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Mu'n Hurricane
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.07.14 21:32:00 -
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Edited by: Mu''n Hurricane on 14/07/2010 21:50:45
5 p.m. all my extractors in lowsec had x value in deposits to be extracted - 9 extractors on each planet.
1 a.m. I log in - check planets - about to set exctractors again.. and every extractor on every planet (3 planets) in one system shows that deposits are 'x-1000', 1,000 short. On every planet in that system.
All depletions I've seen before were around 10-30-50 a day. On the same planets, with the same amount of extractors.
Planets have not many other (just a few - 1-3 per planet) player's centers. Every planet have different radius: from ~1,7k to around 9k.
edit: Deposits on one planet in some other system remained the same though.
Seems strange that in one system all planets had such a big drop in deposits in such a short time, or is it ok?
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Ari Chu
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:12:00 -
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There is belief that the Planets have "pools" of resources... while the Pools are mostly full - the extraction rates will remain mostly high... but as soon as the Pool empties - the extraction rates would drop to a level that is sustainable based upon the natural regeneration of the planet and the number of extractors (with each extractor being weighted by it's proximity to the Hotspot).
If what you describe is accurate - that could be evidence that this theory is right. Basically, that your planet has used up it's reserves and it now only feeding the extractors based upon the natural regeneration..... If that is right - then one would expect other planets to start showing similar behavior.
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Makin' LuvLuvLuv
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:32:00 -
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Edited by: Makin'' LuvLuvLuv on 14/07/2010 22:32:05
nvm
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Mu'n Hurricane
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:50:00 -
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Edited by: Mu''n Hurricane on 14/07/2010 22:51:07
Well, the extraction rates were not that high - as I said there're only 1-2 other players on every of 3 planets. SO no big networks, nothing like 10-12 extractors per player.
I'm speaking about 3 planets - this happened on all 3 planets at the same time, and drop for the same amount - 1000 - that's what seems strange to me. Because the pools are different and extraction rates are different. And.. it's different planets!
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Chomondeley
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:57:00 -
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Edited by: Chomondeley on 14/07/2010 22:59:00
I asked the question earlier about "pools" of rescources or raw materials being constantly exracted on a 5 hour cycle and was advised that you may need to move the extractor (s) a little in order to hit the hot spot.
(I didn't make notes on original yield)
It would make sense imo if the theory is correct in order to bring the scanning skills into play. Else you could just leave an extractor as a planetory "bookmark" and hit the spot everytime-which wouldnt make sense imo. Just as is doesn't make sense to continually drain a particular raw material for days on end without depleation of some form or other.
Im about to embark on a new production line which requires a new planet set-up - I'll make a note of initial yields and monitor over the next few days (5 Hr Cylcle)-0.0 to see If I can prove this theory.
What would be impressive, is if for example, Micro Organisms/Complex Organisms "shifted" around a Temperate Planet as part of that Planets' "Seasonal Variation". An intersting concept that would perhaps again, bring the scanning skills to the fore.
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Mu'n Hurricane
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.07.14 23:22:00 -
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Edited by: Mu''n Hurricane on 14/07/2010 23:24:40
Ok, I see that industry is hard on minds...
Chomondeley - was it you thinking out lound in some random thread? If not you have some reading issues 
I'm not speaking about hitting the best spots, all extractors are located on best spots with highest yield.
Important note - I am the only player on the ice planet, on that planet 9 extractors were working on high deposits for one day. Resourses I exctract on that planet are not just many - it's full 'line' (that white line that shows the abudance of resourses ;) ) I installed extractors - they workerd around 15 hours. And today at this planet - as well as 2 other planets - all deposits dropped -1,000. The sec status in that system is below 0.3.
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Ari Chu
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Posted - 2010.07.14 23:26:00 -
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Oh, Chomo's response is clearly in the right spot.. and it is another train of thought.
Basically, that as you extract from a hot spot - the Hot spot will "migrate" away from the extractors, thereby reducing extraction rates. This would lead to a scenario where you would have to periodically move your extractors to maintain decent outputs....
I wouldn't think either of the theories provided would lead to the drop off that you describe - but that doesn't mean it's impossible.
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Mu'n Hurricane
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.07.14 23:46:00 -
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Edited by: Mu''n Hurricane on 14/07/2010 23:54:47
 Originally by: Ari Chu
Oh, Chomo's response is clearly in the right spot.. and it is another train of thought.
Basically, that as you extract from a hot spot - the Hot spot will "migrate" away from the extractors, thereby reducing extraction rates. This would lead to a scenario where you would have to periodically move your extractors to maintain decent outputs....
I wouldn't think either of the theories provided would lead to the drop off that you describe - but that doesn't mean it's impossible.
Ok... yeah, heavy metals migrate dammit... the ****?
Re-read my previous post - the 'Important note' part. If you won't get it again, let's try this way -
1) A system. Low sec. 3 Planets. On 3 planets I installed 9 extractos + processors. On 2 planets there're some other players, but no big extraction networks.
