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R3aliti
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Posted - 2010.07.13 09:29:00 -
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CCP Please take note of this.
With Hulkageddon in full force of course we are not in our Hulks out mining. I have also noticed other things going on - I have taken to scanning about 16 different systems since we can't mine. What I have noticed is that there are about 1/2 the normal population of players in every one of these systems. The population of negative security people in these systems has almost doubled. The concept of ôThe large Sandboxö has been taken over by the playground bully's and most of the EVE population is not coming out to play because of this. Yes I totally understand that EVE is all about destroy-blowup-death and destruction to ALL û however if you suppress the players that are feeding the EVE economy your game will FAIL . I am getting very tired of this mentality and as a player who has been here since day one of public release and two beta tests before that I am getting weary of this crap. PLEASE do something about this it is getting old and VERY tiring.
[07:19:43] R3aliti > WOW the place id empty - what happened mass gank? [08:50:07] R3aliti > Downright OPRESSIVE <b><url=showinfo:1380//1597834069>Jones Bones</url></b> <b><url=showinfo:1383//1652753993>Lady Lard</url></b> <b><url=showinfo:1377//157132975>tanium</url></b> Just haveing you in system is making people play the game YOU want [08:50:23] R3aliti > them to - GANKERS ! [08:51:43] R3aliti > This is not fun as a game SHOULD be
R3
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Cozmik R5
Minmatar Chaosstorm Corporation Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2010.07.13 15:59:00 -
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Edited by: Cozmik R5 on 13/07/2010 16:00:06 In before move to C&P.
Hulkageddon is actually a BOON for the economy as not only do you miners have to replace your oh so precious barges, but us participants have to replace ships and ammo as well. Do you realize how much ISK some industrialists are making off the event?
Also, Hulkageddon is a reminder to EVERYONE that New Eden is not always a safe place, even in 1.0 systems. It's a reminder that people should be paying attention to what they are doing instead of playing the game AFK the majority of the time. I've seen plenty of very quiet systems where ninja-mining could be very well done by a miner intelligent enough to watch Local and his D-scanner.
So please, cry more. We just love it ____________________
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Ehnea Mehk
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.13 16:51:00 -
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R3aliti, it depends on each player. Some have chosen to try something new instead of mining (exploration, PvP, etc). Others, like ourselves, are mining but are being smart about it. We're using bursts and probes instead of the larger ships. We have to work a little harder but it is fun getting into these frigates and we are getting things done.
It's all about about adaptability. Those who adapt will still see the fun in EVE Online.
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Captain Yifan
Shadows Of The Requiem Everto Rex Regis
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Posted - 2010.07.13 17:56:00 -
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I fully second the above statement, but I like to add:
Some of us, knowing that we are actively targeted, still decide to undock our precious hulk and mackinaw with civilian shield boosters, empty mid slots, cargohold expanders anyway. We believe that we have a divine right in EvE to play the way we wanted without interference, and we believe we are entitled to maximum profit at all times and whoever denies us that is a ******* scumbag and must be a evil, crazy and despicable person in real life.
We dont believe in the EULA stating that all the stuffs in game belongs to CCP, we believe it belongs to us, and whoever takes it from us is like taking candy away from a baby and must be at least a playground bully in real life.
in case your sarcasm detector is broken or shot out by some gankers, buy a new one in Jita.
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Krzt Kratznotztius
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Posted - 2010.07.14 09:14:00 -
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Well, one thing is certain, Hulkageddon did not make me more interrested in pvp, nor did it give me an itch to explore or mine in low sec. To be honest, I don't think I ever want to go there anymore. That's where these strange creatures, called gankers, dwell when it's not a miners holiday.
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Edith Bunker
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Posted - 2010.07.14 13:17:00 -
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IMHO Hulkageddon style programs totally blow and basically make a mockery of EVE. If it happened every month I would cancel both of my accounts. I have four characters with appreciable skills, two industry and two PVP. Primarily I consider myself a ship builder and I dont like to buy ore so I acquire it myself which means I'm basically shut down during these Tim McVeigh styled events. I've been PVPing in the mean time but its not my preference in the game.
