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Shebee
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.08 10:50:00 -
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Edited by: Shebee on 08/07/2010 10:50:12 So basically, I have 2 displays and I have both EVE clients (Both own installs) running in window mode, I've relocated both of the windows with EveMon, so that it kind of looks full screen.
My problem is that, particularly on the second display, my fps will drop from 60 to 30 almost at certain intervals. It can't be my CPU or GPU since they both aren't running nearly at 100% load, not even 50%.
Here are my specs: Windows 7 64-bit Professional Phenom 2 x4 965 @ 3.8GHz (I tried clocking to stock) Radeon 5870 @ 935/1250 (I tried clocking to stock) 4GB 1600MHz DDR3 RAM (8-8-8-24 timings) 890GX-Chipset motherboard
There are my main specs, I left soundcard etc. out because they won't matter anyway.
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InDiCa LoVeR
Caldari Knights of the Silver Dawn Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.08 10:54:00 -
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Edited by: InDiCa LoVeR on 08/07/2010 10:53:56 nvm
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Grez
M. Corp Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.08 21:10:00 -
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Turn off v-sync, and set the second client to run on the secondary render output (tick advanced, and then select the second virtual graphics card from the menu - that's the second monitor render). ---
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Shebee
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.09 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Grez Turn off v-sync, and set the second client to run on the secondary render output (tick advanced, and then select the second virtual graphics card from the menu - that's the second monitor render).
I can't turn off vsync, and I already have those renders selected.
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Wintz
Sudden Buggery
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Posted - 2010.07.09 13:40:00 -
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I multibox on two displays similar to you, each separate install set to each use a different core on my GTS 250. Over the past 18 or so months, I've found the best windowed positions that don't slow the FPS. I run XP 32-bit, therefore it may be different for Windows 7 entirely, but it may be worth a shot for you.
For both clients I grab the bottom most part of the window's handle and get it as high as possible, so the bottom doesn't get clipped off. As for horizontal positioning, I set the left client's right border to be exactly on the right edge of the screen. The right one is set all the right monitor as expected, but the left border has one pixel's width from the right monitor's left edge.
Screenshot Link Below. You can see the one pixel's spacing in the UltraMon generated taskbar on the right monitor at the bottom.
Any other horizontal positioning of the right client lags it. With this both clients get FPS dancing at the V-Synch max of 60.
http://sietchtabr.com/Pictures/WindowedPositions.PNG
Hope this helps.
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Shebee
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.09 17:00:00 -
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I can't position my windows like that in Windows 7.
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Sargine North
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Posted - 2010.07.10 13:49:00 -
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I was able to reproduce that issue when using the Present Interval: Interval immediate. Works fine with Interval one.
Maybe this helps.
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Shebee
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.10 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sargine North I was able to reproduce that issue when using the Present Interval: Interval immediate. Works fine with Interval one.
Maybe this helps.
I already have it set to interval one.
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Kuea
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Posted - 2010.07.11 01:56:00 -
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Edited by: Kuea on 11/07/2010 01:57:12
Originally by: Shebee I can't position my windows like that in Windows 7.
Do you mean that windows 7 auto-positions the window so that the boarder at the top is shown?
Then you need to enable this option:
http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/1007/Window7windows.png
Control Panel -> Ease of Access -> Make it easier to focus on tasks (bottom) -> Prevent windows from being automatically arranged when moved to the edge of the screen.
Also, have you tried turning off windows Aero (transparent windows)?
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Grez
M. Corp Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.11 03:17:00 -
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Edited by: Grez on 11/07/2010 03:20:05 When I say turn off V-sync, I mean set Interval to Immediate.
Interval One is why this issue is happening. Use Immediate or Default. One is forced true V-sync, and will half your sync rate with the monitor should your machine fail to render EXACTLY 60 frames per second. This is how v-sync works, and why most gamers suggest turning it off.
With V-sync on, if your machine fails to meet your monitor refresh rate, it'll half the render so that it can sync properly with the RAMDAC's on the GPU.
V-sync is only there to stop screen tearing. If you don't get this, or don't notice it - leave Interal set to Immediate. If you have heat problems, then your problems lie deeper, and you will need to solve your cooling issue before you try to solve this. ---
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David Grogan
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.11 23:38:00 -
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oh how i love that nvidia card multi box eve soooooooooooooooooooo much better than ati cards
work pc struggles to multibox with 2x clients on an ati5470 hd 1gb ddr 5 card
old gamer pc with nvidia 8500gt 512mb card runs 4 clients with no major issues. SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P |
Grez
M. Corp Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.12 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: David Grogan oh how i love that nvidia card multi box eve soooooooooooooooooooo much better than ati cards
work pc struggles to multibox with 2x clients on an ati5470 hd 1gb ddr 5 card
old gamer pc with nvidia 8500gt 512mb card runs 4 clients with no major issues.
I can run 7 clients on my 5550. Not sure what you're on about, but it smells like bull****. ---
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Shebee
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.12 19:47:00 -
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I've been playing around with the settings in game, it seems eve just can't utilize my GPUs full potential.
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Muffcobb
737 Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.07.14 06:52:00 -
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I am having what seems to be the same issue as OP only with nvidia GPUs. I just upgraded from vista ultimate to win7 and now I cannot dual box the way I could before. On vista I used Interval One for both clients and had 60fps on both clients smooth as silk. Now if I try to dual box I get 15-30 fps on both. With single client, Interval one set, it runs perfect on either video card.
