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Veneth
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Posted - 2004.12.16 18:49:00 -
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Ok. I can understand the way the Oversizing works now, though I don't much like it since I used lots of Oversized modules. but adapt or die right?
But one thing I don't understand. why do AB's now turn your ships into flying bricks? you can't manuver with one worth squat, going into any form of orbit kills all speed you can ever concieve of. Was it really necessary to do that?
And with the new nerf to oversized ABs and MWDs,will the MWD penalties finally be reduced Lossing Cap, SHielding and having a gigantor Sig is well.. to much
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Veneth
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Posted - 2004.12.16 18:49:00 -
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Ok. I can understand the way the Oversizing works now, though I don't much like it since I used lots of Oversized modules. but adapt or die right?
But one thing I don't understand. why do AB's now turn your ships into flying bricks? you can't manuver with one worth squat, going into any form of orbit kills all speed you can ever concieve of. Was it really necessary to do that?
And with the new nerf to oversized ABs and MWDs,will the MWD penalties finally be reduced Lossing Cap, SHielding and having a gigantor Sig is well.. to much
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Mrissa Easeah
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Posted - 2004.12.16 18:53:00 -
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Have to re-read the patch notes, but as I understood the changes, they were going to lose the shield penalty on MWD's.
Not a massive difference, but significant for some setups, especially for thoraxes in PvP.
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Mrissa Easeah
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Posted - 2004.12.16 18:53:00 -
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Have to re-read the patch notes, but as I understood the changes, they were going to lose the shield penalty on MWD's.
Not a massive difference, but significant for some setups, especially for thoraxes in PvP.
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Trishy Electra
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Posted - 2004.12.16 19:06:00 -
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stop whining about this and that and i cant turn and i cant go fast and i'm getting my ass ooned.
put a car engine on your bicycle....is it gonna work? no
are you gonna be able to turn? no.
imo this was a good idea taking those oversized things out of the game.
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Trishy Electra
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Posted - 2004.12.16 19:06:00 -
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stop whining about this and that and i cant turn and i cant go fast and i'm getting my ass ooned.
put a car engine on your bicycle....is it gonna work? no
are you gonna be able to turn? no.
imo this was a good idea taking those oversized things out of the game.
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Epofhis
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Posted - 2004.12.16 19:12:00 -
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Did this new patch happen today??!! Cause I was logged on last night and all seemed ok to me, Sooo it must of be so??
there are you happy now, my sig fits every rule. Now, no delete me pls, I promise to be good!!!11010101!! |
Epofhis
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Posted - 2004.12.16 19:12:00 -
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Did this new patch happen today??!! Cause I was logged on last night and all seemed ok to me, Sooo it must of be so??
there are you happy now, my sig fits every rule. Now, no delete me pls, I promise to be good!!!11010101!! |
Mrissa Easeah
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Posted - 2004.12.16 19:15:00 -
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Yup, patch happened lastnight/this morning depending on how you time it.
Can anyone confirm if MWD shield penalty has been removed? Either I'm blind or it isn't in those patch notes.
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Mrissa Easeah
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Posted - 2004.12.16 19:15:00 -
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Yup, patch happened lastnight/this morning depending on how you time it.
Can anyone confirm if MWD shield penalty has been removed? Either I'm blind or it isn't in those patch notes.
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Veneth
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Posted - 2004.12.16 19:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Trishy Electra
stop whining about this and that and i cant turn and i cant go fast and i'm getting my ass ooned.
put a car engine on your bicycle....is it gonna work? no
are you gonna be able to turn? no.
imo this was a good idea taking those oversized things out of the game.
maybe if you read things and try them, before flaming you'll notice that ABs fitted to correct ships still blow in turns and orbits and well jut plain acceleration..
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Veneth
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Posted - 2004.12.16 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Trishy Electra
stop whining about this and that and i cant turn and i cant go fast and i'm getting my ass ooned.
put a car engine on your bicycle....is it gonna work? no
are you gonna be able to turn? no.
imo this was a good idea taking those oversized things out of the game.
maybe if you read things and try them, before flaming you'll notice that ABs fitted to correct ships still blow in turns and orbits and well jut plain acceleration..
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Veneth
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Posted - 2004.12.16 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Mrissa Easeah
Yup, patch happened lastnight/this morning depending on how you time it.
