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Pookoko	Posted - 2010.07.09 08:58:00 - [1] I've read somewhere recently that C3 anomalies are doable in Sleipnir, and I already had the ship sitting around in the hangar so I thought I'd give it a go. I managed to clear 1 site, Outpost Frontier Stronghold, but found it rather hard and actually needed a few warpouts. :p The main problem was tanking the 2 BS spawn with both of them webbing, which seemed to make me take full damages from Sleeper missiles. So my questions are, 1. Is burst tank using X-Large booster plausible for Sleipnir solo C3? 2. If not, should I downgrade to large/smaller size deadspace boosters and aim for sustainable tank? What kind of figure should I aim to achieve? 3. Any fit suggestions for C3 solo Sleipnir? Here's the one I used today (mainly to stay cheap just to try out first, but also because of CPU issues) Highs: AC 425mm IIs Meds: MWD, named T1 X-Large booster, web, 2x Invul Lows: 2x Gyro, 2x TE, 1 DCU Rigs: Anti-Kinetic rig Core-defence capacitor safeguard with this I get all resists at around 77%+. Thanks in advance for your help PS: Cost is an issue, because if Sleipnir needs too much isk-investment to make it viable then I may as well get a Loki :p
israus	Posted - 2010.07.09 10:43:00 - [2] you will be taking full damage if you have that mwd on and are webbed. your sig rad will be through the roof and you won't have the speed to negate it. as for the tank not got time to play about with eft right now to have a look at it, but with wormholes its always been my experience you get a tank that is cap stable then you work on the dps. you don't want to be left borderline with a tank you can't perma run in W space
SFX Bladerunner Minmatar Bite me inc.	Posted - 2010.07.09 12:33:00 - [3] Originally by: Pookoko I've read somewhere recently that C3 anomalies are doable in Sleipnir, and I already had the ship sitting around in the hangar so I thought I'd give it a go. I managed to clear 1 site, Outpost Frontier Stronghold, but found it rather hard and actually needed a few warpouts. :p The main problem was tanking the 2 BS spawn with both of them webbing, which seemed to make me take full damages from Sleeper missiles. So my questions are, 1. Is burst tank using X-Large booster plausible for Sleipnir solo C3? 2. If not, should I downgrade to large/smaller size deadspace boosters and aim for sustainable tank? What kind of figure should I aim to achieve? 3. Any fit suggestions for C3 solo Sleipnir? Here's the one I used today (mainly to stay cheap just to try out first, but also because of CPU issues) Highs: AC 425mm IIs Meds: MWD, named T1 X-Large booster, web, 2x Invul Lows: 2x Gyro, 2x TE, 1 DCU Rigs: Anti-Kinetic rig Core-defence capacitor safeguard with this I get all resists at around 77%+. Thanks in advance for your help PS: Cost is an issue, because if Sleipnir needs too much isk-investment to make it viable then I may as well get a Loki :p Get a loki. Sleip CAN do C3s but only with faction kit (and possibly gist booster) effectively and you'd still need an alt to haul, loot+salvage and/or scan. __________________________________________________ History is much like an endless waltz, the three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever..
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.07.09 12:46:00 - [4] Originally by: Pookoko may as well get a Loki :p
Pookoko	Posted - 2010.07.09 14:24:00 - [5] thanks for the inputs. It was more of a lazy conversion from a PvP fit, just changing the disruptor to web & cap booster to another invul. :p It seems Loki is the way to go (could do Legion too but somehow more drawn towards Loki...)
Cosmic Rainbow	Posted - 2010.07.09 14:42:00 - [6] Edited by: Cosmic Rainbow on 09/07/2010 14:42:32 The Sleip will work but you need to change your loadout. Something like this would work: High's 1X Empy slot (fill as desired - some people report NOS/Neut works vs NPC reppers - not sure about this) 7X425 amm Autocannon II's (note some people prefer the 220's for the frig's but I prefer the range of the 425's myself) Mid's Cap recharger II Shield boost Amplifier II Pith B-Type Large SHield Booster Dread Guristas Invulnerability field X2 Low's Power Diagnostic System II Capacitor Flux Coil II X2 Gyrostabalizer II Rig's Medium Capacitor Control Circuit X2 It will tank just over 1k dps. Its Cap stable, and with decent skills has around 400 dps. Drones: 8X Warrior II's/ or w/e you want. Some times I use ECM drones.
