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Z'ara
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Posted - 2010.08.05 20:08:00 -
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Just loaded up SiSi for this and there is a 2Gb patch to download, despite having the most up to date version two or so days ago. PRO CCP! Real good thinking ahead there.
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digitalwanderer
Gallente DF0 incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.05 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Z'ara Just loaded up SiSi for this and there is a 2Gb patch to download, despite having the most up to date version two or so days ago. PRO CCP! Real good thinking ahead there.
Use the TQ client as stated just above the dialog box where you type your name and password....Mind you,it doesn't matter much since it locks up within seconds for me.
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Gitzela
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Posted - 2010.08.05 20:42:00 -
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Same here. I tried to get there and ended up loading huge patch. No way i was able to do it in time.
By the way, please talk to each other. Don't do two events at once. Having Sansha incursion and mass test at the very same time is bad idea.
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Syn Callibri
Blacklight Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.05 21:24:00 -
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Edited by: Syn Callibri on 05/08/2010 21:29:01
WAY TO GO CCP! If you were trying to kill threadnaughts and forum trolls...you'd be arrested for hunting in a baited field!
btw...I tried to get on sisi...gave up, the logs show nothing, etc, etc, etc...
Syn Callibri Ilharess to the Scorpion Tribe
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.08.06 01:03:00 -
[275]
I tried to copy my TQ client and then DL the patch (2GB????), wasn't even halfway finished by the time the test started. Oh man is this frustrating.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
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Posted - 2010.08.06 01:55:00 -
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TO ALL THE ABOVE SAYING A 2GB PATCH.
that was a new client not a patch. They autopatcher was not able to find the incremental patch, if you did a fresh copy of your tq folder, you needed to manually download it from the eve-o website.
The actually patch from tq to sisi was only a few megs. So guys be sure to read the patch messages carefully before running to the forums whining.
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Traldal
Gallente Order of the Domain
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Posted - 2010.08.06 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: Obsidian Hawk TO ALL THE ABOVE SAYING A 2GB PATCH.
that was a new client not a patch. They autopatcher was not able to find the incremental patch, if you did a fresh copy of your tq folder, you needed to manually download it from the eve-o website.
The actually patch from tq to sisi was only a few megs. So guys be sure to read the patch messages carefully before running to the forums whining.
Well. You can claim that the above posters were stupid enough to failzor at reading. But in the end, it was not them ending up with a loss of any kind, but the developers who missed their participation in the test.
So, who is actually the stupid lot here? Avrage gamer not savvy enough to help or developers losing participants due to their system being too hard to operate? When making software, atleast where I work at, yes, we do joke about customers being stupid. But in the end, its us that are to blame when the said customers comes complaining about our system being too hard to use. |
Cebraio
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Posted - 2010.08.06 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Traldal
... So, who is actually the stupid lot here? ...
The ones that come to the forum whining that they could not patch their Singularity client in time, while there was actually nothing to patch!
Originally by: CCP Tanis I wanted to drop in to point out that: for today's test, you will only need to copy the TQ client and add a shortcut as described in the OP. You will not need to patch anything at all!
Steps, for the lazy/TL;DR among us (like me):
1. Copy your TQ client 2. Create a shortcut to the new client somewhere 3. Edit the shortcut properties and add the following into the 'target' field, exactly, minus the quotes: " /server:singularity" (note the space before the '/')
You will then be able to login to Sisi, without having to patch anything.
We've also uploaded a new mirror, so accounts and characters should be much more up to date for everyone!
Copy the current TQ client and run it with a different target server. That's all!
They could have read that on the forum - the same forum they come to whine about CCP not being able to provide a simple update procedure.
Maybe the information was not spread in time and maybe not in all prominent places, but the logs say we had more than 600 people on Singularity yesterday, so for many people it wasn't that hard after all.