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Cozmik R5
Minmatar Chaosstorm Corporation Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2010.07.14 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Edith Bunker IMHO Hulkageddon style programs totally blow and basically make a mockery of EVE. If it happened every month I would cancel both of my accounts. I have four characters with appreciable skills, two industry and two PVP. Primarily I consider myself a ship builder and I dont like to buy ore so I acquire it myself which means I'm basically shut down during these Tim McVeigh styled events. I've been PVPing in the mean time but its not my preference in the game.
Wow... just, wow... ____________________
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Axemaster
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Posted - 2010.07.14 17:07:00 -
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Hey carebears, read this. And think a little.
The only people hurt by this stuff are the people who can't find anything else to do in Eve. So who is hurt by Hulkageddon?
Miners Haulers - but only those haulers who would get suicide ganked anyway because they carry too much isk in weak ships.
The solution? DON'T MINE DURING HULKAGEDDON!!!
Instead, try hooking up with a corp and jump in a frig. Fly around with a bunch of guys in frigs, blow something up in lowsec. Or better yet, jump in cruisers. It's tremendous fun. Really. (But don't bring anything worth more than 15m is you're new to PVP, otherwise rage will ensue)
Or go plexing. Or missioning. Or any of the literally dozens of things you can do in Eve besides mining and hauling.
Most of which are best done with friends. Friends are truly the KEY to enjoying Eve.
HULKAGEDDON IS YOUR VACATION TIME.
When I joined the game over two years ago, I spent about 2 months mining. In fact, I still have the skills to fly a hulk!
I haven't mined in two years. I'm not bored.
Put on your sunglasses and enjoy yourself.
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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2010.07.14 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: R3aliti ôThe large Sandboxö has been taken over by the playground bully's
I hope you're not trying to insult the CCP guys here, as that sandbox is still under command of them and their ruling!
And just in case some people do wonder: CCP is _NOT_ your mommy.
"Bully" Noobships vs. Hulk
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Tara34
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Posted - 2010.07.14 18:28:00 -
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Sure CCP is not our mommy but you made another good point....they are incontrol of the "sandbox" and with that being said, if enough people want something enough like stopping hulkageddon, then they have to listen or lose hundreds maybe thousands of accounts. its not about playing smarter and its not about cryin about it its about what the people want and there are tons that feel the same as R3. CCP gave you low sec so you can blow eachother up why come harrass the people in empire that dont want to play that way? i do and will continue to mark anyone thats ganking or griefing and post in local when i see them or and the stupid scammers too they can go f*ck themselfs with the .10 isk i give them to make fun of their stupidity. So go ahead and go off on how WRONG I AM and i'll just sit here and laugh because i have the right to my opinion and so does R3 and you have the right to have yours dont mean that i give a sh*t about yours Thanks for caring enough for reading my rants smiles evegirl Tara
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THE PINGAS
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Posted - 2010.07.15 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: R3aliti CCP Please take note of this.
With Hulkageddon in full force of course we are not in our Hulks out mining. I have also noticed other things going on - I have taken to scanning about 16 different systems since we can't mine. What I have noticed is that there are about 1/2 the normal population of players in every one of these systems. The population of negative security people in these systems has almost doubled. The concept of ôThe large Sandboxö has been taken over by the playground bully's and most of the EVE population is not coming out to play because of this. Yes I totally understand that EVE is all about destroy-blowup-death and destruction to ALL û however if you suppress the players that are feeding the EVE economy your game will FAIL . I am getting very tired of this mentality and as a player who has been here since day one of public release and two beta tests before that I am getting weary of this crap. PLEASE do something about this it is getting old and VERY tiring.