2) One of these 3 planets are Ice planet. Only 9 extractors on the planet. Just me, nobody else. P0 'abundancy' on that planet are high, with high yield spots. Extractors worked only 15 hours on that resourse - that are in huge amount all over the planet, with high yield spots. Extractors were on high yield spots. And low yield spots - really low - are around 30% off high - a tiny amount, you would call this low yield a huge one if such a yield were in high sec. So this drop goes even below the 'low' spots that were o the planet. Rich deposits of that kind of material, as I said... So no 'migration' of spots bull**** pls :)
3) Today all extractors on - every - of - 3 - planets - in that system experienced drop in yield. The same amount of drop - 1,000. With ALL the parameters that may affect depletion rates being Different.
One more detail that makes it strange - on all 3 planets in that system all extractors were working for a day on one specific material on every planet. I've just installed them. I was doing some other extractions on these planets for a week, and all drops I experienced were around 10-50 a day at max, as I said. And no 'migrations' it's called 'depletion'...
If that won't surpsise you - pls go mine in a hulk, in caldari space, all night. Many times. For a few days.  And stop posting and go to school already.
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Ari Chu
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Posted - 2010.07.15 00:01:00 -
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Well, my extractors are producing roughly the same as they have been for a month. If you want to throw out every "theory" that is brought to you and act all butt-hurt; I could care less. Your planets suck, mine are cool. End of Story.
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Mu'n Hurricane
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.07.15 00:14:00 -
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Edited by: Mu''n Hurricane on 15/07/2010 00:23:10
Desire to produce/support bull**** theories and poor ability to think or read (or both), are things you care about, it's clear. Because it's nice how you started 'my planets are greenier' after facing the fact that you are unable to contribute anything and hardly able to understand complex situation. Such cases will always provide fun to other players of eveo. Go to school already/again 
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Raskor
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.15 03:17:00 -
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I have experienced something similar, but can't say to when or how quickly it occurred. I have been extracting in a low sec system for a couple weeks now and one of the planets in particular has a much harder time than the others keeping a surplus of resources (so that I can run the factories non stop). I recorded the take when I started as about 47300 per 5 hour cycle (per each of 10 extractors). Now I looked and it is down about 1000 units per 5 hour cycle.
Not enough to bother tearing down, but I won't be running a 23 hour cycle very often on that one.
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Jill Xelitras
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.07.15 07:06:00 -
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Edited by: Jill Xelitras on 15/07/2010 07:16:04
Originally by: Mu'n Hurricane
Edited by: Mu''n Hurricane on 15/07/2010 00:23:10
Desire to produce/support bull**** theories and poor ability to think or read (or both), are things you care about, it's clear. Because it's nice how you started 'my planets are greenier' after facing the fact that you are unable to contribute anything and hardly able to understand complex situation. Such cases will always provide fun to other players of eveo. Go to school already/again
Hi,
you suck to much!
Jill.
edit: Since you seem to be the person who decides what theories are valid, why don't you come up with one ?
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Mu'n Hurricane
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.07.15 10:12:00 -
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Edited by: Mu''n Hurricane on 15/07/2010 10:13:21
Originally by: Jill Xelitras
Edited by: Jill Xelitras on 15/07/2010 07:16:04
Originally by: Mu'n Hurricane
Edited by: Mu''n Hurricane on 15/07/2010 00:23:10
Desire to produce/support bull**** theories and poor ability to think or read (or both), are things you care about, it's clear. Because it's nice how you started 'my planets are greenier' after facing the fact that you are unable to contribute anything and hardly able to understand complex situation. Such cases will always provide fun to other players of eveo. Go to school already/again
Hi,
you suck to much!
Jill.
edit: Since you seem to be the person who decides what theories are valid, why don't you come up with one ?
Butthurt miners/industries spam are the best ^
But generally you are
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Pathetic.
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Quantessa
Amarr
TOG Empire
DRACONIAN COVENANT
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Posted - 2010.07.15 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ari Chu
Your planets suck, mine are cool. End of Story.
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Chomondeley
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Posted - 2010.07.15 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Mu'n Hurricane Chomondeley - was it you thinking out lound in some random thread? If not you have some reading issues [:roll:
Really?
hmmmm ..........pot/kettle come to mind?
Lemme guess your trying to extract Iron(y) on all your fail planets?
Allow me to qualify my post.... I deliberately mentioned the raw materials and planet as a logical thought process to your concern with drop in extractor rates. However, this notion was a concept but a plausible one none-the-less. (If indeed implemented)
The Fact remains is that you cannot expect to draw ANY raw materials for days on end without some sort of consequence and that is what we are trying to establish. With various good folk chipping in to try answer your question.
In your case, (In Particular), I recommend you give up PI and go buy a Hulk and park it in your fail system for the next 3 days whilst the Hulkageddon Carnival is in town. 
Kind regards,
Chomondeley
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JJ Mika
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Posted - 2010.07.17 01:56:00 -
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hmm - working for 15 hours.... i suppose you choose the 23 hours cycle and you look at it after 15 hours.... well the deposit would have drop from 100% to (23-15)/23% since it will go to 0 after 23 hours...
After that rescan and choose another deposits
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