EVE Search - Paying with plexes does not make CCP lose money, just so you all know.

Check My IP Information

All Channels

EVE General Discussion

Paying with plexes does not make CCP lose money, just so you all know.

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: [1] 2 :: one page

Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
Ninetails o'Cat League of Super Evil	Posted - 2010.07.14 19:25:00 - [1] People, don't you understand that if you pay with plexes, you are still indirectly giving CCP money? It goes like this: 1. A normal subscription, you pay money straight to CCP for game time. 2. A plex, someone else pays money to CCP for game time (essentially) which you then purchase for in-game money. See? CCP makes money both ways! (This was inspired by this post, but loads and loads and loads of people seem to think that Plexes are spawned ingame by CCP or something...)
Milo Caman Gallente Anshar Incorporated	Posted - 2010.07.14 19:27:00 - [2] Originally by: Ninetails o'Cat Truncated Ah yes, but it's not My money, see? --- Originally by: Sarina Berghil I think the reason your guns didn't work is because you're trying to hunt squirrels with Howitzers.
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2010.07.14 19:27:00 - [3] This needed a post? Orca Pilot Sale
Jagga Spikes Minmatar Spikes Chop Shop	Posted - 2010.07.14 19:29:00 - [4] Originally by: Milo Caman Originally by: Ninetails o'Cat Truncated Ah yes, but it's not My money, see? look at this way: you are "employed" by CCP to "produce" ISK and your salary is "free" game time ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon."
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.07.14 19:31:00 - [5] Originally by: Sader Rykane This needed a post? You know what, it probably did. It's outright depressing to see the amount of people who think that, just because people can buy PLEXes for ISK and thus play "for free", CCP somehow lose moneyà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Ninetails o'Cat League of Super Evil	Posted - 2010.07.14 19:31:00 - [6] Originally by: Sader Rykane This needed a post? There are too many people who think it, and I'm getting annoyed with people who say it. However, it probably didn't need a post, but this is the EVE forums, most of the posts here aren't really needed.
RentableMuffin	Posted - 2010.07.14 19:35:00 - [7] Originally by: Sader Rykane This needed a post? tbh it needs a sticky
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.14 19:42:00 - [8] Originally by: Ninetails o'Cat (This was inspired by this post, but loads and loads and loads of people seem to think that Plexes are spawned ingame by CCP or something...) If you had read the whole argument in that and following post by DrBattlesmith you would have noticed that he is saying something totally different from what you think. He is saying that plex have a negative effect on the game development as they are brought with cash and sold for isk principally by new players that want to buy shiny toys while older play spend the isk to get them and don't pay money for the game. While the cash inflow for CCP is the same, selling enough plex to keep in game the veterans willing to play only if they pay with isk require a constant inflow of new players wanting the big toys fast and so willing to buy GTC for real money and sell them for isk. So he feel that CCP is spending a lot of effort to produce new shiny for the new players and for advertising instead of spending it on fixing bugs and problems in the game. But that reduce player retention and push even more older players toward buying GTC/plex with isk as the game is not "worth" the RL money subscription. Not knowing the relevant data I don't know if his argument is valid or not on a game wide level. On a personal level the last news from the CSM have me thinking about moving my subscriptions to plex instead of the 6 month plan I currently use. So his argument has at least some value.
Celestine Santora	Posted - 2010.07.14 19:48:00 - [9] Originally by: Sader Rykane This needed a post? This was what I thought but then I remembered the large numbers of people in this game that believe ridiculous things like mining minerals makes them free, so I have no doubt that people think CCP loses money on PLEXes.
Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2010.07.14 19:49:00 - [10] No way, PLEX I buy from minerals I have mined are free and hence 100% loss for CCP.