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.07.09 15:38:00 - [7] Originally by: Cosmic Rainbow Pith B-Type Large SHield Booster Dread Guristas Invulnerability field X2 And therein lies the point where you simply switch to a loki. Loki can probably do it cheaper and more effectively.
Cosmic Rainbow	Posted - 2010.07.09 15:48:00 - [8] Originally by: XXSketchxx Originally by: Cosmic Rainbow Pith B-Type Large SHield Booster Dread Guristas Invulnerability field X2 And therein lies the point where you simply switch to a loki. Loki can probably do it cheaper and more effectively. Loki for sure could do it. The question is the investment? (Oh the numbers, I wish I had access to the numbers! @ work :( ) xxSketchXX if you have access - can you cost out a similar Loki fit and build and then post the cost of the new Loki fit and build vs the Pith B-type and the Dread Guristas Invuln's? If its cheaper to get a Loki - definately do it, but Im not sure that the Loki would be cheaper with the fit than just getting a couple faction mods in the fit I posted above.
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.07.09 16:01:00 - [9] Originally by: Cosmic Rainbow xxSketchXX if you have access - can you cost out a similar Loki fit and build and then post the cost of the new Loki fit and build vs the Pith B-type and the Dread Guristas Invuln's? If its cheaper to get a Loki - definately do it, but Im not sure that the Loki would be cheaper with the fit than just getting a couple faction mods in the fit I posted above. taking lunch in a moment, but I'll see what I can come up with afterward...the A-type Booster is like 400 mil so I imagine the B-type is about 300 and the DG Invulns are like 375. I am fairly certain a loki with similar stats (probably more DPS/tracking/benfefits of cruiser), will cost similar or less (between the Sleipnir cost and the 3 mods I mentioned, that fit is about 1.2 billion). I'll get back to you
Corelich	Posted - 2010.07.09 16:40:00 - [10] Edited by: Corelich on 09/07/2010 16:41:21 Originally by: XXSketchxx the A-type Booster is like 400 mil so I imagine the B-type is about 300 and the DG Invulns are like 375. I am fairly certain a loki with similar stats (probably more DPS/tracking/benfefits of cruiser), will cost similar or less (between the Sleipnir cost and the 3 mods I mentioned, that fit is about 1.2 billion). I'll get back to you The Pith B-type is about 100-120 million.
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.07.09 17:14:00 - [11] Originally by: Corelich The Pith B-type is about 100-120 million. Thanks. Only just started looking at Pith large boosters and went straight for the X-type as its really not that expensive As for the loki fit. Was having trouble getting a decent fit due to stupid cpu problems, so went to battleclinic () for a look. Found a setup with dual small pith boosters that should work just fine: Quote: Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II Invulnerability Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster 10MN Afterburner II 425mm AutoCannon II,EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II,EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II,EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II,EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II,EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II,EMP M Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array 538 Dps tank with 150m signature. 515 Gun DPS, more if you upgrade to faction gyros. 25m3 Drone bay to taste (I prefer ECM drones). Not a very expensive fit at all and should do C3s fine. Swap the afterburner for more tank (shield boost amp probably) for sites you are webbed to nothing. Spare high slot for unbonused missile launcher or utility (ranged tractor, bonused launcher, or salvager).
Cosmic Rainbow	Posted - 2010.07.09 17:28:00 - [12] Originally by: XXSketchxx Originally by: Corelich The Pith B-type is about 100-120 million. Thanks. Only just started looking at Pith large boosters and went straight for the X-type as its really not that expensive As for the loki fit. Was having trouble getting a decent fit due to stupid cpu problems, so went to battleclinic () for a look. Found a setup with dual small pith boosters that should work just fine: Quote: Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II Invulnerability Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster 10MN Afterburner II 425mm AutoCannon II,EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II,EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II,EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II,EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II,EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II,EMP M Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array 538 Dps tank with 150m signature. 515 Gun DPS, more if you upgrade to faction gyros. 25m3 Drone bay to taste (I prefer ECM drones). Not a very expensive fit at all and should do C3s fine. Swap the afterburner for more tank (shield boost amp probably) for sites you are webbed to nothing. Spare high slot for unbonused missile launcher or utility (ranged tractor, bonused launcher, or salvager). Thanks. any idea how much dps it can tank? Also - do we have an approximate cost?
