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Raho Ure
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Posted - 2010.07.09 12:42:00 -
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Edited by: Raho Ure on 09/07/2010 12:43:04
From time to time I probe out an EXIT back to low-sec. Usually on scan there are approx 30 SIGS.
What I have been doing in the past is inputing all the SIGS into Excel, and scanning each one out one at a time, labling it until I locate the EXIT WH.
Now this process usually takes me round 40 mins to 1hr. Is there a faster way?
My WH exit usually disappears during DT, what if I broke the WH in the middle of the day? would this change the cycle?
My probing skills are quite high 4/5 for all related skills. And am using Sisters equipment.
Any ideas?
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Tolis Irithel
Northstar Cabal
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.07.09 13:12:00 -
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Regarding your timings. Other than getting quicker at scanning, I can't really recommend much, apart from one thing I've noticed from recent scanning myself.
I can actually tell, or at least heavily narrow down, the sigs that might be the exit WH, based on the signal strength of early hits. Anything that's way high, or way low, tends not to be a WH.
(For reference, of the last 18 WHs I scanned, the initial strength was between 2.5% and 3% on a spread of 5 sisters probes. My skills suck compared to yours, so your %s would be higher.)
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Caterpillar Sunshine
Minmatar
The Wild Bunch
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Posted - 2010.07.09 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Caterpillar Sunshine on 09/07/2010 13:19:07
Assuming nothing has changed in the last eight months (it's been eight months since I lived in w-space):
- Download this excel spreadsheet.
- Input your skills and equipment.
- Check the value for a 'Target Size' of 10, using a DSSP at 256 AU.
- Drop a DSSP and set range to maximum.
- Hit 'Scan'.
- Remove all signatures with a %age not equal to the value you found in #3.
If nothing has changed in the last eight months, all wormholes will have a 'Target Strength' of 10. By using a DSSP at maximum range, the distance of the probe from the signature will have a negligible effect on the hit %age, thus you'll be able to compare it to the spreadsheet easier.
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Raho Ure
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Posted - 2010.07.09 13:57:00 -
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I dont seem to have the skill 'Astrometric Triangulation' neither does EVE.
Do i need to use a Deep Space Scanner Probe? Im using Sister Core Scanner Probes.
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Caterpillar Sunshine
Minmatar
The Wild Bunch
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Posted - 2010.07.09 14:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Raho Ure
I dont seem to have the skill 'Astrometric Triangulation' neither does EVE.
Do i need to use a Deep Space Scanner Probe? Im using Sister Core Scanner Probes.
It may have been renamed to Astrometric Acquisition?
And yes, you can use a Sisters Core Scanner Probe, but there will be some variance between the value shown on the spreadsheet and the value you get, as the range between the target and the probe will have a large impact on the hit %age.
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rowbin hod
Cloak and Daggers
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Posted - 2010.07.09 14:12:00 -
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Astrometric Rangefinding
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Raho Ure
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Posted - 2010.07.09 14:20:00 -
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So, I set my probes to do a scan of the entire system at 32 au range. I then look at the spreadsheet on what a WH % should be. I then start 'narrowing down' the closest %. And should find the WH.
As you said it will be different as Im not using a DSSP. But is this the correct method?
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AltBitch
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Posted - 2010.07.09 15:39:00 -
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couple tips I picked up to help speed up the process.
Drop a bunch of core probes or combat probes to at their highest setting to cover all the planets by a good margin, 1 scan will give you all the signatures in the system. (i guess a single deep space scanner probe would work too, but I don't use those)
Hold-down Shift while moving a probe, all probes move together <- big time saver
Select all probes in your scanning screen (where it shows the time remaining), you can change ranges for the group by right-clicking on the selected group, rather than 1 at a time. <- medium time saver
Put your probes at 4AU and in a + pattern on the same plane as the system celestial orbits. Then do a scan at each planet. You should be able to quickly eliminate some of the signatures as the easy ones will pop up as ladar or grav or radar right off the bat. Sometimes it helps to raise the probes above or below the plane of the system a little to catch any high or low sigs.
Your static exit will have a known duration, 12-16-24 hours...etc. If you never close it early, and that duration happens to occur around down-time, you'd need to break that routine by closing it early at some other point. Remember, just because the signature ID on the scanning table changes at downtime, doesn't mean it's a different wormhole. All the signature IDs change at downtime. Bookmark your WH one time before DT and warp back there the next day. It might be there but just under a different signature ID.
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XXSketchxx
Gallente
Remote Soviet Industries
Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.07.09 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Alt*****
Bookmark your WH one time before DT and warp back there the next day. It might be there but just under a different signature ID.
Alternatively, drop a single probe at minimum AU around your bookmark from the previous day and scan. Result? Its still there. No result? Delete bookmark.