[07:19:43] R3aliti > WOW the place id empty - what happened mass gank? [08:50:07] R3aliti > Downright OPRESSIVE <b><url=showinfo:1380//1597834069>Jones Bones</url></b> <b><url=showinfo:1383//1652753993>Lady Lard</url></b> <b><url=showinfo:1377//157132975>tanium</url></b> Just haveing you in system is making people play the game YOU want [08:50:23] R3aliti > them to - GANKERS ! [08:51:43] R3aliti > This is not fun as a game SHOULD be
R3
Originally by: Edith Bunker IMHO Hulkageddon style programs totally blow and basically make a mockery of EVE. If it happened every month I would cancel both of my accounts. I have four characters with appreciable skills, two industry and two PVP. Primarily I consider myself a ship builder and I dont like to buy ore so I acquire it myself which means I'm basically shut down during these Tim McVeigh styled events. I've been PVPing in the mean time but its not my preference in the game.
Originally by: Tara34 Sure CCP is not our mommy but you made another good point....they are incontrol of the "sandbox" and with that being said, if enough people want something enough like stopping hulkageddon, then they have to listen or lose hundreds maybe thousands of accounts. its not about playing smarter and its not about cryin about it its about what the people want and there are tons that feel the same as R3. CCP gave you low sec so you can blow eachother up why come harrass the people in empire that dont want to play that way? i do and will continue to mark anyone thats ganking or griefing and post in local when i see them or and the stupid scammers too they can go f*ck themselfs with the .10 isk i give them to make fun of their stupidity. So go ahead and go off on how WRONG I AM and i'll just sit here and laugh because i have the right to my opinion and so does R3 and you have the right to have yours dont mean that i give a sh*t about yours Thanks for caring enough for reading my rants smiles evegirl Tara
u mad? PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PING |
Omega Jade
Takahashi Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.15 13:40:00 -
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lol ,, this is realy funny , like the guy said , yes , you have your rights , and yes , the gankers are coming to empire , as a former pirate , yes it is funny how the players react to you when you blow there ships up . On the other side , i was also a victim of a Hulkageddon this week , (lost 2 mackies) , BUT , i am sad , as to when i pulled out my Slipnir i didnt get to kill his buddy who was doing the salvaging , nor was i abill to to take a shot to his pod , as he ran from me and some of my corp members , and then logged off , 6 jumps later .
I am in full support of the Hulkageddon , and i fully understand the pain of having to replace the lost ships , But people , remember This is a only game So have fun
Regards OmegaVirex
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Krzt Kratznotztius
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Posted - 2010.07.15 14:59:00 -
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Edited by: Krzt Kratznotztius on 15/07/2010 14:59:34
Originally by: Axemaster
Instead, try hooking up with a corp and jump in a frig. Fly around with a bunch of guys in frigs, blow something up in lowsec. Or better yet, jump in cruisers. It's tremendous fun. Really. (But don't bring anything worth more than 15m is you're new to PVP, otherwise rage will ensue)
Nah, I rather loosen my greyish ponytail, jump into a nice and slow hauler, put on Free Bird on my cassette deck and go on a nice long trip through high sec and lost memories. Some of us are truly far out there, and there's always room for more people in those places
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Degan Vegan
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Posted - 2010.07.15 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Cozmik R5 Edited by: Cozmik R5 on 13/07/2010 16:00:06 In before move to C&P.
Hulkageddon is actually a BOON for the economy as not only do you miners have to replace your oh so precious barges, but us participants have to replace ships and ammo as well. Do you realize how much ISK some industrialists are making off the event?
Also, Hulkageddon is a reminder to EVERYONE that New Eden is not always a safe place, even in 1.0 systems. It's a reminder that people should be paying attention to what they are doing instead of playing the game AFK the majority of the time. I've seen plenty of very quiet systems where ninja-mining could be very well done by a miner intelligent enough to watch Local and his D-scanner.
So please, cry more. We just love it
That's the same kind of flawed reasoning that led to the broken window fallacy.
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Cozmik R5
Minmatar Chaosstorm Corporation Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2010.07.16 05:32:00 -
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Originally by: Degan Vegan
Originally by: Cozmik R5 Edited by: Cozmik R5 on 13/07/2010 16:00:06 In before move to C&P.
