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JTDaBeast	Posted - 2010.07.12 03:14:00 - [1] Personally I really enjoy this element of the game. You can decide how fast you want to train on certain skills. Learning skills are like educational levels. Some HS dropouts don't pick up as quickly as say people with their Master's Degree. You don't have to go to college to live and play, but if you do then better for you. If not, then oh well. . . it's your life. Also, I don't see why you can't just squeeze one or two in a month. It couldn't hurt. You can get all the initial learning skills to level 3, and still be able to play the game. New players need to stop crying about this (I'm a new player mind you). It's no different than any other role playing game. What ever happened to the good ole fashioned games where you had to sit outside of a town for hours, or days, just to get enough Gold Pieces to buy that "All Powerful Weapon". Or the mindless thrashing of random battles just to get your character up to level 99. It's all part of the game. If the learning skills are for you. . .then train them. If not, then shut up and train something else already. JT
Guttripper Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2010.07.12 08:15:00 - [2] /me supports this thread! thumbs up
Regis Nex	Posted - 2010.07.12 08:37:00 - [3] Edited by: Regis Nex on 12/07/2010 08:37:21 Its like eating peanuts before studying.... My old man said it makes you remember things a lot better +1 to Learning skillz. Booboo Bear Pew Pew
Reais Minmatar Lynx Frontier Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.12 09:04:00 - [4] I disagree. So, -1. Let skills provide specialization. Skills that everyone should train, like learning skills, shouldn't take time to get through. Method (1) Give everyone the benefit of lvl5 in all learning skills (just boost attributes). (2) Refund SP all those who have invested SP in to learning skills (in the same amount as they've expended). Benefits: Everyone Wins (a) Old Dogs like me get tons of SP for free (5.3 mill more ACTUAL SKILLS will be nice to have). (a) Mid-Guys get a refund and get to speed up their training to match with the old dogs like me. (c) New guys don't have to spend a month (months really) to train as fast as others.
Guttripper Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2010.07.12 10:15:00 - [5] Originally by: Reais Let skills provide specialization. Skills that everyone should train, like learning skills, shouldn't take time to get through. Therefore the Rank one and two skills should automatically be given too, since most, if not all pilots train them up to specialization level (equivalent to five). A combat pilot never trains Gunnery to five. An exploration pilot never trains Survey to five. A mining pilot never trains Mining to five. A socialite pilot never trains Social to five. A trader pilot never trains Trade to five. Oh look - all rank one skills! Let's give them away too, since training takes time and can't be wasting time on foolishly simple skills. But x type of pilot does not need y type of skill - the same can be said for the Learning skills. They're an option and not mandatory. But what the hell do I know - just a cranky old vet pushing to get the Learning skill removed and NOBODY have any bonus attributes.
Jasdemi	Posted - 2010.07.12 10:16:00 - [6] OP: Alt-troll, suggesting nonsense Poster1: Alt-troll, doesn't know what "it's" talking about Poster2: Alt-troll supporting brainless idea Poster3: Good boy, with healthy thoughts Only two valid posts in this thread. Pathetic. =-=-=-=-= REMOVE LEARNINGS, FFS!
JTDaBeast	Posted - 2010.07.12 11:35:00 - [7] Originally by: Jasdemi OP: Alt-troll, suggesting nonsense Poster1: Alt-troll, doesn't know what "it's" talking about Poster2: Alt-troll supporting brainless idea Poster3: Good boy, with healthy thoughts Only two valid posts in this thread. Pathetic. I'm no troll. Not even sure what you mean by that, but either way. Why refund the SP and do away with the skills? If you've taken the time to train them to 5/5, then you obviously must have known you'll be playing this game for a long time. My point is, you don't "need" to train them. If you don't like them then don't train them. I just don't see why people think this will turn people away from playing the game. There are implants you can get too, if you don't want to train "learning" skills. My point is they don't need to change this, IT IS PART OF THE GAME. Just train them and be done, or just be done. JT
Pantload Gallente The Underpants Gnomes Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2010.07.12 13:57:00 - [8] Originally by: JTDaBeast Originally by: Jasdemi OP: Alt-troll, suggesting nonsense Poster1: Alt-troll, doesn't know what "it's" talking about Poster2: Alt-troll supporting brainless idea Poster3: Good boy, with healthy thoughts Only two valid posts in this thread. Pathetic. I'm no troll. Not even sure what you mean by that, but either way. Why refund the SP and do away with the skills? If you've taken the time to train them to 5/5, then you obviously must have known you'll be playing this game for a long time. My point is, you don't "need" to train them. If you don't like them then don't train them. I just don't see why people think this will turn people away from playing the game. There are implants you can get too, if you don't want to train "learning" skills. My point is they don't need to change this, IT IS PART OF THE GAME. Just train them and be done, or just be done. JT Click on Jasdemi's picture and follow some of his recent posts. You wanna see some world class forum trolling, he's your man. He wants the welfare plan attribute handout that's been proposed in the running threadnaught in this section of the forum. Understand he's selfish and only interested in his getting a free bonus. Aside from that, he roams from thread to thread irritating people. It's part of his plot to try to get his way or annoy as many people as possible along the way. TUG: The Underpants Gnomes. Buy Corps here
Jasdemi	Posted - 2010.07.12 14:16:00 - [9] You, learning lovers are selfish. You don't want to allow new players to have an easier start in this harsh and boring universe(due to learnings). You're afraid that they'll catch up with you and pwn you in pvp and are jealous that you/we had such a hard start. Don't worry, the older players still have more experience (not sure if you do, though), so noobs won't kill them so easily, just because they're closer with skills. That's what you think. You don't want to see new people joining EVE. You don't want to see EVE grow. You don't want CCP to grow. You learning lovers are contra-productive for EVE, CCP and the whole community. =-=-=-=-= REMOVE LEARNINGS, FFS!
