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Camios Minmatar Insurgent New Eden Tribe	Posted - 2010.07.01 20:30:00 - [1] Edited by: Camios on 01/07/2010 20:32:13 I started to think about how I would change the UI and add features to it, but then I was not sure about if those things can already be done ingame or not. As a noob ceptor/vaga pilot, I would like: 1. A way to control all the settings of the directional scanner by keyboard while I move my view with the mouse, for example using up/down arrow for distance limit and right/left arrows for the angle limit. 2. A way to set the speed of my ship using only the keyboard; 2.a A way to set the orbit and keep at range distances using only the keyboard while using the mouse for other things. 3. Maybe, a way to manovrate my ship with the keyboard while keeping the view as I like (or control the view with the mouse). 4. The right click menu should be activated by right click, but it should be possible to select all the different options and access all the submenus with keyboard shortcuts as we can to in any application. Can it be done now? 5. A working orbit command that let you set the plane and verse of your orbit, and maintain it over time (right now if you turn off/on the MWD or AB the orbit plane changes, and your ship loses speed more than it should). Is it possible to do all these things in game? I actually didn't find a way, if someone want to share his knowledge I would really appreciate, thanks. And if nothing of what I listed is possible, then I'll propose it.
Tribal Traditionalist	Posted - 2010.07.01 21:09:00 - [2] keyboard with built in track ball? http://www.allproducts.com/manufacture100/szsunson/product2.jpg
Obyrith	Posted - 2010.07.01 21:25:00 - [3] Buy a cat.
Amarr Supremacist	Posted - 2010.07.01 21:25:00 - [4] None of this is possible. ____________ HYDRA Reloaded - 2nd place at Alliance Tournament 8 EVE-Arena is awesome!
Mithfindel Aseyakone	Posted - 2010.07.01 21:33:00 - [5] Some of that might actually be possible with having programs that bind keys to do some things like wiggle the mouse to move the screen. Not much built in, though. Orbitting so that you can choose the place etc. are available only when orbitting manually, like a lot of what you're asking. As a note, as long as each action requires player action, it is not yet considered macroing, so with programmable functions you could do things like making the mouse double-click every other second if you flip a switch, and then use the mouse and/or a trackerball to control direction. You should also check the shortcuts tab on the Esc menu for anything that might be useful. But yes, lots of the stuff is not possible, unless there's some serious keyboard macros involved. Some of this might, however, be worthy of posting in the Features & Ideas forum. (I understand that the devs do read it, even if they don't post much.)
Starnap Concentrated Evil	Posted - 2010.07.02 11:13:00 - [6] Originally by: Camios Edited by: Camios on 01/07/2010 20:32:13 3. Maybe, a way to manovrate my ship with the keyboard while keeping the view as I like (or control the view with the mouse). For some reason this conjured up an image of you holding the keyboard up in two hands and making like a steering wheel with it
Mopsy Six	Posted - 2010.07.02 13:21:00 - [7] Just make sure you have your MWD, guns and point on the F keys. If you have problems with seeing things in space, then zoom really far out. You'll be able to see exactly where ev'rybody are. I don't see any problems with the interface. IMHO EVE PvP is purely about decision making and requires very little APM or mouse precision. TBH, your ideas are sucked out of the finger and don't really improve the interface in general, so no one is going to support them.
Seith Silverstein Something Rotten	Posted - 2010.07.02 13:39:00 - [8] Edited by: Seith Silverstein on 02/07/2010 13:39:56 People might call me an elitist prick but... In my experience, the faster you go, the less you want to use the pre-programmed buttons like "approach" or "orbit" or "keep at range". If you're hauling around in a battleship or even an armor-tanked BC, then just approaching and praying (or orbiting and praying) work just fine. In an interceptor, using the built-in orbit feature can be frustrating. For starters, you either have to determine what speed your ship can fly at with your skills and fitting while mainting the orbit distance you want, or you have to determine what distance to set the orbit button at to make it so you actually orbit out where you want. Approaching or Keep-at-rangeing will just get you killed as your transversal drops. Additionally, the orbit mechanic is slower to react than a human - trust me, I've cut inside of orbits of ships that go twice as fast as I do to put a scram/web on them. What all this is saying? (tl;dr): 1: As a scout, actually it would be nice for a button on the keyboard to hit "scan" for me, but since your mouse is already there to set the scan angle... meh. 2: Double-click in space and let your ship decide how fast it can make that maneuver happen. 3: The faster you go, the more you need to zoom out (I believe this was already stated) 4: This seems like it would actually take longer to select a warp destination than just click, move, move, click 5: Even if what I said above wasn't true about the built-in orbit mechanic, this is entirely too complicated. The issue you're running into is the one described above: The built in AI + Latency doesn't react fast enough to stop your ship from doing wonkey things when it's in a predefined "orbit". Click more.