Hulkageddon is actually a BOON for the economy as not only do you miners have to replace your oh so precious barges, but us participants have to replace ships and ammo as well. Do you realize how much ISK some industrialists are making off the event?
Also, Hulkageddon is a reminder to EVERYONE that New Eden is not always a safe place, even in 1.0 systems. It's a reminder that people should be paying attention to what they are doing instead of playing the game AFK the majority of the time. I've seen plenty of very quiet systems where ninja-mining could be very well done by a miner intelligent enough to watch Local and his D-scanner.
So please, cry more. We just love it
That's the same kind of flawed reasoning that led to the broken window fallacy.
Start explaining... ____________________
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Vak Keelin
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Posted - 2010.07.16 07:09:00 -
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A good game is based on balance. Risk vs. reward, power vs. power. For the most part, EVE has done it very well, but people will always be looking for an angle. Hulkageddon has revealed a problem in that the losses incurred by the Gankers are far less then that of even an insured Hulk. The solution? Increase the insurance payout so that the miner can replace his ship without feeling like he has to go bankrupt. Problem solved.
The one thing I do dislike is the attitude among gankers that if someone doesnÆt like it they should find something else to do. It's like they just don't understand the concept that some people just don't like PvP. That is a truly arrogant and immature mindset, indeed it is the mind set of a bully.
I donÆt mind combat for a reason, to defend a home system or for principle, but to want to ruin someoneÆs day just because I can? That seemsà.childish.
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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2010.07.16 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tara34 CCP gave you low sec so you can blow eachother up
And they gave us CONCORD, too. They did not choose to jam weapons in highsec. So CCP gave you 100% security in stations and nowhere else.
> if enough people want something enough [..], then they have to listen
Let's get rid of mining lazors! They are hurting rocks! And CCP has to listen to us when enough people want something! Don't you agree?!
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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2010.07.16 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Vak Keelin A good game is based on balance. Risk vs. reward, power vs. power. For the most part, EVE has done it very well
Reread what you said here ^.
Originally by: Vak Keelin Hulkageddon has revealed a problem in that the losses incurred by the Gankers are far less then that of even an insured Hulk.
Let's rephrase it like this: Hulkageddon demonstrates that there are situations where attackers have a very high chance of loosing way less than the party getting attacked.
This will happen as there are pilots not properly weighting risk versus possible reward.
But as a matter of fact the game doesn't force you to mine in an unarmed vessel. It's a human error to not properly weight risk vs reward:
"I am invincible in my cargo expanded weaponless mining death star hulk and I want to get richer faster as macromining permits! That's why I don't need friends around! That's why i don't need enhanced armor! If I get killed I will blame God for his bad work!".
Originally by: Vak Keelin The solution? Increase the insurance payout so that the miner can replace his ship without feeling like he has to go bankrupt. Problem solved.
By the very same logic you could ask for a CCP side refund for every ship lost at some gatecamp to "not having to feel like going bankrupt".
Your logic lacks. Not even to mention "Don't fly what you can't afford to loose" once again.
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Frieg Vostroyan
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Posted - 2010.07.16 19:22:00 -
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Before I get started, I am a miner and I'm not against Hulkageddon.
The argument made that miners should just do something else for a week is a stupid one. Forcing someone to play the game in a way that they don't want to isn't fair, however complaining when someone else(the ganker) is playing the game the way they want to you is just plain wrong.
Simply, miners have the right to mine and anyone that wants to has the right to shoot them. For CCP to stop either with a game mechanic would be a great injustice. Welcome to the sand box folks.
I do feel that there are some changes that could be made to help balance it a bit. Mining ships in general should have more tanking ability than they do. Not enough to save them from a good gank but enough to let them live a bit longer to get help if they have friends near by or to get lucky with some ECM drones. That being said, the extra tank should go hand in hand with a decrease in mining yield.
Any miners out there would are sad pandas.. maybe you should switch to an insurable ship like the covetor or maybe set up traps for gankers. If everyone was smart and was up on current events then the only people killed by hulkageddon would be the macro users, which would make everyone happy.
