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The product backlog is a high-level document for the entire project. It contains backlog items: broad descriptions of all required features, wish-list items, etc. prioritized by business value. It is the ôWhatö that will be built. It is open and editable by anyone and contains rough estimates of both business value and development effort. Those estimates help the Product Owner to gauge the timeline and, to a limited extent, prioritize. For example, if the ôadd spellcheckö and ôadd table supportö features have the same business value, the one with the smallest development effort will probably have higher priority, because the ROI (Return On Investment) is higher.

The product backlog is the property of the Product Owner. Business value is set by the Product Owner. Development effort is set by the Team."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrum_(development)

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Originally by: Marcus Vorenius

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Edited by: Marcus Vorenius on 25/07/2010 12:46:16
"Deliver value to your customers early and often! The benefits of agileÆs incremental delivery approach are very quantifiable." http://agile.scumniotales.com/agile-roi/

it would be interesting to have a look at the factors that influence the Return on Investment (ROI) for Incarna. The ROI would be: Business value (or benefits) minus development effort. The tangible benefits of Incarna would probably be "net increase in subscribers" (new subcribers minus cancelled subs) and <insert potential benefits from Product Owner here>
In addition to the tangible benefits, CCP has probably added a long list of intangible benefits like <insert mumbo-jumbo from Sales & Marketing here>

It is standard project management procedures to review your business case (e.g. the ROI) after each phase (read: Sprint?) of the project, to make sure that you are on track and inform key stakeholders if it's going south.

TL;DR: Customer reactions to CCP Zulu's Dev Blog means that the ROI of Incarna/Dust is probably being looked at again and the more doubt there is about the benefits, the more the business case is crumbling.

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The product backlog is a high-level document for the entire project. It contains backlog items: broad descriptions of all required features, wish-list items, etc. prioritized by business value. It is the ôWhatö that will be built. It is open and editable by anyone and contains rough estimates of both business value and development effort. Those estimates help the Product Owner to gauge the timeline and, to a limited extent, prioritize. For example, if the ôadd spellcheckö and ôadd table supportö features have the same business value, the one with the smallest development effort will probably have higher priority, because the ROI (Return On Investment) is higher.

The product backlog is the property of the Product Owner. Business value is set by the Product Owner. Development effort is set by the Team."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrum_(development)

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"Deliver value to your customers early and often!" - fix my freakin' rockets... with sugar and honey

Note: i have simplified ROI on purpose (KISS)

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Originally by: Dzajic

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Truly wonderful. Now that thread has degenerated into random trolling CCP can lock it up and forget about it, without ever giving a single proper answer.

Yes everyone has "their" bug or balance issue they want CCP to look at, but that is only because all of EVE is broken to some extent.

Only customers that CCP has right now and will have for next year and a half till Dust and Incarna go out are "spaceship flying" folks (who by the way consider that to be EVE), and no one can be happy at silly 18 months thing.

Incarna players will supposedly want to undock at one time, if only to get to another station, and that will give them opportunity to see and judge the quality of spaceship parts of game.
Even when talking about Dust, CCP will have to go back to PI and make it worth it enough that people bother hiring mercenaries from another game.

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Originally by: Dzajic

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In the topic. Dozens of trolls trying to say it is OK if game isn't supported, bugfixed or balanced for next year and a half.

This isn't just about lag or rockets or about any other single issue or combination of issues. It is about all of them, about status of entire game, and about tiny number of developers left working on it.

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Originally by: Nede***

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atm sov warfare isnt lacking polish , it`s plain and simple not a functional feature. it`s in a status that would hardly qualify as "BETA"

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The product backlog is the property of the Product Owner. Business value is set by the Product Owner. Development effort is set by the Team."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrum_(development)

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Originally by: devblog

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EVE Gate

(1 team, approximately 10 developers)

We have one team (at this point) assigned to EVE Gate development and iteration, and that wonæt change for the foreseeable future. Note that this team is a dedicated Web development team. I had planned on using them to fix fleet lag but was talked out of it.

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Originally by: Marcus Vorenius

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The product backlog is the property of the Product Owner. Business value is set by the Product Owner. Development effort is set by the Team."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrum_(development)

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I hope the wiki is wrong. The Product Owner is the "client" (business value is in his P&L) - the guy responsible for the deliveries (e.g. programme director, project manager) should own the backlog.

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Originally by: Dragon Greg

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Originally by: Nede***

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atm sov warfare isnt lacking polish , it`s plain and simple not a functional feature. it`s in a status that would hardly qualify as "BETA"

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It was stated some months ago in another feedback thread that Dominion delivered a basic framework for sovereignty warfare, to be iterated upon over time to expand for flexibility, objectives and methods involved.