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oil
Double-L
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Posted - 2010.08.06 15:36:00 -
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problem wasnt the modus of preparing the client but the mail they sent out giving the wrong info how to do it. many prepared their client eralier to be ready in time to be greeted 2 hours before the test with the necessity to do it all again. its not only the client, its settings, clones ships and so on. all prepared beforehand and all wasted.
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Zostera
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.08.06 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: oil problem wasnt the modus of preparing the client but the mail they sent out giving the wrong info how to do it. many prepared their client eralier to be ready in time to be greeted 2 hours before the test with the necessity to do it all again. its not only the client, its settings, clones ships and so on. all prepared beforehand and all wasted.
No worries, I am sure we will see a dev post soon asking for us to mass test the sisi patcher.
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Mamba Lev
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Posted - 2010.08.07 17:22:00 -
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I would like to suggest a new forfeit if you get more than 500 players.
You fix the game.
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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2010.08.08 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Tanis I'd like to make things a bit interesting, so I'm offering a bet to the entire EVE playerbase:
"I don't think you can 'bring it'.. so prove me wrong!"
To get you right:
You are betting paying customers of your company do not "BRING IT" by not spending their paid for playing time to get your betatesting straight?
I receive your bet as an official insult from CCP towards their paying customers.
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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2010.08.08 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Veritas For instance, one experimental fix we've been trying out on TQ recently accidentally torched Jita during prime time.
Three things to take notice of:
a) you tried out experimental stuff on TQ b) you are referring to malicious code torching Jita as "FIX" c) you seem to have choosen prime time for doing a change to your 'productive system'
NO sane QA department person would allow any of the above.
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Lord Orefinger
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Posted - 2010.08.08 23:07:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Orefinger on 08/08/2010 23:09:19
Originally by: Lederstrumpf Edited by: Lederstrumpf on 08/08/2010 14:48:16
Originally by: CCP Veritas For instance, one experimental fix we've been trying out on TQ recently accidentally torched Jita during prime time.
Three things to take notice of:
a) you tried out experimental stuff on TQ b) you are referring to malicious code torching Jita as "FIX" c) you seem to have choosen prime time for doing a change to your 'productive system'
NO sane QA department person i know of would allow any of the above.
I agree.
A) A pre-production or test environment should be used for QA, never the prod systems. You can moan and complain about how you need user-load like PROD all you like, but the fact is you have to treat your prod environment like its sacred.. because it is.
B) Any code deployed on prod should go through QA *first*. PROD is not a test environment, and should not be treated as one. If PROD is being used because you don't have a test system set up, then you need to create one that is not the PROD systems. Just don't treat the systems that give the company its main income source (according to public data) like they are expendable and do not matter, or the worst can and inevitably will happen. And if the QA team does not have the resources they need to create such a test environment - either in hardware, software or people - then I would say they do not have the resources to do their job correctly.
C) The choice to do this at all - and at a time no doubt chosen for max server load and based on the faulty assumptions above - was not the best choice.
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Syn Callibri
Blacklight Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.09 19:33:00 -
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Edited by: Syn Callibri on 09/08/2010 19:33:19
Heres a bet for you...In 4-5 days will we have another "database" problem that crashes the server? You can almost set your clock by them lately.
Syn Callibri Ilharess to the Scorpion Tribe
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XSarah
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Posted - 2010.08.10 06:05:00 -
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I have an idea.
Why dont you give us a free day gameplay as payment for doing your job for you.
k thx bye |
Aurora Robotnik
Caldari CKSSA Research And Development
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Posted - 2010.08.11 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: XSarah I have an idea.
Why dont you give us a free day gameplay as payment for doing your job for you.
k thx bye
I like this. A free day for each participant won't hurt CCP, after all they just gained about 6 years worth of unclaimable PLEX... 2220 days, CCP. Surely you can spare a few to encourage a fleet fight on Sisi :P
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Cebraio
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Posted - 2010.08.11 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Aurora Robotnik
Originally by: XSarah I have an idea.