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.07.09 17:38:00 - [13] Originally by: Cosmic Rainbow Thanks. any idea how much dps it can tank? Originally by: XXSketchxx 538 Dps tank with 150m signature. Quote: Also - do we have an approximate cost? The hull + subsystems + T2 rig is about 550mil. The boosters are each about 100 mil as far as I could find via sell orders forum. So 800 mil with T2 fit and deadspace boosters?
Cosmic Rainbow	Posted - 2010.07.09 17:46:00 - [14] I put the following together: Low's Damage Control II Republic Fleet Gyrostabalizer X3 Mid's Invulernability field II X2 Shield Boost Amplifier II Pith B-Type Large Shield Booster 10mn Afterburner II (this one is debatable for me whether I would included it as you get webbed so often...) Cap recharger II High's 425mm Autocannon IIX5 (Barrage M) Empty High Slot (fill as desired) Rigs: Medium Capacitor Control Circuit X3 -Cap Stable (with sub systems at V and decent cap skills) -Tanks 879 DPS -DPS - All skills at V - 497. More realistic for your average gun skilled character would be around 440-450 ish dps. -Cost? No idea. Faction Gyro's were due to CPU issues.
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.07.09 18:02:00 - [15] Originally by: Cosmic Rainbow I put the following together: Low's Damage Control II Republic Fleet Gyrostabalizer X3 Mid's Invulernability field II X2 Shield Boost Amplifier II Pith B-Type Large Shield Booster 10mn Afterburner II (this one is debatable for me whether I would included it as you get webbed so often...) Cap recharger II High's 425mm Autocannon IIX5 (Barrage M) Empty High Slot (fill as desired) Rigs: Medium Capacitor Control Circuit X3 -Cap Stable (with sub systems at V and decent cap skills) -Tanks 879 DPS -DPS - All skills at V - 497. More realistic for your average gun skilled character would be around 440-450 ish dps. -Cost? No idea. Faction Gyro's were due to CPU issues. Faction gyros are like 60-70 mil I think (really not sure, but this sounds right) and as stated that booster is 120 mil? So actually your fit is slightly less DPS, but a heavier tank. Honestly a 500 DPS tank with the sig that the loki has should be fine, especially if the ab can run. If more tank is needed your fit would do well too. It really comes down to if the heavier DPS setup can manage, and if it can, go with that as it means faster site completion. In terms of isk and utility, the setups are pretty equal. To the op: Get a loki
Cosmic Rainbow	Posted - 2010.07.09 18:10:00 - [16] Originally by: XXSketchxx Originally by: Cosmic Rainbow I put the following together: Low's Damage Control II Republic Fleet Gyrostabalizer X3 Mid's Invulernability field II X2 Shield Boost Amplifier II Pith B-Type Large Shield Booster 10mn Afterburner II (this one is debatable for me whether I would included it as you get webbed so often...) Cap recharger II High's 425mm Autocannon IIX5 (Barrage M) Empty High Slot (fill as desired) Rigs: Medium Capacitor Control Circuit X3 -Cap Stable (with sub systems at V and decent cap skills) -Tanks 879 DPS -DPS - All skills at V - 497. More realistic for your average gun skilled character would be around 440-450 ish dps. -Cost? No idea. Faction Gyro's were due to CPU issues. Faction gyros are like 60-70 mil I think (really not sure, but this sounds right) and as stated that booster is 120 mil? So actually your fit is slightly less DPS, but a heavier tank. Honestly a 500 DPS tank with the sig that the loki has should be fine, especially if the ab can run. If more tank is needed your fit would do well too. It really comes down to if the heavier DPS setup can manage, and if it can, go with that as it means faster site completion. In terms of isk and utility, the setups are pretty equal. To the op: Get a loki Yes - very comparable. If he has the Sleip already tho, it might be more cost effective to just grab a couple faction pieces. Up to him. Either way, it will be a nice ship that can grab some loot in a C3 :)
Pookoko	Posted - 2010.07.10 12:11:00 - [17] wow thatnks a lot guys, this discussion was exactly what I looked forwrad to. I played around with EFT and yes, I came up with fits that could tank 500dps+ both for Sleipnir and Loki, but Loki probably tanks more due to sig radius advantage. I'll have to check the contracts when I can log on next time and calculate ISK for the fits you guys suggested, and it's really matter of which one is more effective really. Again, thanks for yur inputs.