FYI.. I'm mining in WH currently. ABCs, no Concord, but less gankers (for at least 1 week of the year. Risk vs. Reward.
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Tara34
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Posted - 2010.07.16 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Vak Keelin A good game is based on balance. Risk vs. reward, power vs. power. For the most part, EVE has done it very well, but people will always be looking for an angle. Hulkageddon has revealed a problem in that the losses incurred by the Gankers are far less then that of even an insured Hulk. The solution? Increase the insurance payout so that the miner can replace his ship without feeling like he has to go bankrupt. Problem solved.
The one thing I do dislike is the attitude among gankers that if someone doesnÆt like it they should find something else to do. It's like they just don't understand the concept that some people just don't like PvP. That is a truly arrogant and immature mindset, indeed it is the mind set of a bully.
I donÆt mind combat for a reason, to defend a home system or for principle, but to want to ruin someoneÆs day just because I can? That seemsà.childish.
i totally agree with you! it is childish and nothing but bullies can understand their reasoning behind their behavior if they even think about their actions at all. And to fight for a reason not to grief someone just because they can thats also my mindset and i'm glad that someone else sees that too. Really, is it that fun to blow up a ship that cant even fight back, its pathetic
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Lead Pipe
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.16 21:30:00 -
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It really shows how much of a loser someone is for them to feel big about killing a defenseless ship and then say "You should do something else for a while." How would you feel if CCP decided to pick a week and only allow mining? Would you say "OK" and start mining? No, you'd cry and whine about how you can't go ganking to make your manhood feel bigger. I view gankers in hi-sec the same way I do suicide bombers claiming to be doing it for their religion. In essence that's all hi-sec gankers are: terrorists, and pussies. Before you ask, yes I got my Hulk blown up and yes I'm ****ed about it. I was even more ****ed when I couldn't get a lock fast enough with my battleship when the prick undocked. I choose to not engage in PVP because it's not something I want to do. I mine because it's peaceful, makes me isk, and used to be relatively safe.
_________________________________________ Build a man a fire, keep him warm for a little while. Set a man on fire, keep him warm for the rest of his life! |
Xonk
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Posted - 2010.07.16 21:47:00 -
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Well,
Finally someone that makes sense. I am not crying, nor complaining, just stating that if this game is supposed to be a "sandbox", then we should be able to do what we want, without fear of getting ganked. BUT...since it's a cruel galaxy, we have to do what we can to stay protected. For as long as I have played this game, and have been mining, it seems the industrial people get the short end of the stick. We have been asking for YEARS to get a better mining ship, that can be defended, and fight back. We got the ORCA, which is a glorified transport/command ship. Then the Rorqual, which can only be used in low/null sec, and is a flying station.
I too, enjoy mining. I an not into PvP, but I can and will defend myself if need be. My corp mates are the same. I am a person who likes to relax, get my 'roids targeted, and mine away, and make about 1 million ISK per run.
There was a subject (now locked) if which someone mention that a HULK pilot deserves to die using no mid, cargo expanders, etc. What I would like to know, is how can I fit it for pvp? The only bonus we get is for the strip miners, and the rest of the cap and, etc, really suck. If someone wants to get as much ore as possible per run, then of course we will fit it like that!
So, perhaps we need to make our voices heard to CCP, that we WANT and/or demand, and new mining ship! Or, perhaps we should all go on strike! lol.
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Cozmik R5
Minmatar Chaosstorm Corporation Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2010.07.17 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: Lead Pipe How would you feel if CCP decided to pick a week and only allow mining?
Easy: I'd take a break off EVE and play rFactor or flight sims. And maybe do unspeakable things with my girlfriend
And about relative safety, well, relative safety is relative. Figure it out. ____________________
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Vak Keelin
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Posted - 2010.07.17 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Cozmik R5
Originally by: Lead Pipe How would you feel if CCP decided to pick a week and only allow mining?
Easy: I'd take a break off EVE and play rFactor or flight sims. And maybe do unspeakable things with my girlfriend
And about relative safety, well, relative safety is relative. Figure it out.