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Aandaan
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Posted - 2010.07.09 17:59:00 -
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Edited by: Aandaan on 09/07/2010 17:59:14
What class of WH are you in?
What are all the sigs?
If they are ladar/grav and you don't care about them, you can get rid of them by starting the timer on them by warping to them. In 3 to 4 days they will despawn and you will have less sigs in your system to scan down.
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khazak mokl
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Posted - 2010.07.09 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Caterpillar Sunshine
Edited by: Caterpillar Sunshine on 09/07/2010 13:19:07
Assuming nothing has changed in the last eight months (it's been eight months since I lived in w-space):
- Download this excel spreadsheet.
- Input your skills and equipment.
- Check the value for a 'Target Size' of 10, using a DSSP at 256 AU.
- Drop a DSSP and set range to maximum.
- Hit 'Scan'.
- Remove all signatures with a %age not equal to the value you found in #3.
If nothing has changed in the last eight months, all wormholes will have a 'Target Strength' of 10. By using a DSSP at maximum range, the distance of the probe from the signature will have a negligible effect on the hit %age, thus you'll be able to compare it to the spreadsheet easier.
This is inncorrect. Not all whs are size 10. they range from 2.2 up to size 10.
Although statistically most whs you find will be size 10.
Why is this? each WH has a ID ie M267 which has a size of 2.2 but the reverse side of this WH will be a K162 which are always size 10s.
So that means that you have all the whs id's that are naturally size 10 plus all the K162 sides of all the WHs in the entire game which will also be size 10. You will find more WHs scanning for size 10s just not all of them.
I hope this helps
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.09 19:32:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 09/07/2010 19:35:53
Scan daily. Start by placing say 1 au group on a bookmark. If sig is gone, delete bookmark. If sig has changed, then update. Anything else is new and has to be completely scanned down.
I tend to name things:
1. Bookmark
2. Add in any additional info
3. Add in type: LADAR RADAR MAG GRAV ANOM
4. Press HOME and enter sig ID: ( XXX-NNN )
This gives a nice sortable list by sig ID.
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Cosmic Rainbow
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Posted - 2010.07.09 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Raho Ure
Edited by: Raho Ure on 09/07/2010 12:43:04
From time to time I probe out an EXIT back to low-sec. Usually on scan there are approx 30 SIGS.
What I have been doing in the past is inputing all the SIGS into Excel, and scanning each one out one at a time, labling it until I locate the EXIT WH.
Now this process usually takes me round 40 mins to 1hr. Is there a faster way?
My WH exit usually disappears during DT, what if I broke the WH in the middle of the day? would this change the cycle?
My probing skills are quite high 4/5 for all related skills. And am using Sisters equipment.
Any ideas?
Ive had much the same problem. At present, I cant seem to find any real consistency, but then again I havent been recording it. Perhaps its time.
It would help if CCP would keep the encoding scheme for each cosmic signature in the WH the same each time you scan it down. Each time its a new set of "random" characters and thus I have to re-scan everything. Irritating.
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Cosmic Rainbow
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Posted - 2010.07.09 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Tau Cabalander
Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 09/07/2010 19:43:52
Scan daily. Start by placing say 1 au group on a bookmark. If sig is gone, delete bookmark. If sig has changed, then update. Anything else is new and has to be completely scanned down.
I tend to name things:
1. Bookmark
2. Add in any additional info
3. Add in type: LADAR RADAR MAG GRAV ANOM
4. Press HOME and enter sig ID: ( XXX-NNN )
This gives a nice sortable by sig ID list of bookmarks.
After sharing bookmarks with corp members, they've realized how much easier this makes handling bookmarks, and adopted the same style.
Re: Scanning the BM's first - brilliant idea - cant believe it didnt occur to me. Question for you though - do you then edit the BM tags? From my experience Ive noticed that each day the Sig ID changes.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.09 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 09/07/2010 21:06:08
Originally by: Cosmic Rainbow
Question for you though - do you then edit the BM tags? From my experience Ive noticed that each day the Sig ID changes.
Yes (hence I stated they need to be updated). The ID is recorded mainly if you need to scan twice or more on the same day, say for the hisec wormhole you just popped. Knowing the IDs allows one to quickly ignore all the other known sigs. Optionally you can add a date to the bookmark if you don't scan daily or leave them in a hangar for others.
I don't re-scan wormholes, as they typically only last 1 day or less. I start the day be deleting all the previous wormhole bookmarks. Then I drop a single probe that covers the system to see how many sigs I have to deal with. Anomalies can also be bookmarked at this time.
Bookmarks can be hard to see (grey), but covering a system with a single probe tends to make the bookmark stand out (white).
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