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Voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2010.07.05 07:48:00 -
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Hey all,
I'm wondering if anyone would be interested in this proposal.
I have some idle T2 BPO's, I've been busy in real life and havent had the time to babysit production lines, so I currently have:
2x Expanded Cargohold II BPO's 2x Basilisk BPO's 1x Guardian BPO 1x Manticore BPO 1x Rook BPO And some other crap T2 BPO's... (remote sensor damp, large energy transfer array, heavy energy neut).
I don't want to sell these prints, they are my babies. So thats where leasing comes into play. The BPO's are locked down, I let your manufacturing alts into a shell manufacturing corporation, you pay a monthly fee every month to my main corporation.
The fee would be a fixed amount every month.
1. Would anybody do this? 2. How much would you pay for access to build off these prints?
The advantage is easy entry into T2 production off some high quality prints, without having to fork over hundreds of billions of ISK.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.07.05 08:13:00 -
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Sadly, my main isn't going to leave the corp, and I have no T2-manufacture-ready alts, so I couldn't take your offer anyway. So, just throwing around some numbers for those other people that might be interested.
Depends how much you would be charging for it, and how you would recalculate all of this, especially since profitability can noticeably change from week to week, let alone month to month. Right now, given current prices and possible short-term evolution, the entire package could have an estimated profit anywhere between 6 to 10 bil ISK/month, but around 8 is more likely. Then again, you could theoretically earn up to 6 bil ISK/month just by building T1 battleships (yet those BPOs aren't cheap either, and quite a few manufacturers would be happy with 1 bil/mo from cheaper blueprints, and T1 manufacture is far, far more tedious). I suppose charging anything between 1 to 5 bil/month for this "rental service" could still be construed as fair, and I'd recommend 3 bil/month as the "sweet spot".
IMO, charging a percentage of the profits after actual profits are made would be a much more palatable offer, but then again, that would require steady book-keeping and supervision, so no idea if you'd like it.
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Voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2010.07.05 08:25:00 -
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Around 3B a month is about what I was looking at, the reason for not basing it off profits is that I don't have time to audit the true profitability of the prints every day, which is why I'd rather have a fixed amount and leaving it low enough that they'll always be able to profit as long as they run the production lines.
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Anschau
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Posted - 2010.07.05 09:31:00 -
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Edited by: Anschau on 05/07/2010 09:31:38 I'd probably join for a billion a month. Mainly because I am in the same situation and would have to ditch my corp since my main is my builder/researcher.
Though to be fair I am in between corps for a couple days.
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Pytria Le'Danness
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Posted - 2010.07.05 09:39:00 -
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Pre-PI I would have jumped at this with my builder alt, but PI has thrown a lot of the prices into chaos so I need to research the profitability first - and if my alt is even able to use these prints.
TBH with all the pricing chaos going on right now it might actually be easier and more cost-efficient to copy the BPOs despite it not usually being worth it.
I'll do some maths and get back at you if I am still interested.
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Anschau
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Posted - 2010.07.05 09:48:00 -
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I just did the maths, and a billion would be cutting it close even with production. Assuming you listed without going for highest buy order it would still be close 1.5 billion a month, and that's if you aren't really sharing the best ones. With sharing, I don't know.
I would be more interested in a profit sharing deal where you sell the BPOs on behalf of the corp and get cut-in or leased certain BPOs for a certain price a month.
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Anschau
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Posted - 2010.07.05 09:55:00 -
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Actually I did the maths wrong, depending on how many people I was sharing with I would be able to make 2 billion a month, and therefore its worth 1 billion to me.
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Lutz Major
Austriae Est Imperare Orbi Universo
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Posted - 2010.07.05 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Anschau Actually I did the maths wrong, depending on how many people I was sharing with I would be able to make 2 billion a month, and therefore its worth 1 billion to me.
Acutally you still do the math wrong or want to dump the price.
My own rough math supports Akita Ts calculations: about 10b per month profit with current prices, if you can sell all items - which at the output of a single T2 BPO should be possible by far
I calculated with yesterdays Jita prices. Buy orders + 1% for components and sell orders for the product - 0.1% - 1%.