Thats true, and I'm sure there are many miners out there considering that option with their loved one. Of course, that's really not going to help EVE much.
EVE is a buisness, and the most important thing for any buisness is to keep their customers happy. Equalising the playing field will do that.
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Pajama Sam
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.07.17 02:21:00 -
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Originally by: Lead Pipe How would you feel if CCP decided to pick a week and only allow mining? Would you say "OK" and start mining?
That's entirely different from what Hulkageddon is. No one is telling anyone that they can't mine.
Also:
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Vak Keelin
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Posted - 2010.07.17 02:35:00 -
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Edited by: Vak Keelin on 17/07/2010 02:35:59
Originally by: Lederstrumpf
Originally by: Vak Keelin A good game is based on balance. Risk vs. reward, power vs. power. For the most part, EVE has done it very well
Reread what you said here ^.
Originally by: Vak Keelin Hulkageddon has revealed a problem in that the losses incurred by the Gankers are far less then that of even an insured Hulk.
Let's rephrase it like this: Hulkageddon demonstrates that there are situations where attackers have a very high chance of loosing way less than the party getting attacked.
This will happen as there are pilots not properly weighting risk versus possible reward.
But as a matter of fact the game doesn't force you to mine in an unarmed vessel. It's a human error to not properly weight risk vs reward:
"I am invincible in my cargo expanded weaponless mining death star hulk and I want to get richer faster as macromining permits! That's why I don't need friends around! That's why i don't need enhanced armor! If I get killed I will blame God for his bad work!".
Originally by: Vak Keelin The solution? Increase the insurance payout so that the miner can replace his ship without feeling like he has to go bankrupt. Problem solved.
By the very same logic you could ask for a CCP side refund for every ship lost at some gatecamp to "not having to feel like going bankrupt".
Your logic lacks. Not even to mention "Don't fly what you can't afford to loose" once again.
I see that reasonable thought is not your forteÆ
Banning mining lasers, comparing the losses of a group of players who mind their own affairs (miners) against those who willingly travel in low/null sec?
Both are extremely weak and basically illogical arguments put forward by someone who wants to justify their own anti-social behavior.
ItÆs actually very pathetic when you think about it.
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DeadNite
Caldari Inquisition Industries LLC
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Posted - 2010.07.17 04:17:00 -
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I say just make mining lasers damage ships as well. Let them do about as much damage as a ship that size would be capable of. That way they can fit a mild tank and do some DPS. The trade off is you can't mine and DPS at the same time :)
Get a few friends together to mine and problem solved.
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Sydian Rie
Minmatar Black Aces AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2010.07.17 18:16:00 -
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All you crybabies make me laugh. You want reward with absolutely no risk.
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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2010.07.17 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Xonk just stating that if this game is supposed to be a "sandbox", then we should be able to do what we want, without fear of getting ganked. BUT...since it's a cruel galaxy, we have to do what we can to stay protected.
I think the term "sandbox" can be interpreted in a wrong way. Among programmers a "sandbox" is an enclosed environment in which lots of things can be done without really influencing the outer environment nor creating any risk for the "outside world".
Doing lots of nasty things within such kind of sandbox is more of the norm than the uncommon, as the sandbox is supposed to get stresstested, littered and eventually trashed.
EVE being a "sandbox" has nothing to do with a childrens playground.
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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2010.07.18 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: Vak Keelin
Banning mining lasers, comparing the losses of a group of players who mind their own affairs (miners) against those who willingly travel in low/null sec?
Both are extremely weak and basically illogical arguments put forward by someone who wants to justify their own anti-social behavior.
ItÆs actually very pathetic when I think about it.
a) What's the question?
b) I didn't come up with some "people who mind their own affairs" vs "people willing to travel nullsec" comparison - if you do, don't blame me for that. Thank you.
c) Who's that "someone"? You aren't calling my behaviour (99.9% unknown to you) "anti-social", are you? It's considered good style to provide proof when accusing.
Btw.: AFK solo mining is not much of a social event.
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