But I guess CCP believes their own QEN numbers, which highlight how small the 0.0 subscriber niche is, without taking into account interdependancies in accounts for subscribers between the pilots doing pvp, pve and sov warfare in 0.0 and their individual and organisational accounts in empire space. And as such, their conclusion that it's not worth the effort to undertake work to iterate on this (as if it is a lot of work, come on, have some trust/faith) is to them a perfectly valid conclusion.

Then again, seeing these examples of their communication in the devblog, the minutes and this thread, it's really questionable whether some decision maker would even listen to a programmer about his observations from his own gameplay on these things. The data! OMG!

I doubt they have the "metrics" or even the inclination to figure out either tbh, with this snapshot statistics stuff (which is an emberassing method to use in any modelling tbh).
When we were in 0.0 it was a rough ratio of on average 3 accounts in empire to 1 in 0.0, for us, who knows what it is today.

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Originally by: Ban Doga

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Originally by: Marcus Vorenius

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The product backlog is the property of the Product Owner. Business value is set by the Product Owner. Development effort is set by the Team."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrum_(development)

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I hope the wiki is wrong. The Product Owner is the "client" (business value is in his P&L) - the guy responsible for the deliveries (e.g. programme director, project manager) should own the backlog.

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The Product Owner is not the "client", (s)he is the one "ordering a product" from the team(s).
The Product Owner could even be someone who will never use the product at all (although this would probably make less sense)

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Originally by: Marcus Vorenius

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it would be interesting to have a look at the factors that influence the Return on Investment (ROI) for Incarna. The ROI would be: Business value (or benefits) minus development effort. The tangible benefits of Incarna would probably be "net increase in subscribers" (new subcribers minus cancelled subs) and <insert potential benefits from Product Owner here>
In addition to the tangible benefits, CCP has probably added a long list of intangible benefits like

TL;DR: Customer reactions to CCP Zulu's Dev Blog means that the ROI of Incarna/Dust is probably being looked at again and the more doubt there is about the benefits, the more the business case is crumbling.

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Originally by: Playing Eve

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Originally by: Marcus Vorenius

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it would be interesting to have a look at the factors that influence the Return on Investment (ROI) for Incarna. The ROI would be: Business value (or benefits) minus development effort. The tangible benefits of Incarna would probably be "net increase in subscribers" (new subcribers minus cancelled subs) and <insert potential benefits from Product Owner here>
In addition to the tangible benefits, CCP has probably added a long list of intangible benefits like

TL;DR: Customer reactions to CCP Zulu's Dev Blog means that the ROI of Incarna/Dust is probably being looked at again and the more doubt there is about the benefits, the more the business case is crumbling.

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Remember also that CCP own WhiteWolf and presumably wants to release a person/avatar based game for that audience at some time. So in addition to the factors you have listed, Incarna call also be seen as ground work for an entirely other product line. If the outlook for that product is still seen as good, quite a bit of loss on the EVE side can be written off as costs/learning for the new product.

That said, I still think Incarna can bring in LARGE numbers of new players. I have several friends who are completely turned off to Eve once they find out that they only have a ship to relate to -- people who want to occasionally sit around a virtual table and look another face in the eyes.

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Originally by: Playing Eve

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Originally by: Marcus Vorenius

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That said, I still think Incarna can bring in LARGE numbers of new players. I have several friends who are completely turned off to Eve once they find out that they only have a ship to relate to -- people who want to occasionally sit around a virtual table and look another face in the eyes.

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And it doesn't matter. Once they discover it's just a thin piece of fluff around the current game-play they will leave. Especially if that gameplay has been left stagnant for 18+ months.

There's an insane amount of work CCP could do to improve the player experience which would be much better for long term retention. Also the sort of people who stay with this game are attracted by the complex sand-box nature of it and if major parts of that are broken (FW, low-sec, alliance warfare) what's the appeal?

That said anyone who doesn't realize that CCP has over-stretched themselves and Incarna is a free spin-off of their WoD work offered as a palliative for not putting any effort into Eve is astoundingly optimistic. And no doubt they've got delivery deadlines for WoD and Dust that means there's just nothing they can do about it.

Originally by: Kireiina

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Originally by: Nede***

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As for WoD...unless its another free pvp sandbox who thee **** cares? No way in hell it can stand up to the new thempeparks coin out there

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btw , who wants players in eve who come to eve cause of incarna? personally i` dont and if they do i hope they go away after the trial

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