Pantload Gallente The Underpants Gnomes Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2010.07.12 14:33:00 - [10] Originally by: Jasdemi You, learning lovers are selfish. You don't want to allow new players to have an easier start in this harsh and boring universe(due to learnings). You're afraid that they'll catch up with you and pwn you in pvp and are jealous that you/we had such a hard start. Don't worry, the older players still have more experience (not sure if you do, though), so noobs won't kill them so easily, just because they're closer with skills. That's what you think. You don't want to see new people joining EVE. You don't want to see EVE grow. You don't want CCP to grow. You learning lovers are contra-productive for EVE, CCP and the whole community. This is what I'm talking about with the non-stop trolling. Everything you've just claimed could not possibly be more wrong. I've never said any of those things. You have. Your words don't even come close to being an accurate reflection of my beliefs on this issue. Your words almost remind of a lot of bitter old racists. Just substitute a racial epithet in place of the word learning and your words are exactly like that. TUG: The Underpants Gnomes. Buy Corps here

Jasdemi	Posted - 2010.07.12 14:39:00 - [11] Originally by: Pantload Originally by: Jasdemi You, learning lovers are selfish. You don't want to allow new players to have an easier start in this harsh and boring universe(due to learnings). You're afraid that they'll catch up with you and pwn you in pvp and are jealous that you/we had such a hard start. Don't worry, the older players still have more experience (not sure if you do, though), so noobs won't kill them so easily, just because they're closer with skills. That's what you think. You don't want to see new people joining EVE. You don't want to see EVE grow. You don't want CCP to grow. You learning lovers are contra-productive for EVE, CCP and the whole community. This is what I'm talking about with the non-stop trolling. Everything you've just claimed could not possibly be more wrong. I've never said any of those things. You have. Your words don't even come close to being an accurate reflection of my beliefs on this issue. Your words almost remind of a lot of bitter old racists. Just substitute a racial epithet in place of the word learning and your words are exactly like that. I wasn't talking about you, nor I quoted you. Stop feeling so important already. =-=-=-=-= REMOVE LEARNINGS, FFS!
JTDaBeast	Posted - 2010.07.12 14:56:00 - [12] Originally by: Jasdemi You, learning lovers are selfish. You don't want to allow new players to have an easier start in this harsh and boring universe(due to learnings). You're afraid that they'll catch up with you and pwn you in pvp and are jealous that you/we had such a hard start. Don't worry, the older players still have more experience (not sure if you do, though), so noobs won't kill them so easily, just because they're closer with skills. That's what you think. You don't want to see new people joining EVE. You don't want to see EVE grow. You don't want CCP to grow. You learning lovers are contra-productive for EVE, CCP and the whole community. "they'll catch up with you and pwn you in pvp". . . seriously. What is there to catch up on. Level 5 is level 5 and that's it. There is nothing to catch up on. Train for the ship of your choice, fit it out, and that's that. Vet player's can't "OVERFIT" a Frigate any different than a newb can once the skills are at V. So I don't get it. You clearly aren't making a point here.
Vexidious	Posted - 2010.07.12 15:04:00 - [13] CCP has already stated (on video) that they think that the learning skills were a bad idea, and that they are actively looking for a way to get rid of them that is fair and minimally disruptive. The problem is that it is difficult to attract new players when they find out that for the first two months that they subscribe, the best thing for them to do is train all the learning skills and go play Counterstrike instead of Eve. (And at least one of the Devs actually did this.)
