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Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.07.02 18:24:00 - [31] Originally by: Drenan The "learning skills were a mistake" comment was made by CCP's marketing director during an eve-tv studio interview with Spiral, during the 07/08 tourney coverage. àwell, that provides some hints as to what the actual "problem" might be from their point of view. Anyway, time to get digging in the video archives. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Drenan State War Academy	Posted - 2010.07.02 18:39:00 - [32] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Drenan The "learning skills were a mistake" comment was made by CCP's marketing director during an eve-tv studio interview with Spiral, during the 07/08 tourney coverage. àwell, that provides some hints as to what the actual "problem" might be from their point of view. Anyway, time to get digging in the video archives. For those pilots who are too young to remember, (or missed), the hilarious and now 'infamous' eve-tv broadcasts during the 07 tourney... this thread might give you some idea of what you missed..
Zelda Wei	Posted - 2010.07.02 18:57:00 - [33] Originally by: Zions Child Originally by: SammyullJackson Get off your high horse, mommy, I'm a big kid now. Really? Acting calm and collected is the best way to deal with someone/something. Gets them to stop responding angrily. They called you a troll because they didn't feel like reading, so just ignore them. If you can't do that, then how do you call yourself someone trained in debate? Do you really need a strict rule-set when you argue? Don't argue with fools, bystanders may not be able to tell the difference. The evidence has been presented numerous times, but like flat earthers, climate change and holocaust deniers it makes not one jolt of difference.
SammyullJackson	Posted - 2010.07.02 19:00:00 - [34] Originally by: Zelda Wei Originally by: Zions Child Originally by: SammyullJackson Get off your high horse, mommy, I'm a big kid now. Really? Acting calm and collected is the best way to deal with someone/something. Gets them to stop responding angrily. They called you a troll because they didn't feel like reading, so just ignore them. If you can't do that, then how do you call yourself someone trained in debate? Do you really need a strict rule-set when you argue? Don't argue with fools, bystanders may not be able to tell the difference. The evidence has been presented numerous times, but like flat earthers, climate change and holocaust deniers it makes not one jolt of difference. Really? Go ahead and check the most recent and biggest learning skills debate thread. You'll see a lot of people saying "Even CCP agrees they suck", but not ONE link to the supposed source -- not until after I asked for it.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.07.02 19:03:00 - [35] Edited by: Zeba on 02/07/2010 19:06:45 Originally by: Tinnian Maso CCP to get rid of LS's?!? Say it ain't so. LS's gave the noobs something interesting to do in their first few months of EVE, now what will they do? Troll of the Century! I salute you. <-troll salute And the source of this statment iirc is a short video interview by some random game site with a dev I can't be arsed to remember. God knows where it is but I'm sure someone with plenty of time and leet search skills will dig it up. Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
kurg	Posted - 2010.07.02 19:04:00 - [36] Originally by: Takseen (...) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAgUwEztj28 Watch from 38:00+, or go to 40:00+ (...) ^^This.
Seamus Donohue Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.02 19:21:00 - [37] Originally by: Takseen Edited by: Takseen on 02/07/2010 17:27:36 This is probably my sixth time posting this link, but oh well:) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAgUwEztj28 Watch from 38:00, someone asks a question about learning skills. The guy groans and explains how he's spent months thinking of a "fix" for them. One of the fixes he talked about was to reimburse the skill points spent, which he said was not technically possible at the time. Since we now apparently have a SP distribution mechanism, naturally speculation has begun on whether the two facts are related. I was wondering, myself, what the source was. Thank you for the link. :) __________________________________________________ Survivor of Teskanen, fan of John Rourke.
