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Micheal Dietrich
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Posted - 2012.07.21 06:24:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snrjwjXfQPs |
Micheal Dietrich
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Posted - 2012.07.21 06:40:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:rodyas wrote:He might have been spraying the AR, while the shotgun and handgun are sometimes harder to spray them. Yeah spray would kill less and injure more, but at the same time, you won't be overwhelmed by the tons of people.
Just poison tip them next time. Sold out movie theater... 1 12 gauge round would take out 2-3 people a shot, also panicked civilians don't try to overwhelm the attacker. They run or pretend to be dead like they should be for being incompetent and complacent
And before people try to make snarky comebacks about running at a man with a gun, yes there are articles where this happens. |
Micheal Dietrich
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Posted - 2012.07.21 20:40:00 -
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Whang'Lo wrote:Amend the constitution of the united states, to make it no longer legal to own firearms. Since I know there are like a gazillion gun nuts out there I will make a quick FAQ here, so I don't have to keep posting.
Gun nut FAQ:
1. It's my constitutional right to bears arms.
This is true. But it's also true that the constitution is a living document and can be amended. For instance slavery was abolished by an amendment to the constitution.
2. If people can't bear arms then only the criminals will have firearms.
There are roughly 300 or so cases each year in the united states of self defense resulting in death that are ruled "justifiable". The chances of you owning a gun and using that gun in self defense and it being ruled "justified" is almost none.
3. If I don't have a gun then someone can break into my house and I can't defend myself.
Generally speaking people don't break into your house when your home. Contrary to popular belief occupied home invasions are extremely rare. Since people break into your house when your not home that nice new shiny hand cannon you bought is stolen and is now used to further crime not prevent it.
4. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
No actually guns kill people.
5. If citizens are not armed then the government can take over!
Lets see, Tanks, Air Force, Professional Army, Cruise Missles, Predator Drones, etc etc versus Small Arms.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, if my ownership of weapons offends you, you are more than welcome to come on over and remove them from my home. |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
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Posted - 2012.07.23 15:18:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Shameless Avenger wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: And you sitll hide from us the truth about your experiences outside of the US and why you pretend to characteise the world through them.
OMG the butthurt is strong with this one... Dude... read the thread again. My point is that when you restrict civilian gun ownership, crime rises because criminals know you don't have guns. I've lived on places with many gun restrictions and this is usually the end result. If you want to have a discussion about it, feel free to list countries, along with their gun laws and their crime rates. Crime in the UK has fallen for the past 2 decades. So long as you dont live in the poor parts of london, Birmingham or Manchester you should be ok. Oh and all of Glasgow, they beat up terrorists on fire with fire extingishers.
Of course we're a great community just as long as you don't go here, here, here, here, here, here, or there.
So what happens if you do live in these poor districts? |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
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Posted - 2012.07.24 14:08:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
I think that you're missing the point here.
Why owe a gun?
Self defense.
Self defense from what threat?
Any.
But, what's the most common threat around?
People who owe firearms.
But, what people?
ANY people. Everyone can owe a firearm and you never know who you're gonna meet.
So the reason why you need a weapon it's the American like you, who owe firearms because American like you owe guns.
Oh, you may say, "but, i am NOT a threat!" But then in your own words, "you don't know who will greet ya". And you are everybody else's "who will greet me?". So you are armed because of their arms, and they are armed because of your arms.
So all in all, American arm themselves because of armed American. And the more American arm themselves, the more American will have to worry about all those armed out there, thus they will keep arming themselves.
You have a citation for this interesting bit of data? I would really like to see a poll or something on reasons for owning a gun. |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
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Posted - 2012.07.24 14:30:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Oh wow the movie is ace.
My buddy was telling me it was a bit predictable. I might go see it tomorrow depending on how funds look. |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
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Posted - 2012.07.24 15:40:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:I will go see it tomorrow, but first a trip to the surplus store for a kevlar vest
hmm I like that. Was gonna do sandbags myself. |
Micheal Dietrich
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Posted - 2012.07.24 16:08:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:I will go see it tomorrow, but first a trip to the surplus store for a kevlar vest hmm I like that. Was gonna do sandbags myself. I don't think the theater would appreciate the making of a bunker
I'd leave the isle clear |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
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Posted - 2012.07.24 20:08:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
I think that you're missing the point here.
Why owe a gun?
Self defense.
Self defense from what threat?
Any.
But, what's the most common threat around?
People who owe firearms.
But, what people?
ANY people. Everyone can owe a firearm and you never know who you're gonna meet.
So the reason why you need a weapon it's the American like you, who owe firearms because American like you owe guns.
Oh, you may say, "but, i am NOT a threat!" But then in your own words, "you don't know who will greet ya". And you are everybody else's "who will greet me?". So you are armed because of their arms, and they are armed because of your arms.
So all in all, American arm themselves because of armed American. And the more American arm themselves, the more American will have to worry about all those armed out there, thus they will keep arming themselves.
You have a citation for this interesting bit of data? I would really like to see a poll or something on reasons for owning a gun. The whole point being that weapons for self defense trigger the need to defend from weapons just flew over your head, right?