Mathias Black	Posted - 2010.07.14 20:06:00 - [11] Originally by: Ninetails o'Cat (This was inspired by this post, but loads and loads and loads of people seem to think that Plexes are spawned ingame by CCP or something...) He's not saying CCP loses money when you buy Plex. He's saying that many old players only play because they can buy Plex, and Plex can only exist if there are people who are willing to pay real money for ISK, and that most of those isk buyers are noobs. That means in order to keep a steady stream of Plex to the big alliances and old players, they need a steady stream of Plex-buying noobs. Thus, their target audience for the game becomes Plex-buying noobs, not the people who trade isk for plex. There might be some truth to that; since ISK buying noobs are a large source of income, shiny new features to attract more noobs could be a priority. The question he's posing is: If they focus only on what older, plex-using customers want at the expense of noobs, and thus the Plex supply dries up, will those old players be willing to pay real money again, or would they just quit? If they'd just quit, then it makes sense to not focus on them too much, and focus instead on attracting the isk buyers.
Vexidious	Posted - 2010.07.14 20:41:00 - [12] Originally by: Mathias Black Originally by: Ninetails o'Cat (This was inspired by this post, but loads and loads and loads of people seem to think that Plexes are spawned ingame by CCP or something...) He's not saying CCP loses money when you buy Plex. He's saying that many old players only play because they can buy Plex, and Plex can only exist if there are people who are willing to pay real money for ISK, and that most of those isk buyers are noobs. That means in order to keep a steady stream of Plex to the big alliances and old players, they need a steady stream of Plex-buying noobs. Thus, their target audience for the game becomes Plex-buying noobs, not the people who trade isk for plex. There might be some truth to that; since ISK buying noobs are a large source of income, shiny new features to attract more noobs could be a priority. The question he's posing is: If they focus only on what older, plex-using customers want at the expense of noobs, and thus the Plex supply dries up, will those old players be willing to pay real money again, or would they just quit? If they'd just quit, then it makes sense to not focus on them too much, and focus instead on attracting the isk buyers. TL:DR version - Even if PLEX didn't exist CCP would still probably be focussed on attracting new players just like every other MMO in existance, so the existance of PLEX really doesn't matter.
Jer Bu	Posted - 2010.07.14 21:01:00 - [13] Actually in some ways PLEX reduces the likelihood of attracting new players. PLEX causes the "age" of players to SKU to the long time players, and to players who spend more time on Eve. These players have easy access to funds and can easily afford to play for "free" just using their spare cash. The more of these players you have, the more Eve will have new features influenced by their wants and needs. The more there are, the louder their voice. This POTENTIALLY means less features designed to improve the experience for new players, thus less retention of new players. Its all theoretical of course, but I'm just saying.
Hainnz Imperial Academy	Posted - 2010.07.14 21:18:00 - [14] Originally by: Jer Bu Actually in some ways PLEX reduces the likelihood of attracting new players. PLEX causes the "age" of players to SKU to the long time players, and to players who spend more time on Eve. These players have easy access to funds and can easily afford to play for "free" just using their spare cash. The more of these players you have, the more Eve will have new features influenced by their wants and needs. The more there are, the louder their voice. This POTENTIALLY means less features designed to improve the experience for new players, thus less retention of new players. Its all theoretical of course, but I'm just saying. I'd guess that CCP does a decent job of attracting new players, but a poor job of keeping them. The growth of the game over the years can't all be from alts. To really retain new players and turn them into old players, CCP would have to implement more "quality of life" changes like WTZ or eliminating learning skills (or reducing training times) -- things many old players have fits just contemplating.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.07.14 21:50:00 - [15] Originally by: Sader Rykane This needed a post? Judging by the number of people who apparently think that sustaining an account with PLEX means that CCP dont get any money for that account, yes it does. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Jer Bu	Posted - 2010.07.14 22:01:00 - [16] Edited by: Jer Bu on 14/07/2010 22:01:16 Originally by: Hainnz I'd guess that CCP does a decent job of attracting new players, but a poor job of keeping them. The growth of the game over the years can't all be from alts. To really retain new players and turn them into old players, CCP would have to implement more "quality of life" changes like WTZ or eliminating learning skills (or reducing training times) -- things many old players have fits just contemplating. Couldn't agree more. They get players in, they just don't stick around. There is a balance between making it more fun for new players (less grind) and maintaining the sense of accomplishment / making old time players happy that CCP has not yet figured out.
Rasquel Aura of Darkness Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.07.14 23:29:00 - [17] CCP actually makes more money from people using the PLEX than actually paying the monthly subscription. A 30 day subscription costs you $14.95. Two 30 day PLEX cost you $34.95, or $17.475 per 30 days. Note sure why they charge you more.
Mathias Black	Posted - 2010.07.15 03:33:00 - [18] Edited by: Mathias Black on 15/07/2010 03:35:25 Originally by: Jer Bu Actually in some ways PLEX reduces the likelihood of attracting new players. PLEX causes the "age" of players to SKU to the long time players, and to players who spend more time on Eve. These players have easy access to funds and can easily afford to play for "free" just using their spare cash. The more of these players you have, the more Eve will have new features influenced by their wants and needs. The more there are, the louder their voice. This POTENTIALLY means less features designed to improve the experience for new players, thus less retention of new players. Its all theoretical of course, but I'm just saying. Wh.. buh... wha.. that doesn't make any sense. It's literally impossible for the game to skew towards Plex-users because without the Plex-sellers, there is no Plex for them to buy. There can never be more Plex-users than Plex, and Plex only exists if there are a lot of noobs trading real money for ISK every month. And even though their voices are loud, they're still not the ones giving CCP any money. They're essentially freeloaders; the Plex-sellers are the ones who are actually paying CCP to keep the game going. Plex-users do hold indirect monetary value for CCP, of course, because they need to be there in order for the new players to feel like they have to buy ISK to catch up to them, and because the game needs to maintain a decent population in order to have new players try it at all. But if push comes to shove and you have to choose between the guy paying $45 a month to play your game and the guy who hasn't paid you anything in a year, I'd know which one I'd be catering towards.
Cyberman Mastermind	Posted - 2010.07.15 04:29:00 - [19] Originally by: Milo Caman Ah yes, but it's not My money, see? This. Also, better to burn leftover ISK and wait for better times than throwing it away.
Widemouth Deepthroat	Posted - 2010.07.15 05:07:00 - [20] Even the macro ratting program developer gets his cut since he is paid out with money that would likely otherwise be paid to CCP in subscription fees.