I attempted to use Interval Immediate and actually got good (over the top actually) fps, but then had thermal issues. I am seriously considering reloading vista..... :( I thought it might be that I needed to roll back the drivers as I got 257.21 up from 197.45, but I have looked around and found people having this problem on a variety of systems and hardware.... System: Asus P6T i7 920 (stock speed) nvidia 280GTX & nvidia 9800GT 6 Gigs Corsair Ram
Someone told me that some WOW dudes where having similar issues and Blizzard said they needed to fix WOW for win7, but I don't play WOW so I don't know if that correlates.... Has CCP said anything on the subject?
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Bedaliba Sarum
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Posted - 2010.07.14 08:00:00 -
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Quote: I can run 7 clients on my 5550. Not sure what you're on about, but it smells like bull****.
Macro much?
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Muffcobb
737 Incorporated Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.07.15 06:05:00 -
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As an update, I am now running one of my clients in Interval Immediate using the 9800GT and one of them in Interval One using the 280GTX and that solved my heat problem. I think the 280 runs hot normally and was heating up the motherboard when the frames were uncapped. So I capped the 280 and uncapped the 9800. By doing it this way, the uncapped client runs upwards of 200FPS and the capped client runs smoothly at 60FPS. So it is not exactly what I'm looking for, but it does solve the low framerate problem without pushing the heat.... -Muffcobb |
Shebee
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.16 13:55:00 -
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My problem is that I only have one GPU :(
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Stori Crawford
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Posted - 2010.07.18 15:57:00 -
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Turn off Windows Aero....
See here for the reasoning... apparently ATI mucked up 2D acceleration in Radeon 4/5xxx cards...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/2d-windows-gdi,2539-9.html
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Muffcobb
737 Incorporated Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.07.19 07:22:00 -
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Thanks Stori Crawford. That was it. I went to a basic theme on Windows 7 and now I can run both clients using Interval One at 60FPS, smooth as silk!!! -Muffcobb |
Grez
M. Corp Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.19 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: Grez on 19/07/2010 11:30:22
Originally by: Stori Crawford Turn off Windows Aero....
See here for the reasoning... apparently ATI mucked up 2D acceleration in Radeon 4/5xxx cards...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/2d-windows-gdi,2539-9.html
Only has issues with drawing lines in 2D, not 2D in general (of which was fixed in a later driver release). I'm still going to say Interval One is the problem due to everyone here stating the magic v-sync numbers (60, 30, 15, etc). Vsync will half your frame output due to sync issues with the RAMDAC's which is why you see FPS go from 60, to 30, to 15, and so on. You'll need to disable vsync (and cool your system better), or run with default which will render three frames per refresh (max), instead of just the one per refresh. ---
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Rootax
Gallente International Research Labs Ltd.
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Posted - 2010.07.19 15:16:00 -
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I think it's a mix between WDDM 1.1, Vsync, and dual-monitor issues.
But i blame WDDM 1.1, since Vista (wddm 1.0 i believe ?) didn't have this issue...
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Grez
M. Corp Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.19 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Rootax I think it's a mix between WDDM 1.1, Vsync, and dual-monitor issues.
But i blame WDDM 1.1, since Vista (wddm 1.0 i believe ?) didn't have this issue...
I'd agree, except I'm running Windows 7 with Aero, and it's perfect. ---
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Othran
Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.07.20 10:53:00 -
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Edited by: Othran on 20/07/2010 10:53:43
Originally by: Muffcobb Edited by: Muffcobb on 15/07/2010 06:06:47 I am having what seems to be the same issue as OP only with nvidia GPUs. I just upgraded from vista ultimate to win7 and now I cannot dual box the way I could before. On vista I used Interval One for both clients and had 60fps on both clients smooth as silk. Now if I try to dual box I get 15-30 fps on both. With single client, Interval one set, it runs perfect on either video card.
Same really, dual GTX280M here. I think its more to do with running dual monitors AND having SLI going at the same time, which points at a driver issue/WDM issue. I have had both clients running on Win7 at the same rate (60FPS) with a previous set of drivers but they had significant issues with DPC latency.
The NVidia drivers still have some DPC latency problems in some instances with SLI running anyway - I think this is more to do with how Nvidia hands off the processing from the integrated graphics (9400M) to the discrete graphics (GTX280M) but I digress.
I turned SLI off and it seems a bit more consistent. Eve doesn't need SLI here anyway - can run two clients (1440x900 & 1680x1050) without a problem. Still get a dip on the frame rate of the client that hasn't got window focus, but its not apparent to the eye.
Just in case you haven't tried, do make sure the Power Management option for Eve on the NVidia control panel is set to "Prefer Maximum Performance". If that is set to "Adaptive" then the frame rates will be all over the shop.
HTH but I suspect it won't.
Edit - makes no odds here whether Aero is enabled or not.
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R'SMP
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Posted - 2010.07.21 10:45:00 -
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Disabling desktop transparency will solve this issue.
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Tar om
Minmatar Octavian Vanguard
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Posted - 2010.07.28 18:29:00 -
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Turning off aero and using a basic desktop worked for me! -- Come join the carebear napfest train, everyone is welcome! |
Qui Shon
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Posted - 2010.08.25 19:45:00 -
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Thanks for the thread guys. Dual nvidia cards, dual monitor, W7, multiple windowed clients = <20 fps. Only switched to basic theme and presto, back to 60 fps.
Cheers.
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