I guess it did considering the only just over 30% of our nation owns a firearm meaning that an awful lot of people appear to be failing to get on the defense train. Of course this doesn't even include the fact that many of us have already stated what we use our weapons for in another thread, which did not even include this self defense that every one claims. But what would I, a gun owner, know compared to somebody on the other side of the world right? Right?
Thank you for your lack of sources. |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
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Posted - 2012.07.25 13:43:00 -
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dexington wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote: You have a citation for this interesting bit of data? I would really like to see a poll or something on reasons for owning a gun.
I would just like to see how many are owning a gun because they want to shoot someone.
No kidding. I know that's something I don't need on my conscious for the rest of my life. |
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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
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Posted - 2012.07.25 14:01:00 -
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Shameless Avenger wrote:Here's another tip as per why people arm themselves around these parts. Lets start with a little history: "Pigs were first introduced in the 1500GÇÖs to what is now the southeastern U.S. by Spanish Explorer, Hernando DeSoto. In the centuries following European exploration and colonization of the eastern U.S., free-range livestock management practices and escapes from enclosures resulted in the establishment of wild pig populations and promoted their spread" ~ Linky- There's no set hunting season on pigs in Florida. You can hunt them all year round. - Pigs are an invasive species and we want to get rid of them.
We have to do the same thing with the coyotes up here. In small groups they aren't so bad, in larger numbers they start getting really confident. |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
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Posted - 2012.07.25 21:23:00 -
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Shameless Avenger wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: Reduced crime? Except that your fellows got 7x more chances to be murdered than mine.
Actually, their chances to be shot dead are 4x our chances to be murdered at all...
Anyway, as i stated already, American people want it this way, so, who am I/are we to judge?
Give it some time. It was already stated that your country has a huge drug trafficking problem. And from your comments it seems you guys don't have a problem with it. Well, let me tell you what's gonna happen in the future if you don't fix that issue right now: 1) Traffickers will get greedy and start taking down other traffickers to get a bigger piece of the pie for themselves. 2) They soon realize that the trafficker with most guns usually wins. 3) They'll also realize that the same smuggling apparatus use to smuggle drugs, could very well be used to smuggle guns. 4) Those in the trafficker's payroll learn that guns are an excellent crime tool. 5) Ex traffickers looking for alternative methods of income, start using the guns to rob people. 6) Law abiding citizens who have no guns become prey. If you don't believe it you can check the crime stats of every country that has a drug trafficking problem. Even the US some 50 years ago, was a lot more peaceful that it is now. Ask somebody from Colombia, or Mexico, or Puerto Rico... same story over and over again. If you take guns away from law abiding citizens is the US, you gonna disarm the victims-to-be. You won't disarm the criminals. The only thing keeping criminals from busting trough these nice glass windows of mine is the possibility that I might be packing. It's called deterrence. And it works very well. But I don't have to keep my examples to home-security. We could use something else like, border crossing between nations. Imagine you were forced to cross a border and you are given 2 choices. You could even cross from Mexico to US, or you could try crossing from Cuba to Guantanamo. Which one would you choose and why?
It's already that way, we're just dealing with somebody who has no clue whatsoever what is really going on behind closed doors in his/her city. Not that this has stopped them from being a e-preacher. |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
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Posted - 2012.07.26 20:17:00 -
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Are you seriously still trying? And LOL at your attempt to think like a bad guy. Joker boy here is going to get death and if he doesn't then it most certainly will be life with no parole. Do you think he contemplated that bringing a weapon may be bad? How about many of the other thousands of felons that we have in our prisons who beat, stabbed, bludgeoned, drowned, poisoned, hung, or shot their victims.
I have a scar that goes across my chest because the other guy didn't think twice that a knife would add 4 years to his sentence, he only cared about ******* me up at the moment. 4-5 years is a walk in the park for some of these guys. 3 meals a day, roof over your head, company with similar tastes. Just gotta keep the rules of the playground at the front of your mind and you're good to go. |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
568
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:01:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: As i said, here's not the USA, and armed assaults and armed burglary rarely involves firearmrs unless the victim is an armed criminal.
YOU DON'T SAY! |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
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Posted - 2012.07.26 22:07:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
No, what i mean is that in most cases criminals only grab firearms when they plan to assault other criminals.
Ah, I see boy wonder here is trying to tell us how a criminal organization is ran again. Personally I would love to drop you off in the projects for a night and let the hilarity ensue. Well, it'd be funny for me at least.
So, do your criminal organizations schedule these raids as well? Do they send in questionnaires to their potential victims for some data mining solutions? Inquiring minds want to know! |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
570
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Posted - 2012.07.27 19:58:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Shameless Avenger wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: ...If the victim is an armed criminal...
At this point you are just trolling trolling. If you were to say such a thing inside a female support group for sexual crime victims.... troll troll troll... I'm not gonna discuss anything else with you. You are just a troll. FACT: most (and it's a large most) firearm assaults are from criminals assaulting other criminals FACT: most (and it's a large most) armed assaults do not imply firearms, rather other kinds of weapons FACT: most firearm murders are criminals shooting other criminals FACT: most murders do not imply firearms Now ask yourself why in the USA it's exaclty the opposite.
Again I like your excellent use of citations. |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
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Posted - 2012.07.27 20:54:00 -
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Still not seeing those citations. Just gonna have to assume that you are blowing **** out of your ass yet again. |
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