Why dont you give us a free day gameplay as payment for doing your job for you.
k thx bye
I like this. A free day for each participant won't hurt CCP, after all they just gained about 6 years worth of unclaimable PLEX... 2220 days, CCP. Surely you can spare a few to encourage a fleet fight on Sisi :P
What about people who paid one year in advance? 1 free day doesn't really mean a lot then. If anything, I want an SP bonus.
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Wenoc
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Posted - 2010.08.12 14:50:00 -
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one word for you: Communication.
There is no way in hell i will bugtest for you for free, when you do not communicate. Listen to the demands of the community and report on what you are doin with MY Money regularly and maybe, just maybe i will join. The kilt is a ****ing insult. Give free playing time or isk.
I have not seen any CCP response in any of the OUTRAGE threads like the game award or excellence thread. Wake the **** up.
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:10:00 -
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This is a stupid thread. Started by a stupid OP.
How about you come up with some creative ways to entice your player base to help with your testing? Oh thats what your op is? I mistook creativity with spastic stupidity.
Want serious numbers on "mass-testing"? Alliance VS Alliance thunderdome with prizes given by ccp. Alliance fronts up with 200+ players <- give alliance ceo 10 plex to distribute to alliance as they see fit. Give ingame prizes on tranquility for alliances that "win" singularity battles. Items such as: 10 run dramiel BPC 10 x sisters combat probe launchers 5 run Darkblood Large Tower BPC
It's not hard to be creative and appeal to your player base. Not hard unless your completely out of touch with your player base.
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Desert Ice78
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Posted - 2010.08.15 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jita Alt666 This is a stupid thread. Started by a stupid OP.
How about you come up with some creative ways to entice your player base to help with your testing? Oh thats what your op is? I mistook creativity with spastic stupidity.
Want serious numbers on "mass-testing"? Alliance VS Alliance thunderdome with prizes given by ccp. Alliance fronts up with 200+ players <- give alliance ceo 10 plex to distribute to alliance as they see fit. Give ingame prizes on tranquility for alliances that "win" singularity battles. Items such as: 10 run dramiel BPC 10 x sisters combat probe launchers 5 run Darkblood Large Tower BPC
It's not hard to be creative and appeal to your player base. Not hard unless your completely out of touch with your player base.
Such ideas about inviting whole alliances to test has been mooted before and the general consensus is that its another stupid idea Jita Alt666. You can be sure that that will be the day when their space get invaded, all while they are messing about with CCP on Singularity.
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.08.15 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Desert Ice78
Such ideas about inviting whole alliances to test has been mooted before and the general consensus is that its another stupid idea Jita Alt666. You can be sure that that will be the day when their space get invaded, all while they are messing about with CCP on Singularity.
Point 1. They currently invite alliance's to attend mass testing -> some alliance encourage members to attend. So while the idea may be stupid they already utilise it. Alliances take part half heartedley because there is no real benefit other than the one day there "might" be reduced lag. Point 2. The soverignty mechanics in Eve online are vastly in favour of the defender so much so that to hold space you actually only need log in once in 4 reinforcement cycles in a stationed sov 5 system. while the attackers need to log in for all 4 cycles (4 times in 4+ days) and mindlessly shoot structures and hold the field if a fight does eventuate. In addition Eve Online is currently a giant NAP fest. If someone decided to invade razor space for example they would have to be prepared to log in for 4 days during Razor's peak TZ and have more numbers on the field than the entire NC. Not going to happen.
Summary: Read the post and understand the point: if CCP want people to help on Sisi then CCP have to create the right incentives. Crossdressing at staff meetings as an incentive to log in to sisi is stupid. Does that simple statement compute?
We can argue ourselves to death over the details but I prefer to discuss details with people who understand the system they are discussing
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar Blacklight Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.16 16:55:00 -
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Edited by: Syn Callibri on 16/08/2010 16:55:20
Originally by: Syn Callibri Edited by: Syn Callibri on 09/08/2010 19:33:19
Heres a bet for you...In 4-5 days will we have another "database" problem that crashes the server? You can almost set your clock by them lately.