Kikkoman6 Amarr Terrenus Arcanorum	Posted - 2010.07.02 18:34:00 - [9] I want to fly my Intercepter with a joystick!
Aralieus Amarr The Inf1dels En Garde	Posted - 2010.07.02 18:54:00 - [10] Originally by: Kikkoman6 I want to fly my Intercepter with a joystick! Fortune favors the bold!!! Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken-Tyler Durden
Mr Wess	Posted - 2010.07.02 21:18:00 - [11] More buttons could be usefull, but they might also take the fun out of the game, it will turn into who pushes more buttons faster wins kind of thing.
Obyrith	Posted - 2010.07.02 22:48:00 - [12] Originally by: Kikkoman6 I want to fly my Intercepter with a joystick! I want to fly my Battleship by changing the setting on one of those brass levers with various commands on it like "full steam ahead". The people in the engine room hear a bell ring, a man in a uniform relays the command and everyone knows they have to shovel more coal into the boilers. You know the kind of thing I'm talking about.
Direstorm	Posted - 2010.07.02 22:56:00 - [13] Originally by: Obyrith Originally by: Kikkoman6 I want to fly my Intercepter with a joystick! I want to fly my Battleship by changing the setting on one of those brass levers with various commands on it like "full steam ahead". The people in the engine room hear a bell ring, a man in a uniform relays the command and everyone knows they have to shovel more coal into the boilers. You know the kind of thing I'm talking about. This. Both of these :p
Mithfindel Aseyakone	Posted - 2010.07.13 12:11:00 - [14] Edited by: Mithfindel on 13/07/2010 12:11:11 Originally by: Obyrith I want to fly my Battleship by changing the setting on one of those brass levers with various commands on it like "full steam ahead". The people in the engine room hear a bell ring, a man in a uniform relays the command and everyone knows they have to shovel more coal into the boilers. You know the kind of thing I'm talking about. Minmatar High Technology(tm) ...and oh, the CSM summit minutes mentioned that more keyboard commands might be coming.
Devro Lynx	Posted - 2010.07.13 15:47:00 - [15] Part of the reason some of these things aren't already enabled is because it makes macroing easier. Not saying kb shortcuts wouldn't be incredibly useful, especially setting orbit and so on, but they would make macroing easier.
omgevenmoarfreemoniez	Posted - 2010.07.13 18:10:00 - [16] ummm EVE is fine as it is, if u dont like it dont play it, but quit whining
Abiectus	Posted - 2010.07.13 18:33:00 - [17] Edited by: Abiectus on 13/07/2010 18:33:42 It would definitely be nice if CCP could reduce the amount of mouse clicks required to play the game. Many of us who have been using mice since they became common on desktop computers are finding it increasingly difficult and painful to click quite so much.
Anamorph Morpheme	Posted - 2010.07.13 19:12:00 - [18] Originally by: Abiectus Edited by: Abiectus on 13/07/2010 18:33:42 It would definitely be nice if CCP could reduce the amount of mouse clicks required to play the game. Many of us who have been using mice since they became common on desktop computers are finding it increasingly difficult and painful to click quite so much. You might wanna get checked on arthritis, old man ;)
hgedsku	Posted - 2010.07.13 20:15:00 - [19] Originally by: omgevenmoarfreemoniez ummm EVE is fine as it is, if u dont like it dont play it, but quit whining Yes because making constructive suggestions to make this game better is bad and considered whining
Deerin	Posted - 2010.07.14 09:55:00 - [20] Originally by: Kikkoman6 I want to fly my Intercepter with a joystick! +1
Demolishar Internet Spaceship Raiders	Posted - 2010.07.14 13:53:00 - [21] Originally by: Deerin Originally by: Kikkoman6 I want to fly my Intercepter with a joystick! +1 A program exists that allows you to do this
Jejju	Posted - 2010.07.15 14:43:00 - [22] From the CSM minutes: "CCP gave a short presentation demonstrating changes to the UI that involve using keyboard shortcuts for ship actions (like warping) and PvP maneuvers. CCP stated that it is trying to move away from the endless right clicking." http://www.eveonline.com/council/transcripts/2010/CSM_CCP_Meetings_23-25_06_2010.pdf
Darrius Actionman	Posted - 2010.07.15 14:57:00 - [23] Don't those programs kind of go against the EULA, though?
Mithfindel Aseyakone	Posted - 2010.07.17 07:40:00 - [24] Modifying the client is against the EULA. Macroing things to happen automatically (without user interaction) is against the EULA. Having a program which (for example) wiggles your mouse when you crank your joystick is fully within the limits of the EULA.
Trovarion Gallente Spiritus Draconis	Posted - 2010.07.17 09:16:00 - [25] I don't like the idea of more keyboard shortcuts. Of course it all depends how and what they are implementing, but I seriously don't want to have to play wow-in-space when pvping... Custom made EVE Sigs and Graphics

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