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Fantus
Caldari FISKL GUARDS death from above..
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Posted - 2010.07.02 16:15:00 -
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Edited by: Fantus on 02/07/2010 16:26:17 Edited by: Fantus on 02/07/2010 16:16:22 Whilst looking at some very old communications in EVE history, it occurred to yours truly that there is no remaining neutral space for up an coming pilots to test their skills without concord intervention. All of zero dot space is now inhabited by alliances, some of it held firmly, a lot of it less so.
Early into my space faring career there were two regions known for their invitations to test water capsuleers wanting to test their hand at all things no sec without worry or bother.
I propose that some of the old hands in this mighty universe get together and finally make a reality the promise of a good training region and fix one of the broken promises never fulfilled: CFS Navy policy.
Years ago this current void was filled by two regions: Pure Blind, and JK-FIX (now Querious).
Sure there are great training corps like EVE-University welcoming pilots to find their way in a wayward universe, but there is nothing like a good sans concord region to train them in. And no, I am not suggesting that any of the training corps become involved in holding a region hostage for their own purposes.
What I am suggesting...
Form a new CFS Navy, with a new charter, and get it right this time.
Yes, the old CFS was full of hot heads, but even those hot heads found some training in the world of politics and turrets. No security space should be not just for the newest of players, but also for those leading fleets and those wielding a pen to write policy to guide future generations.
Those of us with this reoccurring dream have been sorely lacking a proving ground for a long time.
What we need is ideas on how to move forward with founding a corp/alliance willing to see true free space become a reality. I also need suggestion on which region should be bestowed this status. I'm sure no alliance would be willing to part ways with sovereign status of any system, let alone region, so their will be some bloodshed in forging this altruistic goal.
Comments, suggestions welcome. Guitarist for the Vicious Rotten Hell Bastards |
Sephiroth CloneIIV
Gallente Section 8 Industries Looney Toons.
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Posted - 2010.07.02 16:27:00 -
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1. Low sec
2. npc null sec (its pretty sparely inhabited whenever I go into it)
3. worm holes
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Rakessh
Caldari Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.02 16:33:00 -
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huh
CEO Arachnea Phoenix Battalion |
Fantus
Caldari FISKL GUARDS death from above..
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Posted - 2010.07.02 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Sephiroth CloneIIV 1. Low sec
2. npc null sec (its pretty sparely inhabited whenever I go into it)
3. worm holes
Not even close to running a free space region. Maybe the idea is void these days, but there is more to this than just npc encounters and empire type wars. I really don't want to get too detailed in a forum post, this would require a lot of hard effort and input from all types of players to get off the ground.
To be honest, I'm not even sure I'm up to task on it, but after reading a lot of the early history of EVE which I was involved with, I would like see this concept come back into the game. As much as EVE has matured over the years, this is one thing I think is lacking and has been to much of my dismay seeing a true free space null sec region disappear.
There are good tight knit communities in low sec, and there are whole corporations that live in and out of wormhole space, but what I am proposing is a much greater goal. I know most pilots don't remember CFS or the revolving door politics of Pure Blind, but those that do know what I'm trying to express.
Free Space, without an NBSI policy, that's funded and protected by multiple corps/alliances willing to give real combat, organizational and political training to pilots that want it. You can't achieve that in any of your 3 points. Guitarist for the Vicious Rotten Hell Bastards |
Sephiroth CloneIIV
Gallente Section 8 Industries Looney Toons.
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Posted - 2010.07.02 16:55:00 -
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A alliance, or group of alliances that NRDS agreements with all of their neighbors are functionally allies that are open to letting neutrals in their systems. Its not like it would be a free pvp slugfest of pvp because if you (or corp) shot the system owners you will likely be made red and not allowed to use stations.
In the three I mentioned concord doesn't do squat, its dangerous and unclaimed and is often sparsely inhabited without huge alliances setting up claims in all areas, fleets go through but still that's occasional incursions to reach other null sec or a rare high value moon.
Could try the NRDS policy in one of the three areas I mentioned that is unpopulated (or very few). Just have to deal with the fact that the stations are unconquerable (which keeps things open and free), or none exist in the area. Signature removed for having inappropriate content. Zymurgist |
Psorion
Caldari Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.02 17:06:00 -
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Just move to Syndicate, NPC Delve or Curse like everyone else..
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Morvyn
Caldari Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.07.02 17:11:00 -
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I can say from experience that Syndicate/Outer Ring/Cloud Ring/Pure Blind, Providence, and Great Wildlands/Curse/Scalding Pass are all still very small-gang-PvP friendly.
Originally by: SkeDOOSH They are godless killing machines that put even grizzly bears to shame.
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dastommy79
Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.02 19:45:00 -
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Pay me isk and you can live in angel space. I role play ewok
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Swanny231
Gallente FISKL GUARDS death from above..