Jasdemi	Posted - 2010.07.12 15:07:00 - [14] Originally by: Vexidious CCP has already stated (on video) that they think that the learning skills were a bad idea, and that they are actively looking for a way to get rid of them that is fair and minimally disruptive. The problem is that it is difficult to attract new players when they find out that for the first two months that they subscribe, the best thing for them to do is train all the learning skills and go play Counterstrike instead of Eve. (And at least one of the Devs actually did this.) inb4 "They never said it" replies. =-=-=-=-= REMOVE LEARNINGS, FFS!
Pantload Gallente The Underpants Gnomes Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2010.07.12 15:14:00 - [15] Originally by: Jasdemi Originally by: Vexidious CCP has already stated (on video) that they think that the learning skills were a bad idea, and that they are actively looking for a way to get rid of them that is fair and minimally disruptive. The problem is that it is difficult to attract new players when they find out that for the first two months that they subscribe, the best thing for them to do is train all the learning skills and go play Counterstrike instead of Eve. (And at least one of the Devs actually did this.) inb4 "They never said it" replies. CCP Soundwave made a remark that he had done something like that when he started a new character. I'd wager that he and others at CCP wish that the discussion had not come up in that way because it has caused a HUGE problem. Anti-learning skill crowd has seized on this as its rallying point. CCP has not made an official statement that the learning skills are slated to be removed soon. And goddamnit, Jasdemi, can you contribute anything useful to this? TUG: The Underpants Gnomes. Buy Corps here
Jasdemi	Posted - 2010.07.12 15:19:00 - [16] Originally by: Pantload Originally by: Jasdemi Originally by: Vexidious CCP has already stated (on video) that they think that the learning skills were a bad idea, and that they are actively looking for a way to get rid of them that is fair and minimally disruptive. The problem is that it is difficult to attract new players when they find out that for the first two months that they subscribe, the best thing for them to do is train all the learning skills and go play Counterstrike instead of Eve. (And at least one of the Devs actually did this.) inb4 "They never said it" replies. CCP Soundwave made a remark that he had done something like that when he started a new character. I'd wager that he and others at CCP wish that the discussion had not come up in that way because it has caused a HUGE problem. Anti-learning skill crowd has seized on this as its rallying point. CCP has not made an official statement that the learning skills are slated to be removed soon. And goddamnit, Jasdemi, can you contribute anything useful to this? It's been so hot lately, I don't really feel like contributing anything at all, sorry. =-=-=-=-= REMOVE LEARNINGS, FFS!
zoe starchild	Posted - 2010.07.12 15:48:00 - [17] Originally by: Vexidious CCP has already stated (on video) that they think that the learning skills were a bad idea, and that they are actively looking for a way to get rid of them that is fair and minimally disruptive. The problem is that it is difficult to attract new players when they find out that for the first two months that they subscribe, the best thing for them to do is train all the learning skills and go play Counterstrike instead of Eve. (And at least one of the Devs actually did this.) Nice troll, 9/10 for your effort it pretty sad you guys that want the learniong skills gone keep pointing back to soundwaves one quote.
Jasdemi	Posted - 2010.07.12 15:50:00 - [18] Edited by: Jasdemi on 12/07/2010 15:51:31 Originally by: zoe starchild Originally by: Vexidious CCP has already stated (on video) that they think that the learning skills were a bad idea, and that they are actively looking for a way to get rid of them that is fair and minimally disruptive. The problem is that it is difficult to attract new players when they find out that for the first two months that they subscribe, the best thing for them to do is train all the learning skills and go play Counterstrike instead of Eve. (And at least one of the Devs actually did this.) Nice troll, 9/10 for your effort it pretty sad you guys that want the learniong skills gone keep pointing back to soundwaves one quote. Said a freshly created trolling account. =-=-=-=-= REMOVE LEARNINGS, FFS!
THE SOP	Posted - 2010.07.12 16:09:00 - [19] Originally by: Jasdemi Edited by: Jasdemi on 12/07/2010 15:51:31 Originally by: zoe starchild Originally by: Vexidious CCP has already stated (on video) that they think that the learning skills were a bad idea, and that they are actively looking for a way to get rid of them that is fair and minimally disruptive. The problem is that it is difficult to attract new players when they find out that for the first two months that they subscribe, the best thing for them to do is train all the learning skills and go play Counterstrike instead of Eve. (And at least one of the Devs actually did this.) Nice troll, 9/10 for your effort it pretty sad you guys that want the learniong skills gone keep pointing back to soundwaves one quote. Said a freshly created trolling account. Potkettelblack Good day to you sir.