Ok...I win! Ilharess Syn Callibri of the Scorpion Clan
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fab24
Gallente Tax Fraud Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.17 16:20:00 -
[294]
Leave your job.
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.08.17 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: fab24 GM's Leave your job.
fixed
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente SUECHTLER Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.18 11:54:00 -
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TBH if I can get on at the time you are doing a mass test all I would ask is that I get an estamels fitted vargur on the test server for my troubles... then at the next mirror it would be gone again, but boy I would love to fly that ship (Or a top officer/complex fitted Kronos) ----------------------------
Confirmed heaviest member of RDEX........
Hah, no more hijacks here!!!!
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CheezeChips
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Posted - 2010.08.18 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: RentableMuffin
kilt and warpaint, I feel like you would do that anyways and is probably the least embarrassing exotic dancer, hmmm cross dressing more cross dressing pink hair, how do we know you wont borrow the pink wig? although I guess this one is a bit more lasting
probably going to have to vote for answer petitions for a day, wearing a wig, dress, and high-heels
someone has to answer them sometime!
you forgot bagpipes, and the national song
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Shad0wsFury
Helljumpers Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.08.18 13:50:00 -
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dad? is that you?
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Archeris vane
Amarr Arch's Brewery
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Posted - 2010.08.20 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Jita Alt666 This is a stupid thread. Started by a stupid OP.
How about you come up with some creative ways to entice your player base to help with your testing? Oh thats what your op is? I mistook creativity with spastic stupidity.
Want serious numbers on "mass-testing"? Alliance VS Alliance thunderdome with prizes given by ccp. Alliance fronts up with 200+ players <- give alliance ceo 10 plex to distribute to alliance as they see fit. Give ingame prizes on tranquility for alliances that "win" singularity battles. Items such as: 10 run dramiel BPC 10 x sisters combat probe launchers 5 run Darkblood Large Tower BPC
It's not hard to be creative and appeal to your player base. Not hard unless your completely out of touch with your player base.
All you want is items or skillpoints.. We can't help it you're poor and greedy. Try posting with your main for once. I for one am amused by what has been proposed.
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Desert Ice78
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Posted - 2010.08.20 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jita Alt666
Originally by: Desert Ice78
Such ideas about inviting whole alliances to test has been mooted before and the general consensus is that its another stupid idea Jita Alt666. You can be sure that that will be the day when their space get invaded, all while they are messing about with CCP on Singularity.
Point 1. They currently invite alliance's to attend mass testing -> some alliance encourage members to attend. So while the idea may be stupid they already utilise it. Alliances take part half heartedley because there is no real benefit other than the one day there "might" be reduced lag. Point 2. The soverignty mechanics in Eve online are vastly in favour of the defender so much so that to hold space you actually only need log in once in 4 reinforcement cycles in a stationed sov 5 system. while the attackers need to log in for all 4 cycles (4 times in 4+ days) and mindlessly shoot structures and hold the field if a fight does eventuate. In addition Eve Online is currently a giant NAP fest. If someone decided to invade razor space for example they would have to be prepared to log in for 4 days during Razor's peak TZ and have more numbers on the field than the entire NC. Not going to happen.
Summary: Read the post and understand the point: if CCP want people to help on Sisi then CCP have to create the right incentives. Crossdressing at staff meetings as an incentive to log in to sisi is stupid. Does that simple statement compute?
We can argue ourselves to death over the details but I prefer to discuss details with people who understand the system they are discussing
Point 1: No alliance has ever in the past nor will in the future ever order their alliance members to join the mass testing on sisi for the terribly obvious reasons already stated. They never will, regardless of what ever hair-brained incentives you come up with.
Point 2: Refer to point number 1.
Now, back to the adult chat; Tanis, it appears that you have lost your bet. I still believe that your original forfeits were stupid, but did we come up with a favourite?
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