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tr3jo	Posted - 2010.07.18 04:59:00 - [1] Well I just got suicide ganked in Jita lol, was aligning my Wreathe to Jita 4-4 as I got one shot. About once a week or so I haul maybe 1km3 max cargo to and from a system about 9 jumps away - I buy stuff from Jita, goto my mission system to get the BPC's from my main (LP reward), make them and ship back to Jita to sell. Since it's low volume I figured I could skip getting a blockade runner and was just wanting some advice as to what ship would be best for the job? I wasn't AFK so it wasn't a case of me being AFK at a gate in Jita with cargo but they got me as I was aligning. Should I maybe just get a cruiser and fit some buffer? Perhaps people are less inclined to bother scanning a cruiser? Or is there are fast aligning ship that can carry what I need? Thanks in advance.
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.07.18 05:28:00 - [2] TBH you should eventually train for a blockade runner. Everyone should have at least an alt capable of flying one. Damn things are dead useful. But for the interim, I would go with your cruiser idea. Augoror/Vexor/Osprey/Rupture will all get over 1000m3 with lows filled with expanded cargo II, so you shouldn't even have to train anything
Vmir Gallahasen Gallente The Darkness Within Death Rhubarb	Posted - 2010.07.18 06:01:00 - [3] I'd go with an exequror personally (gallente cargo cruiser). 10% bonus to cargo per level, with a base of 600m3. Just having cruiser V alone gets you near the 1km3 mark and you've got up to 3 lows for nanofibers/istabs/plates and 4 meds for shield buffer tank.
tr3jo	Posted - 2010.07.18 06:10:00 - [4] Sweet, exactly what I was after, thanks very much. Eventually I'll get a blockade runner just trying to focus on drones skills on my alt first. Don't usually haul valuables too often but I can see that changing in the near future.
Patri Andari Caldari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer	Posted - 2010.07.18 06:24:00 - [5] Originally by: tr3jo Well I just got suicide ganked in Jita lol, was aligning my Wreathe to Jita 4-4 as I got one shot. About once a week or so I haul maybe 1km3 max cargo to and from a system about 9 jumps away - I buy stuff from Jita, goto my mission system to get the BPC's from my main (LP reward), make them and ship back to Jita to sell. Since it's low volume I figured I could skip getting a blockade runner and was just wanting some advice as to what ship would be best for the job? I wasn't AFK so it wasn't a case of me being AFK at a gate in Jita with cargo but they got me as I was aligning. Should I maybe just get a cruiser and fit some buffer? Perhaps people are less inclined to bother scanning a cruiser? Or is there are fast aligning ship that can carry what I need? Thanks in advance. Go to Jita and buy a Slasher. Equip it with a MWD, cap recharger, and a cap power relay. Undock from the station and engage the MWD. Fly out as far as you can stomach but at least minimum warp distance which is 150km iirc but the further you go out the better. If your ship is bumped even slightly due to traffic, redock and start over! Once you get out far enough, make a book mark and label it "Jita 4-4 auto undock" or some such then dock at the station again. You now have an "insta undock" in Jita! Next, replace your wreath. Fit some shield extender and/or invulnerability field modules in the mids as well as a damage control and undock. Right click in open space and choose your bookmark under "My Places" and warp to 0. Activtae your hardeners and DC. Your ship will exit the station well above max warp speed and "almost" instantly warp to your bookmark even though it is an industrial unless it is bumped on exiting the station. If you are bumped, stop your ship (ctrl-space) and spam redock. Meanwhile, train your alt to pilot an Orca. Fit it with a 100mn MWD. That's how all the cool kids transpot expensive items in empire! HTH Patri I'll Roshambo you for that Titan
tr3jo	Posted - 2010.07.18 06:32:00 - [6] Thanks Patri for the undock advice, I will definitely do this. I was actually killed at the Jita / Perimeter stargate going toward the station, but I can see the exact same thing happening as I undock too. My lack of buffer / slow align time is to blame but I would like to go as unnoticed as possible which is where I thought a cruiser would be good. When I start moving bigger things I'll upgrade to a Blockade Runner and if I need much more an Orca.