Wayay Bonnylad	Posted - 2010.07.11 06:57:00 - [18] Anyone considered using a Claymore for solo C3 work? It has a better tank than the Sleipnir, but at the cost of DPS. [Claymore, C3 Solo?] 5x 425mm AutoCannon II (Fusion M) 2x 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I (Hellfire Assault Missile) Salvager I 10MN Afterburner II 2x Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Invulnerability Field II 2x Shield Boost Amplifier II Damage Control II 3x Gyrostabilizer II 2x Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I 5x Warrior II 3x Warrior II can permatank 643 omni (469 on pure kinetic as lowest resist) and pushes out 495 DPS. 240m sig radius and flies at a shade under 500 m/s. Personally, I am preparing a Loki for solo C3 work, but thought I would ask the question as a cheaper option. * my figures.
Headerman	Posted - 2010.07.11 08:57:00 - [19] Why not get some good drone skills, and fill your drone bay with cheap warrior 1's, and use them as diversions for the sleepers while you lay into them? Fit as many as possible, so when one dies, deploy another And could try fitting some Defender missiles?
Pookoko	Posted - 2010.07.12 08:38:00 - [20] ok, after taking some tips from here, I put together a cheap Sleipnir setup to run C3 anomalies. I haven't done any professional sites yet, but i hear they are harder so not sure how this setup would live up in those sites. In any case, for C3 anomalies I can confirm that following setup works fine. A bit low on DPS, and cap is not stable (over 7 minutues without salvager) but it's enough. [Sleipnir, Domi Large] Damage Control II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Gyrostabilizer II Shadow Serpentis 10MN Afterburner Domination Large Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Salvager I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Tanks 551 DPS omni, and does 348 DPS with barrage (no drones/Medium AC specialisation at 4). There was no specific reason for using Domination Large shield booster & shadow serp AB except that I had those laying around. :p I fiddled around for a bit on EFT and, with Pithum B-Type Medium you can get 590 tank (but has room for 1 more gyro+ 1 TE) with dual Pithi B-type small you get 548 tank and same low slot configuration as my posted fit (if you're going for cap stability). My conclusion is that 1 Domination Large shield booster actually achieves better result than dual Pithi B-type, but Pithum B-Type is definitely a worthwhile upgrade as it gets slightly better tank+free up 2 capacitor flux coils to fit extra gyro/TE. However, after completing 3 anomalies with my setup I feel like I could've probably achieved similar result with a Drake. :p My missile skills are meh though so I'm not sure if you can achieve similar DPS/Tank at the same time with Drake though. Anyways, I hope this helps whoever else may have been interested in using Sleip. PS: yes, Claymore would have better tank but from my experience 550 DPS omni tank was enough for Sleipnir. I'll update whether this setup works ok in professional sites too once i get around to try them.
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.07.12 18:57:00 - [21] Originally by: Pookoko with Pithum B-Type Medium you can get 590 tank (but has room for 1 more gyro+ 1 TE) This item is in the database but not in-game. Its 350 mil C-type or 1.2 billion A-type for the mediums .
Sydian Rie Minmatar Black Aces AAA Citizens	Posted - 2010.07.13 15:04:00 - [22] Edited by: Sydian Rie on 13/07/2010 15:05:46 1,100dps omni-tank : 300 - 500dps damage High: 7x Medium Howitzer II Salvager II Medium: Pith x-Type Large Shield Booster 2x Dread Guristas Invuln Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amp Republic Fleet 10mn Afterburner Low: True Sansha Power Diagnostic Damage Control II 3x Capacitor Flux Coil II Rigs: 2x Medium Cap Control Circuit Cap stable @ 490m/s doing around 500dps with Fusion. This setup will tank class 3 & 4 as long as you are moving. Lastly, it's not really that expensive. When I plex with this setup I'll switch an invuln for a dread specific hardener and sometimes switch the dc II for a gyro.