Erdiere Minmatar Erasers inc. Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.07.02 19:43:00 - [38] Originally by: CCP Oveur ...... Thus, there is ample room for the statement that "elite" learnign skills will benefit them more, since most of them already have the prerequisites to train them off the bat when they come out, while, say a new player, just gets more learning skills the they have to learn to be long term competitive. And you see, this is the real point why it's the last thing to do. We dont WANT more "mandatory" skills which give you no direct benefit. If anything, we'd like to exterminate the damn things. ...... There you go, http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=298143&page=3#81
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.07.02 19:48:00 - [39] Originally by: Erdiere Originally by: CCP Oveur ...... Thus, there is ample room for the statement that "elite" learnign skills will benefit them more, since most of them already have the prerequisites to train them off the bat when they come out, while, say a new player, just gets more learning skills the they have to learn to be long term competitive. And you see, this is the real point why it's the last thing to do. We dont WANT more "mandatory" skills which give you no direct benefit. If anything, we'd like to exterminate the damn things. ...... There you go, http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=298143&page=3#81 Makes you wonder if removing them and letting you redistribute the sp and attrubute points are part of the incarna teaser release next expansion. Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
Flossing Flush Gordon and The Toilet Ducks of Death	Posted - 2010.07.02 20:49:00 - [40] Following is what I believe would make the game better for new players, without annoying older players. Get rid of x1 learning skills give all characters +5 to each attribute, leave in the x3 skills and the x1 skill named learning. Reimburse all characters skill points trained in the x1 skills

KaarBaak Minmatar Squirrel Team	Posted - 2010.07.02 20:58:00 - [41] If learning skills are removed because they serve no real purpose and just waste peoples' time, can we look at warping and jumping next? I mean, nothing happens while warping or jumping except pretty graphics, so can't we just click on a system and instantly jump to anywhere in New Eden. Also, since taking down undefended POSs are just excercises in math and time, can we just have a button for taking down an undefended POS, rather than wasting valuable noob time actually shooting at these things? Oh...and same for ship-to-ship PvP, please. And mining. KTHXBAI =vinur allra manna MetaGaming
Jennifer Fenring Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.02 21:25:00 - [42] Originally by: KaarBaak If learning skills are removed because they serve no real purpose and just waste peoples' time, can we look at warping and jumping next? I mean, nothing happens while warping or jumping except pretty graphics, so can't we just click on a system and instantly jump to anywhere in New Eden. Also, since taking down undefended POSs are just excercises in math and time, can we just have a button for taking down an undefended POS, rather than wasting valuable noob time actually shooting at these things? Oh...and same for ship-to-ship PvP, please. And mining. Obvious troll
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.07.02 21:28:00 - [43] Originally by: Flossing Following is what I believe would make the game better for new players, without annoying older players. Get rid of x1 learning skills give all characters +5 to each attribute, leave in the x3 skills and the x1 skill named learning. Reimburse all characters skill points trained in the x1 skills Thats actually a pretty good idea. Though I do like just removing them altogether better. Originally by: KaarBaak If learning skills are removed because they serve no real purpose and just waste peoples' time, can we look at warping and jumping next? I mean, nothing happens while warping or jumping except pretty graphics, so can't we just click on a system and instantly jump to anywhere in New Eden. Also, since taking down undefended POSs are just excercises in math and time, can we just have a button for taking down an undefended POS, rather than wasting valuable noob time actually shooting at these things? Oh...and same for ship-to-ship PvP, please. And mining. KTHXBAI Troll. But I'll bite. All those things you listed serve a purpose. Even the learning skills served a purpose once upon a time but now they hinder more than they help so removing them would be the best solution for the overall balance of the game. Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.07.02 21:46:00 - [44] Edited by: Ranger 1 on 02/07/2010 21:46:40 Zeba, I think that most people arguing against removal of learning skills are doing so not because they love learning skills, but because no better mechanic for enhancing your attributes has been put forth (and they are adverse to the "boost everyone +10 now" school of thought). If they are going to be replaced, at least make it an interesting new mechanic that solves more problems than it creates. A rough idea for your consideration from the "ugly" thread. Linkage Hey, at least its different. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Jennifer Fenring Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.02 21:53:00 - [45] Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 02/07/2010 21:55:09 Originally by: Zebra1 Zeba, I think that most people arguing against removal of learning skills are doing so not because they love learning skills, but because no better mechanic for enhancing your attributes has been put forth (and they are adverse to the "boost everyone +10 now" school of thought). Why is there need for "a mechanic for enhancing your attributes" at all? We already have implants, that will do fine imho. And there's remaps too. Already 2 fine "mechanisms to enhance attributes" I think it¦s mainly, as you said, the "adverse to the "boost everyone +10 now" (AND get your SP and money refunded) kind of people who see a need for another mechanic for attribute boosts. For one strange uncomprehendible reason or other.