Patri Andari Caldari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer	Posted - 2010.07.18 07:03:00 - [7] Originally by: tr3jo Edited by: tr3jo on 18/07/2010 06:38:01 Thanks Patri for the undock advice, I will definitely do this. I was actually killed at the Jita / Perimeter stargate going toward the station, but I can see the exact same thing happening as I undock too. My lack of buffer / slow align time is to blame but I would like to go as unnoticed as possible which is where I thought a cruiser would be good. When I start moving bigger things I'll upgrade to a Blockade Runner and if I need much more an Orca. Edit: This is my current setup with the Exequror: [Exequror, New Setup 1] Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I Other slots not sure or if I even need to put anything there or if there are better options. Has 6.8 sec align time and 11.2 EHP (can't be one shot yay!) In my exp No amount of ehp will save you from a dedicated gank crew. If you travel AFK you run the risk of being spotted, scanned, and identified by a scout. Trust me this happens. Best alternative is to avoid scans and locks by using a cloak. Even T1 ships can do this using the cloak warp tactic This will assure that no one has a chance to scan you let alone scramble your warp. Use this while you train for whatever ship you choose. HTH Patri I'll Roshambo you for that Titan
Pascal Almaric Perkone	Posted - 2010.07.18 11:08:00 - [8] Originally by: Patri Andari Undock from the station and engage the MWD. Fly out as far as you can stomach but at least minimum warp distance which is 150km iirc but the further you go out the better.[...] You now have an "insta undock" in Jita! A couple of extra touches... When you undock to make the bookmark, click the button for "tactical overlay" next to your HUD. Zoom well out, point the camera down sligtly, and pick out the "200km" mark dead ahead of you. Double click on it as precisely as you can and you'll align to it, and light the MWD. Burn out to a few hundred km. You now have a dead straight insta undock, which will give you a faster average align time. [This doesn't work with some of the Dali-inspired Gallente stations, you have to eyeball those.] When using it, as you undock you'll come out a bit higher than your ship's normal maximum speed. This increases your align time a little. So wait a few seconds until your speed drops to your normal maximum, then warp to the bookmark. Most of the time this doesn't matter, but if a pro tackler is waiting for you it'll make the difference.
Pascal Almaric Perkone	Posted - 2010.07.18 11:14:00 - [9] Originally by: tr3jo About once a week or so I haul maybe 1km3 max cargo to and from a system about 9 jumps away If you have, or train, Amarr Frigate II you can get 1007m3 in a rigged Magnate. [Magnate, Small Haul] Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II [empty med slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Small Cargohold Optimization I Small Cargohold Optimization I Small Cargohold Optimization I Aligns in 4.3 seconds. Not an easy ship to catch. Provided you warp gate to gate and use undock bookmarks, your main worry would be smartbombers in front of a gate.
tr3jo	Posted - 2010.07.18 13:03:00 - [10] Edited by: tr3jo on 18/07/2010 13:04:09 Ok I think I got it, I semi copied a Viator fit from Battleclinic. I'll call it the poor (lazy?) mans Blockade Runner. [Exequror, New Setup 1] Inertia Stabilizers II Inertia Stabilizers II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Prototype Cloaking Device I [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I Yeh it has a high sig radius but with the cloak trick Patri linked that's a non issue, plus it aligns in 4.6 seconds as opposed to my Wreathe that was almost triple that lol. It also has 13.5k EHP so it can't be one shot. I could make it 15k but would require some shield tank training which I have basically zero of I'd get two T2 LSE and replace the other with an Invulnerability Field II. 900m3 capacity too which is perfect. I will not be taking it through low / null sec either, if I do I'll train for a proper Blockade Runner.

Heccie Thump	Posted - 2010.07.18 13:08:00 - [11] [Probe, Dogsbody] Core Probe Launcher I (Core Scanner Probe I) Salvager I 1MN MicroWarpdrive II ECM - Multispectral Jammer II 2x Expanded Cargohold II 3x Small Cargohold Optimization I 2x Hornet EC-300 I use this fit for general small scale hauling. With my skills it has 989m3 cargo capacity and is pretty much immune to being caught by suicide gankers in hisec. I have never needed to activate the ECM or launch drones.
Makko Gray Gallente Nexus Aerospace Corporation The Volition Cult	Posted - 2010.07.18 14:34:00 - [12] Originally by: tr3jo ...once a week or so I haul maybe 1km3 max cargo... Okay, can't keep the pedant in me quiet any longer: 1km3 is not equal to 1,000m3 ...in fact... 1km3 is 1,000,000,000m3 or 1000m x 1000m x 1000m But for 1,000m3 an exequror can be set up with a reasonable tank for shifting stuff and can get over 1800m3 with good skills - if you want even more protection you can stick cargohold expanders in a battleship. Transport ships are also good when you have the skills with one for each race being quick and cloaky and one being able to hold more of a tank and having a +2 bonus against being warp disrupted.