Can anyone confirm if MWD shield penalty has been removed? Either I'm blind or it isn't in those patch notes.
yeah u no longer have a shield penalty for MWDs.. probably the 1 that people could care less about :) I'd rather have my cap or my Sig thankz
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Veneth
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Posted - 2004.12.16 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Mrissa Easeah
Yup, patch happened lastnight/this morning depending on how you time it.
Can anyone confirm if MWD shield penalty has been removed? Either I'm blind or it isn't in those patch notes.
yeah u no longer have a shield penalty for MWDs.. probably the 1 that people could care less about :) I'd rather have my cap or my Sig thankz
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Mrissa Easeah
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Posted - 2004.12.16 19:26:00 -
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Well -yeah- ... but its still something.
Enough for me to consider PvP'ing in Thoraxes now as a damage dealer/screen against frigates and other cruisers.
I seriously never expected them to un-nerf the cap penalties, and shields being the red-headed stepchild of defense that they are, it was an easy bone for them to toss us.
Still, its another thing on the side of the scale of MWD's versus no speed boosts, and helps shield Gallente that much more in order to reach their prey with blasters in PvP.
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Mrissa Easeah
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Posted - 2004.12.16 19:26:00 -
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Well -yeah- ... but its still something.
Enough for me to consider PvP'ing in Thoraxes now as a damage dealer/screen against frigates and other cruisers.
I seriously never expected them to un-nerf the cap penalties, and shields being the red-headed stepchild of defense that they are, it was an easy bone for them to toss us.
Still, its another thing on the side of the scale of MWD's versus no speed boosts, and helps shield Gallente that much more in order to reach their prey with blasters in PvP.
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Cetshwayo
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Posted - 2004.12.16 20:18:00 -
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Anyone tried a correct size MWD on a Throax? For me it takes about 3 bursts to get up to speed (auto-repeat) which is about half a minute. My corp mate in a Prophecy fits a 10mn MWD and gets up to speed in 10 seconds about. Skills are about the same. Does anyone see a problem with this? I know I do.
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Cetshwayo
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Posted - 2004.12.16 20:18:00 -
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Anyone tried a correct size MWD on a Throax? For me it takes about 3 bursts to get up to speed (auto-repeat) which is about half a minute. My corp mate in a Prophecy fits a 10mn MWD and gets up to speed in 10 seconds about. Skills are about the same. Does anyone see a problem with this? I know I do.
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Aelita
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Posted - 2004.12.16 20:29:00 -
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Definetely with hand to hand "improve" of AB goes with penalty to maneuverability. That mean ships now accelerate far longer than before patch. Thank but I say no! :(
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Aelita
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Posted - 2004.12.16 20:29:00 -
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Definetely with hand to hand "improve" of AB goes with penalty to maneuverability. That mean ships now accelerate far longer than before patch. Thank but I say no! :(
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Crux Australis
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Posted - 2004.12.16 21:25:00 -
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I tried a Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I AB on my Caracal (120% base speed, 144% with acceleration control at lvl. 4).
1) Acceleration is ghey. Well, I can live with it...
2) Base cruising speed = 212,5 m/s (navigation = 5)
Max. velocity with AB = 457,3 m/s (acceleration control 4). Not that I love it... but, again, I can more or less live with it.
3) Capacitor usage/time 48 HP/14 sec (auel conservation 4, afterburners 4). Higher than pre-patch, but I have no problems with this.
4) Ship size with AB deactivated = 13,750,000 Kg
Ship size with AB activated = 18,750,000 Kg 
Well, I HAVE problems with this !
Now if I activate that damn AB I feel like flying a pile of bricks.
I accelerate/decelerate slower, turn slower, have worst orbiting.
/em adds another timesink to the already long timesinks list...
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Crux Australis
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Posted - 2004.12.16 21:25:00 -
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I tried a Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I AB on my Caracal (120% base speed, 144% with acceleration control at lvl. 4).
1) Acceleration is ghey. Well, I can live with it...
2) Base cruising speed = 212,5 m/s (navigation = 5)
Max. velocity with AB = 457,3 m/s (acceleration control 4). Not that I love it... but, again, I can more or less live with it.
3) Capacitor usage/time 48 HP/14 sec (auel conservation 4, afterburners 4). Higher than pre-patch, but I have no problems with this.
4) Ship size with AB deactivated = 13,750,000 Kg
Ship size with AB activated = 18,750,000 Kg
Well, I HAVE problems with this !