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Mr LaForge
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Posted - 2010.07.05 14:31:00 -
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If I had like 600 billion ISK I'd buy all those from you.
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Narfas Deteis
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Posted - 2010.07.05 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Mr LaForge If I had like 600 billion ISK I'd buy all those from you.
If I had 600.000.000.000,01 ISK I'd outbid you.
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2010.07.05 15:03:00 -
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Even factoring in buy / sell orders (which is technically profit you could make without even building at all), you're not going to hit 6b let alone 10b. Not with today's Jita prices anyway. I've gone line by line, and the intrinsic value of the BPOs + build slots to put them in, is less than 4.5b every 28 days.
This does include implants. This doesn't include using a POS (I'm not sure it would be worth it, given the not particularly huge margins, unless you were able to fully load it, also you'd want an alt capable of flying a freighter to make not using one a PITA as well.) This doesn't include the profit you make by TRADE (which you could do without owning the BPOs) This doesn't include the profit you make by building your own components (which you could do without owning the BPOs) This doesn't include the loss of utility of having a character dedicated to being in an alt corp.
Certainly I think with it at 3b/month you could 'always profit', though I'm kind of shaky on it being worth the effort for 1.5b/month (it requires more than 7b/month worth of inputs, which invariably means tying up 14b of capital to build with, plus the 3b rental). 6b/month and you would be making a loss, or possibly breaking even if you made heavy use of buy / sell orders and building your parts. 8b and you would make a loss, 10b and you'd be ****ing away billions on this. A hulk BPO only makes about 2b/month (was less six months ago) and that's substantially more than the best BPO here, which makes just over half that.
Anyway, if you think I'm talking down the price, run the numbers, and outbid me. I'm sure there's someone else with a spare character out there whose time is worth less than mine.
Anyway, my best offer is 2.5b per 28 days (ie paid every 4th weekend, to coincide with a maintainable production schedule - I've done this before, though in that case it was 50/50 profit share). With 1.25b paid for the first month, 2.5b every 4 weeks thereafter, and then the final 1.25b in addition to the final months payment, whenever that happens to be.
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Bryg Philomena
Don't Taze Me Bro
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Posted - 2010.07.05 18:51:00 -
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Yes, there is interest, Voogru.
There have been occasional threads in the sell order forum. I'd take you up on the offer, but atm am not into t2 production.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars???
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Barbicane
TGUN Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.05 20:47:00 -
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Looks like a good opportunity but I'm too lazy these days
One idea could be to split them in two groups and lease to different individuals.
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2010.07.05 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Barbicane One idea could be to split them in two groups and lease to different individuals.
They're really much less valuable split, firstly people would be devoting an entire character to one BPO instead of a collection, secondly he'd have to maintain multiple shell corps.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.07.06 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Fitz secondly he'd have to maintain multiple shell corps.
Not necessarily, he could split them by hangar access, so he could have up to 7 separate groups in a single shell corp. But yeah, the rest of the observations stand, there's really only room for one manufacture alt there, no point splitting it up.
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Red Teufel
Imperial Directorate
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Posted - 2010.07.06 06:34:00 -
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how about you do us a favor and destroy your t2 bpo's
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Voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2010.07.06 07:30:00 -
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Originally by: Red Teufel how about you do us a favor and destroy your t2 bpo's
I'll hand over the T2 BPO's to you for free, and let you trash them.
How about that?
Hint: You'll auction them off immediately or pass them to alts to build off of them, you hypocrite.
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2010.07.06 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Lord Fitz secondly he'd have to maintain multiple shell corps.
Not necessarily, he could split them by hangar access, so he could have up to 7 separate groups in a single shell corp. But yeah, the rest of the observations stand, there's really only room for one manufacture alt there, no point splitting it up.