Jill Xelitras Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.07.15 05:46:00 - [21] Originally by: Rasquel Edited by: Rasquel on 14/07/2010 23:42:40 CCP actually makes more money from people using the PLEX than actually paying the monthly subscription. A 30 day subscription costs you $14.95. Two 30 day PLEX cost you $34.95, or $17.475 per 30 days. Not sure why they charge you more. Most likely because of the GTC resellers. GTC resellers need to make some cash out of selling GTCs So it's either CCP taking less money, or GTCs being sold at a slight mark-up by the resellers. Now CCP could sell GTCs for less then the resellers, but that would be bad for the business relationships they have with the resellers. It's also possible that the GTC system causes slightly more costs then the subscription sytem.
Noun Verber Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.15 08:29:00 - [22] PLEXs are free just like minerals that you mine. Duh!
Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2010.07.15 09:57:00 - [23] Originally by: Rasquel Edited by: Rasquel on 14/07/2010 23:42:40 CCP actually makes more money from people using the PLEX than actually paying the monthly subscription. A 30 day subscription costs you $14.95. Two 30 day PLEX cost you $34.95, or $17.475 per 30 days. Not sure why they charge you more. The price difference is the profit for the GTC resellers. CCP charge the same as the resellers simply to not undercut them.
Chesty McJubblies	Posted - 2010.07.15 10:41:00 - [24] Originally by: Sader Rykane This needed a post? Apparently.
Tribal Traditionalist	Posted - 2010.07.15 21:48:00 - [25] Hi, Tribal here! This thread blows X x X lol
Jade Kitana	Posted - 2010.07.15 23:19:00 - [26] Originally by: Mashie Saldana No way, PLEX I buy from minerals I have mined are free and hence 100% loss for CCP. Clueless, someone gave CCP real money for the PLEX so you could get it.
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2010.07.16 00:22:00 - [27] So the general consensus is that this, in fact, required a post. Fascinating. Orca Pilot Sale
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2010.07.16 01:22:00 - [28] Originally by: Jade Kitana Originally by: Mashie Saldana No way, PLEX I buy from minerals I have mined are free and hence 100% loss for CCP. Clueless, someone gave CCP real money for the PLEX so you could get it. You should get your trollometer checked. Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
Terminal Insanity Minmatar U-208	Posted - 2010.07.16 01:45:00 - [29] Other Important Facts: 1) In the United States of America, 100 pennies equals 1 dollar. 2) The Earth is not Flat. 3) The pointlessness of this thread will be the main cause of its continued growth. ~ ° ° ° ~ Non-Gameplay Enhancements!
Snake O'Donell Gallente Habitual Euthanasia Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2010.07.16 01:46:00 - [30] Originally by: Terminal Insanity Other Important Facts: 1) In the United States of America, 100 pennies equals 1 dollar. 2) The Earth is not Flat. 3) The pointlessness of this thread will be the main cause of its continued growth. Best post in this thread tbh.



Pages: [1] 2 :: one page
First page \| Previous page \| Next page \| Last page

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.