Now if I activate that damn AB I feel like flying a pile of bricks.
I accelerate/decelerate slower, turn slower, have worst orbiting.
/em adds another timesink to the already long timesinks list...
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2004.12.16 21:28:00 -
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time to break out the tech2 overdrives and inertia stabs!
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2004.12.16 21:28:00 -
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time to break out the tech2 overdrives and inertia stabs!
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Amanda Lumley
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Posted - 2004.12.16 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Necrologic
time to break out the tech2 overdrives and inertia stabs!
For fun while testing my Crow I tried putting a T1 1mn AB with 3 T1 Overdrives, not too bad but still not fast enough for me, but the funny thing: my cargo reduced to 92m3 
I will do more testing tonight with interia stabs, but one thing for sure, T2 1mn MWD gets you nearly 4km/s.
Another interesting thing is that what with all the extra grid available when dumping the 10mn AB I am able to fit 1 arb assault ml + 2 arb Standards + 1 Ball Contr. Going to go hunting in a 0.1 when I get home from work and see how that works.
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Amanda Lumley
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Posted - 2004.12.16 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Necrologic
time to break out the tech2 overdrives and inertia stabs!
For fun while testing my Crow I tried putting a T1 1mn AB with 3 T1 Overdrives, not too bad but still not fast enough for me, but the funny thing: my cargo reduced to 92m3
I will do more testing tonight with interia stabs, but one thing for sure, T2 1mn MWD gets you nearly 4km/s.
Another interesting thing is that what with all the extra grid available when dumping the 10mn AB I am able to fit 1 arb assault ml + 2 arb Standards + 1 Ball Contr. Going to go hunting in a 0.1 when I get home from work and see how that works.
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Veneth
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Posted - 2004.12.16 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Crux Australis
I tried a Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I AB on my Caracal (120% base speed, 144% with acceleration control at lvl. 4).
1) Acceleration is ghey. Well, I can live with it...
2) Base cruising speed = 212,5 m/s (navigation = 5)
Max. velocity with AB = 457,3 m/s (acceleration control 4). Not that I love it... but, again, I can more or less live with it.
3) Capacitor usage/time 48 HP/14 sec (auel conservation 4, afterburners 4). Higher than pre-patch, but I have no problems with this.
4) Ship size with AB deactivated = 13,750,000 Kg
Ship size with AB activated = 18,750,000 Kg
Well, I HAVE problems with this !
Now if I activate that damn AB I feel like flying a pile of bricks.
I accelerate/decelerate slower, turn slower, have worst orbiting.
/em adds another timesink to the already long timesinks list...
yaeh I noticed that too. I was just in my I5. it weighs 11,750,000. hit the ab and it weighs 16,750,000.
Didn't know that turning on the ab ment your ship went on a binge eating frenzy..
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Veneth
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Posted - 2004.12.16 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Crux Australis
I tried a Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I AB on my Caracal (120% base speed, 144% with acceleration control at lvl. 4).
1) Acceleration is ghey. Well, I can live with it...
2) Base cruising speed = 212,5 m/s (navigation = 5)
Max. velocity with AB = 457,3 m/s (acceleration control 4). Not that I love it... but, again, I can more or less live with it.
3) Capacitor usage/time 48 HP/14 sec (auel conservation 4, afterburners 4). Higher than pre-patch, but I have no problems with this.
4) Ship size with AB deactivated = 13,750,000 Kg
Ship size with AB activated = 18,750,000 Kg
Well, I HAVE problems with this !
Now if I activate that damn AB I feel like flying a pile of bricks.
I accelerate/decelerate slower, turn slower, have worst orbiting.
/em adds another timesink to the already long timesinks list...
yaeh I noticed that too. I was just in my I5. it weighs 11,750,000. hit the ab and it weighs 16,750,000.
Didn't know that turning on the ab ment your ship went on a binge eating frenzy..
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Ukiah
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Posted - 2004.12.16 23:40:00 -
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As I posted in a nother thread, tested my Malediction with a 1mn AB and then with a 1mn MWD. It now handles like a Cruiser.
Thanks CCP! What a craptastic solution!
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Ukiah
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Posted - 2004.12.16 23:40:00 -
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As I posted in a nother thread, tested my Malediction with a 1mn AB and then with a 1mn MWD. It now handles like a Cruiser.
Thanks CCP! What a craptastic solution!
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