Titus Io	Posted - 2010.07.18 14:54:00 - [13] I think some people are missing the point here. Align time isn't what the problem is, it's tank AND align time. The idea of the magnate is just stupid. Intelligent people don't move things in shuttles (and they align faster than any frigate you care to mention) because they are very easily caught by disco gankers (the **s that do it just to ** people off, not profit). That magnate has the same problem. Every ship can be ganked if the ganker sets his/her mind to it. The point is to not make it profitable or disco-able. Remember that these gankers will lose a ship or two to take what you've got. Therefore it completely depends on what you're carrying. If you're carrying half a bil of stuff in something that can easily be ganked in a T1 fit cruiser, or even BS, you're walking on a very fine line. [Typhoon, New Setup 1] Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Inertia Stabilizers II Inertia Stabilizers II Inertia Stabilizers II Inertia Stabilizers II Damage Control II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] 1,000m3, 65k EHP in EFT, <6.6 sec align time with decent skills, still room for rigs if your cargo is very expensive. Why would you use anything else considering the risk?
Cikness	Posted - 2010.07.18 16:15:00 - [14] Another interesting solution is a Hurricane. You can use your Salvacane fit. They can handle almost 4k and are reasonably tough.
Newbie Ned Real Nice And Laidback Corporation Black Core Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.18 16:44:00 - [15] Edited by: Newbie Ned on 18/07/2010 16:45:09 Disregard - I should read first! Get a Viator and you will be unstoppable in empire and low sec.
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.07.18 17:21:00 - [16] Originally by: Makko Gray Originally by: tr3jo ...once a week or so I haul maybe 1km3 max cargo... Okay, can't keep the pedant in me quiet any longer: 1km3 is not equal to 1,000m3 ...in fact... 1km3 is 1,000,000,000m3 or 1000m x 1000m x 1000m pretty sure he meant 1k m3
RentableMuffin	Posted - 2010.07.18 19:38:00 - [17] Originally by: Patri Andari Originally by: tr3jo Well I just got suicide ganked in Jita lol, was aligning my Wreathe to Jita 4-4 as I got one shot. About once a week or so I haul maybe 1km3 max cargo to and from a system about 9 jumps away - I buy stuff from Jita, goto my mission system to get the BPC's from my main (LP reward), make them and ship back to Jita to sell. Since it's low volume I figured I could skip getting a blockade runner and was just wanting some advice as to what ship would be best for the job? I wasn't AFK so it wasn't a case of me being AFK at a gate in Jita with cargo but they got me as I was aligning. Should I maybe just get a cruiser and fit some buffer? Perhaps people are less inclined to bother scanning a cruiser? Or is there are fast aligning ship that can carry what I need? Thanks in advance. Go to Jita and buy a Slasher. Equip it with a MWD, cap recharger, and a cap power relay. Undock from the station and engage the MWD. Fly out as far as you can stomach but at least minimum warp distance which is 150km iirc but the further you go out the better. If your ship is bumped even slightly due to traffic, redock and start over! Once you get out far enough, make a book mark and label it "Jita 4-4 auto undock" or some such then dock at the station again. You now have an "insta undock" in Jita! Next, replace your wreath. Fit some shield extender and/or invulnerability field modules in the mids as well as a damage control and undock. Right click in open space and choose your bookmark under "My Places" and warp to 0. Activtae your hardeners and DC. Your ship will exit the station well above max warp speed and "almost" instantly warp to your bookmark even though it is an industrial unless it is bumped on exiting the station. If you are bumped, stop your ship (ctrl-space) and spam redock. Meanwhile, train your alt to pilot an Orca. Fit it with a 100mn MWD. That's how all the cool kids transpot expensive items in empire! HTH while that may be a good way for other stations jita is a lucky one, jita has a natural celestial undock! just warp to the moon that is straight out in front. if you are paranoid enough that you don't want to warp to the moon drop a bookmark or two in warp and warp to them.
Ten Head	Posted - 2010.07.18 19:50:00 - [18] Originally by: Newbie Ned Edited by: Newbie Ned on 18/07/2010 16:45:09 Get a Viator and you will be unstoppable in empire and low sec. This! Did I see a fit with a proto cloak? Get your skills up and fit a covops cloak. Also, if you were popped at the Perimeter gate, consider using a gate with less traffic. The only thing that will get you killed with a properly fitted viator (other than afk) is lag. Look at the ways that you can reduce this through your settings.
Ka choop	Posted - 2010.07.18 23:05:00 - [19] On character 1, put your stuff in a secure container. Now make a courier-contract for that secure container for character 2. Now haul the cargo with character 2. This way, when people scan you they will only see a secure container and not the contents. Remember, the "dual-layer packaging is important", pirates can just scan through a container but not if that container itself is in a courier wrap/package.
Cailyo	Posted - 2010.07.19 01:54:00 - [20] for expensive stuff you can always use a travel BS. pretty easy to get any over 1000m3 and solid tank. buy a t3 and set it up for hauling. should be able to autopilot. I had a tengu set with something like 1500m3 for a while on an alt.



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