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Posted - 2010.07.02 20:39:00 -
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Edited by: Swanny231 on 02/07/2010 20:40:22
Originally by: dastommy79 Pay me isk and you can live in angel space.
We do live in Angel space lolz and I think we pay Dasty too ? WTH ?
Oh and Fant are you drinking again ? ------------ I may be drunk, but my turrets are not !!
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Sarrgon
Caldari Avalonians United The Shadows.
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Posted - 2010.07.03 02:21:00 -
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I still vote for new 0.0 regions, but ones only accessable via WH space, has to be other systems / regions around the WH's. No stations no nothing, only what you bring with you and build there. And of course can build outposts and claim sov in them new 0.0 regions.
Even renting wise, Eve is running out of 0.0 space fairly fast. All the answers we need are inside of us. |
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Agent Known
Caldari Night Theifs Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2010.07.03 03:38:00 -
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Originally by: Sephiroth CloneIIV A alliance, or group of alliances that NRDS agreements with all of their neighbors are functionally allies that are open to letting neutrals in their systems. Its not like it would be a free pvp slugfest of pvp because if you (or corp) shot the system owners you will likely be made red and not allowed to use stations.
In the three I mentioned concord doesn't do squat, its dangerous and unclaimed and is often sparsely inhabited without huge alliances setting up claims in all areas, fleets go through but still that's occasional incursions to reach other null sec or a rare high value moon.
Could try the NRDS policy in one of the three areas I mentioned that is unpopulated (or very few). Just have to deal with the fact that the stations are unconquerable (which keeps things open and free), or none exist in the area.
I believe this has been tried already...ho hum. On another note, I also have an annoying sig. |
Spurty
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.07.03 18:52:00 -
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Edited by: Spurty on 03/07/2010 18:56:12
EDIT: oh wow, this really belongs in Features and Ideas. CAOD has no place for actual 'proposals for CCP'.
I'd like to see new 0.0 regions (no stupid arse pipes and ways for 1000 blob to prevent access by sitting on one gate either. Have a think about it when you create *those* systems) that have the sort of space where cloaks, bubbles and cynos can't be used. No moons for pos's. Very bare. minimum of 2 belts per planet. Minimum of 4 planets system. Make many thousands of them and make them all 'equal' with all factors such as getting there and the quality of them, so there is no 'obvious' winner where everyone gravitates to.
This would be an ideal place for empire dwellers bored of life in empire could go and get some clues without having to force them out of the game as their security status is -5 or lower and they can't access any space to go ratting for days to bring it up again.
Wouldn't affect sov holding alliances, but those players bloating these alliances 'purely' for ratting rights can 'GTFO' them because they don't actually *like* anyone in their leadership. They suck it up for the free standings and undock in useless t1 frigates just to bump numbers.
This would be cool CCP ;-)
NAPS: forcing you to play 'their' game |
Koragoni SkyKnight
Amarr 5TH Combat Training Squadron
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Posted - 2010.07.04 05:36:00 -
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You know, you could do this easily enough if CCP would fix low sec... And by fix low sec, I mean fix the sec status game dynamic. It's hopelessly broken.
How about a dynamic standings system that hits you in inverse proportion to the target's standings?
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Fantus
Caldari FISKL GUARDS death from above..
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Posted - 2010.07.04 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Swanny231 Edited by: Swanny231 on 02/07/2010 20:40:22
Originally by: dastommy79 Pay me isk and you can live in angel space.
We do live in Angel space lolz and I think we pay Dasty too ? WTH ?
Oh and Fant are you drinking again ?
Yes, but what does drinking have to do with anything? ;)
Like I said, it's a very nostalgic thing to me. I remember my corp was empire based, and not quite ready to make the jump to 0.0 full time, but there were regions available to roam and have fun without worrying about NBSI policy. After a while, there was even a Coalition formed to help protect the policy of that region, funded by the different empire based corps so their pilots could get a good test of 0.0 before their actual corps made the move.
Like I said, maybe the point is void now because the way alliances work. Back then, there were no formal in game alliances, any alliance was formed by an idea, a "shake" of the hand, and with out of game tools.
I see a lot of newbie corps joining big alliances, to be thrust into 0.0 when their pilots have no formal 0.0 experience. While I know they can be trained over time, on the spot, it's still not the same as making your own way in a 0.0 region without hands being held.
I don't want to sound jaded, I just think that maybe there still is a place in the game for this type of policy.
Guitarist for the Vicious Rotten Hell Bastards |
Musical Fist
Gallente NAP Coalition
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Posted - 2010.07.04 14:29:00 -
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/supported
Give me an outline of what you require and I will help --
New NAP Coalition campaign started, want to be rich, powerful and elite?
Join 'NAP Coalition' public channel for more info
Bitter / mad, yup sounds about right |
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