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.07.02 22:05:00 - [46] Quote: Why is there need for "a mechanic for enhancing your attributes" at all? Because people have demanded such a mechanic since the game went live. That would be why we have advanced learning skills to begin with, they are a requested addition. As for problems and exploits possible under the "give everyone +10" plan, read any of several dozen posts in that other thread that deal with that very point. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Jennifer Fenring Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.02 22:15:00 - [47] Originally by: Ranger 1 Because people have demanded such a mechanic since the game went live. That would be why we have advanced learning skills to begin with, they are a requested addition. Perhaps people have requested ways to increase learning speeds because it was very slow to start with but I¦m very sure most would have been happy if it would have been faster in the first place. faster training > learning skills > no learning skills and very slow training Originally by: Ranger 1 As for problems and exploits possible under the "give everyone +10" plan, read any of several dozen posts in that other thread that deal with that very point. I haven¦t seen that. But what more exploits can you think of than in the times that people started off with 800k SP? And how bad is it really?
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.07.02 22:45:00 - [48] Edited by: Ghoest on 02/07/2010 22:49:35 Originally by: Takseen Edited by: Takseen on 02/07/2010 17:27:36 This is probably my sixth time posting this link, but oh well:) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAgUwEztj28 Watch from 38:00, someone asks a question about learning skills. The guy groans and explains how he's spent months thinking of a "fix" for them. One of the fixes he talked about was to reimburse the skill points spent, which he said was not technically possible at the time. Since we now apparently have a SP distribution mechanism, naturally speculation has begun on whether the two facts are related. Nice pwnage. EDIT: BTW Im an older player who has all the learning skills at 4 or 5. I think it would be great for the game if they removed them and just reimbursed us the SP. I dont really care if they improve everyones base stats or if we learn at a slower rate going forward. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Guilliman R Gallente PRO Space Hunters HUNTER'S BROTHERHOOD	Posted - 2010.07.02 22:55:00 - [49] About the atributes. Instead of giving everyone +10 atributes to all, why not add those to implants. Same 5 implants per type, but the cheapest one adds 5, the best one ads 15, then the rest in between. 5 - 7 - 10 - 12 - 15
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.07.03 00:02:00 - [50] Originally by: Guilliman R About the atributes. Instead of giving everyone +10 atributes to all, why not add those to implants. Same 5 implants per type, but the cheapest one adds 5, the best one ads 15, then the rest in between. 5 - 7 - 10 - 12 - 15 Cuz thats dumb and would just serve to keep noobs down. Wherever you went - Here you are.

John Ellsworth Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.03 00:10:00 - [51] Edited by: John Ellsworth on 03/07/2010 00:13:19 according to the haters they said it at a fan fair (off record)of course and to a (hand full of haters I suspect) LOL As for the tube video ... Dam shame they wont post it to an official blog or to this official forum... all smoke IMO and did not click...
Swidgen	Posted - 2010.07.03 00:23:00 - [52] Originally by: Zeba Troll. But I'll bite. It's sarcasm, not trolling. Exactly how dense are some of you people that can't spot the difference?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.07.03 02:23:00 - [53] Originally by: John Ellsworth according to the haters they said it at a fan fair (off record)of course and to a (hand full of haters I suspect) LOL Don't know if "in front of the CCP-hired camera crew, for the official archives" count as "off the record"à Quote: As for the tube video ... Dam shame they wont post it to an official blog or to this official forum... Why would they, when it's on the official CCP channel? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Joe Skellington Minmatar JOKAS Industries Apocalypse Now.	Posted - 2010.07.03 02:29:00 - [54] You could do courier missions while doing learning skills and build up money and standings.
JennyD	Posted - 2010.07.03 03:15:00 - [55] Its a bit like the rumour about pathetic lesion being able to jump in a system and not appear on local .many logs and evidence supplied and 70+ page thread. CCP never denied it . but they did release a patch where they said they had fixed the exploit/patch that lots of people claimed to exist. one does wonder why no punishment was ever issued.............. one also wonders why something not deemed to be an exploit was fixed as an exploit.......
Serpents smile	Posted - 2010.07.03 03:34:00 - [56] I have 2 accounts. One from '07 and one from '08. Guess what I am training now on both this very moment. Threads like these makes me sad.
Felix Esperium Lysergic Distortions Research and Development	Posted - 2010.07.03 03:35:00 - [57] Originally by: Serpents smile Guess what I am training now on both this very moment. presence 5?


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