Yeah, but if you're in a corp with 6 other alts with factory access, you've got 7 potential people who could just cancel your build job for laughs. You've already got to trust Voogru not to run off with the materials / output ( a very low risk I'm sure), but it's always got to be in the back in your mind that it 'could' happen. Trust is something you need in the game, but it means always calculating the risk and living with the consequences if things go pear shaped. |
Narfas Deteis
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Posted - 2010.07.06 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Red Teufel how about you do us a favor and destroy your t2 bpo's
Do us a favor, buy them and THEN destroy them. |
Corporal Cleggy
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Posted - 2010.07.06 12:30:00 -
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there is absolutley no intrest in such a proposal. you should let the prints gather dust and stop being the source of cheap shiney things |
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Hophmann
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2010.07.06 13:41:00 -
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Life is a ***** then you turn your game into a full time job. You have won long time ago. But some have you just don't see it. Therefore you been blinded by the game and you are no longer enjoying it. And the saddest part is that from the start (properly) you ruled the game (mighty and big) but now its the game that rules you. You can't let it go now it keeps pulling you back. So sad that you got blinded. Nobody can say it better than Edward Abbey: "Power is always dangerous. Power attracts the worst and corrupts the best."
Good luck doing what ever you want to do!
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Xaroth Brook
Minmatar BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.07.06 14:07:00 -
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I will contact you later today.
Xaroth Brook BIG www.big-eve.com
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Regis Nex
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Posted - 2010.07.06 14:20:00 -
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Me and a couple of my buddies are interested on this. Would it be ok if you could drop me a list of all the T2BPO you have available We need to do our calculations.
Tnx a lot
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Ariane VoxDei
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Posted - 2010.07.06 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Voogru
Originally by: Red Teufel how about you do us a favor and destroy your t2 bpo's
I'll hand over the T2 BPO's to you for free, and let you trash them.
How about that?
Hint: You'll auction them off immediately or pass them to alts to build off of them, you hypocrite.
You can hand them to me instead, my account is so heavy monitored anyway. Destruction guaranteed once the remaining BPO holders and/or other associated T2 pruducers/inventors compensate me heavily for the reduction in competitive pressure that said removal of the BPOs in question will cause.
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Voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2010.07.06 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Regis Nex Me and a couple of my buddies are interested on this. Would it be ok if you could drop me a list of all the T2BPO you have available We need to do our calculations.
Tnx a lot
The list of the notable BPO's is in the original post.
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Placebo Addict
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Posted - 2010.07.06 22:11:00 -
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Voogru, are these BPO's locked down within 1-3 jumps of a major trade hub? Preferably Jita.
Obviously the station they are in must have manufacturing facilities that are fairly unused (IE consistently 15-25 lines open at all times).
I ask in post only because this question would be relevant to others as well as myself.
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sue denim
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Posted - 2010.07.07 05:19:00 -
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Originally by: Voogru
Originally by: Red Teufel how about you do us a favor and destroy your t2 bpo's
I'll hand over the T2 BPO's to you for free, and let you trash them.
How about that?
Hint: You'll auction them off immediately or pass them to alts to build off of them, you hypocrite.
if you hand them to me i'd trash them, i guarantee it ;p give em to chribba hed trash em if u asked :P
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Voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: sue denim
Originally by: Voogru
Originally by: Red Teufel how about you do us a favor and destroy your t2 bpo's
I'll hand over the T2 BPO's to you for free, and let you trash them.
How about that?
Hint: You'll auction them off immediately or pass them to alts to build off of them, you hypocrite.
if you hand them to me i'd trash them, i guarantee it ;p give em to chribba hed trash em if u asked :P
You know what they call someone that claims they will trash a T2 BPO if it was given to them for free.
A liar.
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Narfas Deteis
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Voogru
You know what they call someone that claims they will trash a T2 BPO if it was given to them for free. A liar.
It would be exciting and didactic to watch this miracle of nature: transformation of jealous liar into greedy liar.
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Proton Power
Amarr Luck Yourself Into Isk
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Posted - 2010.07.08 18:22:00 -
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Hi,
I have a few alts that I could use for this, and would be very interested in doing so. We could work it were we split the profits of some sort, or a standard monthly fee as you have suggested. Please contact me in game at your soonest convenience to workout a deal.
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