReaper Originally by: Amarr Supremacist You sound so angry, my darling. Corvus Dove Caldari Majestic. Honourable Templum of Alcedonia He's actually one of the Primary guys we bought for 32 bill to clean our ships... fake edit: Nah not really, we're pro pvper's Intigo. I'm rather good at cleaning ships of their contents and all sentient life. But as it stands, I can't polish anything.... Come on, Sager, hurry up and build! ------------------------------------ I like long walks, a good book before bed, and human entrails served cold with a side order of scrap metal.
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.07.01 16:56:00 - [34] Well this went downhill fast... Oh, and remember when I mentioned trolling? Yeah. It was. I cannot heal stupid.
Mal Lokrano Gallente The Executives IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.01 18:01:00 - [35] Pretty much smells like a troll. I have been caught by bubbles before. But over time I learned to suck it up, realized I had failed, and then adapt my approach to the gate again. Maybe the OP should too. ____________________________________________ When going to a party with wine, women, and song. Always ascertain the vintage of the first two. Don't bug me ingame about diplomats, I don't know wh
Guillame Herschel Gallente NME1	Posted - 2010.07.01 18:25:00 - [36] Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 01/07/2010 18:30:09 Originally by: Marara Kovacs A Large deployable self powered unit that prevents warping within its area of effect. The above is the description of a large mobile warp disruptor, it says nothing whatsoever about confusing the ships systems, or being able to drag you into its area of effect, which is 26.5 km across... Not 140km across, which it would have needed to be to cath me in its area of effect. Originally by: Marara Kovacs I dont think you have much experience of pvping with bubbles. Says the guy who got surprised by a drag bubble. -- Nah, that's just my Asperger's kickin' in.
Titus Io	Posted - 2010.07.01 18:40:00 - [37] I like how the OP has consistantly insinuated that the posters in this thread have no clue how to PvP and he didn't know how drag bubbles work despite attempting to travel through null. ****** if I ever saw one.
Goose99	Posted - 2010.07.01 19:18:00 - [38] Just fix the description, there we go.
Ontaku Oroa Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.07.01 19:20:00 - [39] Personally I prefer the old tactics where you would drop them halfway between the gates and trap people that way. Its essentially the same thing, only makes more sense than this artificial "functionality" which doesn't have anything to do with the actual ingame bubble description and role. I hardly ever see those (midway) bubbles anymore though.
ROXGenghis	Posted - 2010.07.01 19:53:00 - [40] Originally by: Ontaku Oroa I hardly ever see those (midway) bubbles anymore though. That's because they don't work any more. Also, lol@OP's Battleclinic record. This is not a cluefull person.

Ontaku Oroa Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.07.01 20:00:00 - [41] Yeah, well that's what is lame about the whole thing. Now, it makes sense that a warp disruptor bubble would drop you out of warp if you hit it. Plus there's all kinds of nifty stuff you can do with that, like making sure no one can warp off a gate easily by dropping bubbles in their exit vectors. All of which is more fun than the drag bubbles. And has more utility. Why did CCP remove that functionality again?
K'racker Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.07.01 22:54:00 - [42] op knows all about bubbles uses them all the time yet still went straight gtg. wouldn't matter if it's drag bubble, or bubble on gate, or in front of gate. got lazy, knew better, died, ran to forums to cry. check all that apply: [x] troll [x] butthurt [ ] drunk pilot [ ] midget [ ] lazy eye like paris hilton
Xianthar STK Scientific The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.07.02 02:16:00 - [43] Edited by: Xianthar on 02/07/2010 02:19:15 well they broke at one point. When you warped to a drag bubble you landed at the range you warped to the gate at. So say the bubble was 100km behind the gate and you warped at 20km to the gate you actually landed 20km from the bubble not in it. CCP considered it a bug and fixed it shortly after. Heres the whine thread about them not working as they always have, including a CCP quote saying its being fixed: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1083668 Thats should be all the 'proof' you need.


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