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.07.13 15:45:00 - [23] Originally by: Sydian Rie Edited by: Sydian Rie on 13/07/2010 15:05:46 1,100dps omni-tank : 300 - 500dps damage High: 7x Medium Howitzer II Salvager II Medium: Pith x-Type Large Shield Booster 2x Dread Guristas Invuln Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amp Republic Fleet 10mn Afterburner Low: True Sansha Power Diagnostic Damage Control II 3x Capacitor Flux Coil II Rigs: 2x Medium Cap Control Circuit Cap stable @ 490m/s doing around 500dps with Fusion. This setup will tank class 3 & 4 as long as you are moving. Lastly, it's not really that expensive. When I plex with this setup I'll switch an invuln for a dread specific hardener and sometimes switch the dc II for a gyro. Sleipnir: 200 mil Pith X-type Booster: 330 mil 2x DG invuln: 800 mil DG SBA: 95 mil RF AB: 50 mil TS PDS: 25 mil 2x T2 CCC: 100 mil Total: 1.6 billion All that for low DPS and overtank for C3, undertanked for C4 and definitely not enough DPS for breaking RR in C4. Sorry, try again
Wayay Bonnylad	Posted - 2010.07.13 18:32:00 - [24] I have been trying out Loki and Sleipnir fits in our C3 over the last few days. I ran three of the easiest anomoly (Stronghold), the first in the Loki and the next two in the Sleip. What I found was the Loki can tank it much easier, but the lower DPS really does tell when it comes to taking down the Sleeper BSs. On the other hand, I have to warp the Sleipnir out on the last spawn - I can take out the 4 x frigs, but by then the incoming DPS while being uber-webbed has me down to 1/3 shield so I warp out to renew shields before warping back in to finish the two BS off. On balance, I prefer to go in with the Sleipnir. I don't like sitting in a Loki in a WH plinking away at a BS for ages and ages - too tempting a target for roaming PVPers. I would rather have to warp out once, but have the heavier DPS and relative cheaper ship that comes with the Sleipnir. My fit: [Sleipnir, Lvl 4s] 7x 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II (EMP M) Medium Nosferatu II Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner 2x Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster 2x Invulnerability Field II Damage Control II Tracking Enhancer II 3x Gyrostabilizer II 2x Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I 5x Warrior I 3x Warrior I Since NOS has no effect on Sleepers it is there in case someone has a go at me. Unleash the Warrior Is to distract the heavy DPS of the BS rats. After the first trial with the Loki I didn't even try using a Claymore since its DPS is even lower. I have near perfect gunnery skills and the Loki Offensive module at V, so it is not a case of needing to train up more. There are two ways I will get more out of the Loki: a. Start trading off some tank for more gank, and by then you are getting down to being an expensive Sleipnir. b. Start fitting ridiculously expensive Deadspace modules and become an even more attractive Killmail.
Sydian Rie Minmatar Black Aces AAA Citizens	Posted - 2010.07.13 19:42:00 - [25] Edited by: Sydian Rie on 13/07/2010 19:43:23 Originally by: XXSketchxx Originally by: Sydian Rie 1,100dps omni-tank : 300 - 500dps damage High: 7x Medium Howitzer II Salvager II Medium: Pith x-Type Large Shield Booster 2x Dread Guristas Invuln Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amp Republic Fleet 10mn Afterburner Low: True Sansha Power Diagnostic Damage Control II 3x Capacitor Flux Coil II Rigs: 2x Medium Cap Control Circuit Cap stable @ 490m/s doing around 500dps with Fusion. This setup will tank class 3 & 4 as long as you are moving. Lastly, it's not really that expensive. When I plex with this setup I'll switch an invuln for a dread specific hardener and sometimes switch the dc II for a gyro. Sleipnir: 200 mil Pith X-type Booster: 330 mil 2x DG invuln: 800 mil DG SBA: 95 mil RF AB: 50 mil TS PDS: 25 mil 2x T2 CCC: 100 mil Total: 1.6 billion All that for low DPS and overtank for C3, undertanked for C4 and definitely not enough DPS for breaking RR in C4. Sorry, try again I don't have any troubles in WH3 or 4. Web frigs insta pop at 25km away and the bs' go down pretty fast doing 2000 - 3200 per volley. Not to mention you can hold 4 med drones. BTW 1.6 bill isn't that much when you can make that in 2-3 days time.

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