Jennifer Fenring Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.12 16:11:00 - [20] Pff another "learning skills thread"? Please stop this! Or post in the main thread, what if everyone made a new post "I'm new and in favour of/against"? -10

zoe starchild	Posted - 2010.07.12 16:16:00 - [21] Originally by: Jennifer Fenring Pff another "learning skills thread"? Please stop this! Or post in the main thread, what if everyone made a new post "I'm new and in favour of/against"? -10 Why Jennifer? we seem to be coming to the core of the issue you support one quote from soundwave.
Jasdemi	Posted - 2010.07.12 16:22:00 - [22] Originally by: THE SOP Originally by: Jasdemi Edited by: Jasdemi on 12/07/2010 15:51:31 Originally by: zoe starchild Originally by: Vexidious CCP has already stated (on video) that they think that the learning skills were a bad idea, and that they are actively looking for a way to get rid of them that is fair and minimally disruptive. The problem is that it is difficult to attract new players when they find out that for the first two months that they subscribe, the best thing for them to do is train all the learning skills and go play Counterstrike instead of Eve. (And at least one of the Devs actually did this.) Nice troll, 9/10 for your effort it pretty sad you guys that want the learniong skills gone keep pointing back to soundwaves one quote. Said a freshly created trolling account. Potkettelblack Good day to you sir. Why thank you. =-=-=-=-= REMOVE LEARNINGS, FFS!
Pantload Gallente The Underpants Gnomes Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2010.07.12 16:27:00 - [23] Originally by: Jennifer Fenring Pff another "learning skills thread"? Please stop this! Or post in the main thread, what if everyone made a new post "I'm new and in favour of/against"? -10 The only thing you've ever said that I could agree with. This all belongs in the main thread on the subject. To everyone else here: Watch this Fenring broad. She will contribute about as much Jasdemi ( so nothing ). She is either a very new, very bitter player with an inflated sense of entitlement and an overwhelming need for instant gratification or a troll alt of someone who's too chicken** to post on their main. Either of those is extremely disgusting. TUG: The Underpants Gnomes.** Buy Corps here
Jasdemi	Posted - 2010.07.12 16:37:00 - [24] Originally by: Pantload Either of those is extremely disgusting. Agree, 90% of all learning supporters are posting with alts. This is truly disgusting. =-=-=-=-= REMOVE LEARNINGS, FFS!
JTDaBeast	Posted - 2010.07.12 16:40:00 - [25] For the record. I'm not an alt. This is my only character, and I am a big fan of this game. I just see so many negative threads for this particular topic and thought it would be fair (especially to newer players like me) to see some kind of positive look on the learning skills (like keep them). I think the game is fine the way it is right now. IMO. If you don't like this thread, feel free to bypass. JT
THE SOP	Posted - 2010.07.12 16:44:00 - [26] I am a new player also JT(less thn 12 months) and I thank you for making this thread,I agree with you 100%.
Pantload Gallente The Underpants Gnomes Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2010.07.12 16:49:00 - [27] Originally by: Jasdemi Originally by: Pantload Either of those is extremely disgusting. Agree, 90% of all learning supporters are posting with alts. This is truly disgusting. Utterly baseless statement. Show me any proof the I or any of the other Anti-Anti-learning crowd is an alt. Please. I want to see it. It would be interesting if it is true. I suspect however that your "fact" came from the same place you get all your "facts". You ass. To the OP: Yes. Good. Thank you. It is truly possible to just play this game and not be a whiner about it. TUG: The Underpants Gnomes. Buy Corps here
sophiaeu	Posted - 2010.07.12 17:09:00 - [28] Finishing clarity v in 2 days I am stoked.
Reldor Silverheart Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.12 17:21:00 - [29] I am a supporter myself for the learning skills, however a thought to quell some of the hatred against them would be possibly lower the advanced learning skills to a x2 multiplier. They wouldn't take as long to train and many of the whiners would possibly be content. However, i do not know how it would be solved with those that has trained them to 5 allready, perhaps reimburse the points difference between the x2 and x3 ranks. Just throwing the idea out really. But i support them because they show you are willing to invest in the game long term, it's hard to know the first two months usually if you want to invest long term in this game tho. And a FYI : this is my main, about 4-5 months old.

CCP Adida C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.12 17:36:00 - [30] Locking as a duplicate topic. Adida Community Rep CCP Hf, EVE Online




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