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cyndrogen
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Posted - 2010.07.20 21:47:00 -
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I realize that macros are a big pain for the economy because macros are essentially like spam bots, brainless drones which perform one task repeatedly. While Hulkageddon is a good way to delay macro miners it does absolutely NOTHING to stop macro miners / industrialists.
My proposal is VERY simple:
Require a passowrd captcha system while trying to dock to a station more then 10 times to verify that the person is actually playing the game. Every website on the planet uses a captcha system to deter bots from spamming forums and I think docking should have the same mechanic. As in after your 10th dock the system asks you for a password, without a password the ship is locked INSIDE the station preventing it from entering the system.
It's so simple and while it doesn't completely KILL the macro miner it prevents long periods of AFK. I would be OK with entering a word generated by CCP servers every hour or every 5 docks in order to enter space again.
Come on , unless you support macro mining in EVE please think about implementing this seriously. If your forums have a captcha system so should EVE online.
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Lanson Richards
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Posted - 2010.07.20 22:18:00 -
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This, for great veldespar!
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.07.20 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: cyndrogen I realize that macros are a big pain for the economy because macros are essentially like spam bots, brainless drones which perform one task repeatedly. While Hulkageddon is a good way to delay macro miners it does absolutely NOTHING to stop macro miners / industrialists.
My proposal is VERY simple:
Require a passowrd captcha system while trying to dock to a station more then 10 times to verify that the person is actually playing the game. Every website on the planet uses a captcha system to deter bots from spamming forums and I think docking should have the same mechanic. As in after your 10th dock the system asks you for a password, without a password the ship is locked INSIDE the station preventing it from entering the system.
It's so simple and while it doesn't completely KILL the macro miner it prevents long periods of AFK. I would be OK with entering a word generated by CCP servers every hour or every 5 docks in order to enter space again.
Come on , unless you support macro mining in EVE please think about implementing this seriously. If your forums have a captcha system so should EVE online.
you want to use www.eve-search.com. this has been suggested before.
and no ... captchas are annoying on the web already. oh and you still believe that captchas stop anything? captchas are already broken by spam bots.
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cyndrogen
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Posted - 2010.07.20 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: darius mclever captchas are annoying on the web already. oh and you still believe that captchas stop anything? captchas are already broken by spam bots.
No people like you are annoying because you think there is NOTHING that can be done. Show me an example of what you're talking about, where and HOW have captcha been broken by bots? Be specific.
Do you even know what I am talking about or what a captcha is?
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.07.20 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: cyndrogen
Originally by: darius mclever captchas are annoying on the web already. oh and you still believe that captchas stop anything? captchas are already broken by spam bots.
No people like you are annoying because you think there is NOTHING that can be done. Show me an example of what you're talking about, where and HOW have captcha been broken by bots? Be specific.
Do you even know what I am talking about or what a captcha is?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAPTCHA
see link number 17. ;)
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DuKackBoon
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Posted - 2010.07.20 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: cyndrogen Require a passowrd captcha
The day captchas are implemented into EVE, is the day me, and 99.9% of EVE, will quit.
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Jin Labarre
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Posted - 2010.07.21 00:23:00 -
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Edited by: Jin Labarre on 21/07/2010 00:23:48 Macros can easily be identified because their command input always has some kind of pattern. So if CCP wants to fight macros, they just need to do some simple automated pattern recognition to identify them. No need to do it on everyone, 24/7. Accounts that show certain signs of definitive human activity would not need to be scanned and the remaining accounts could just be checked with snap samples.
When a possible macro is identified by the system, a game master is alerted, who then just has to take a close look and make a decision.
CCP does not have to implement anything that regular players would ever have to notice, or care about.
"The day captchas are implemented into EVE, is the day me, and 99.9% of EVE, will quit."
Just in case and for tradition's sake, if it should ever happen: Can I has ur stuffs? -- Smoke me a Rifter. I'll be back for lagfest. |
Black Dranzer
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Posted - 2010.07.21 00:44:00 -
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I wrote this out before reading this thread, only the subject title. I am currently writing this in a text editor. If applicable, I will post straight to the thread without any modification.
This idea will be easily circumvented by one average chinese programmer reconfiguring a couple of LUA scripts. -------------------------------------------------- Learning skills are an ultimatum, not a choice. |
Turdilious
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Posted - 2010.07.21 00:58:00 -
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ItÆs probably only a few lines of code to address third party services using the mouse to automate functions. CCP doesnÆt want to do it because they feel the immediate issue for them would be that they lose money by loss of macro mining accounts. Sad but that probably what they think. WhatÆs really sad is the fact that these macro mining accounts may account for allot of lost subscriptions.
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Berikath
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Posted - 2010.07.21 02:53:00 -
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A simple solution to macro-miners:
Add mini-POSes. These are anchorable in belts. Also add strip miner turrets.
Hey, it'll get rid of macro-miners.... that's for SURE.
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Blue Dragon
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Posted - 2010.07.21 03:15:00 -
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Edited by: Blue Dragon on 21/07/2010 03:15:38 Think I would have to say, no matter what solution folks come up with, macro mining is profitable enough that folks WILL find a way around it.
Perhaps a better way to go about it is to borrow an idea from hulkageddon. :)
Lock onto a target and see if they twitch. If they don't change position, return fire, yell at you or otherwise show some sign of life, concord shouldn't butt in when you blast'em to pieces then.
He look, macro miner.. FREE KILLMAIL! Anyone want it?
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Berikath
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Posted - 2010.07.21 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: Blue Dragon Edited by: Blue Dragon on 21/07/2010 03:15:38 Think I would have to say, no matter what solution folks come up with, macro mining is profitable enough that folks WILL find a way around it.
Perhaps a better way to go about it is to borrow an idea from hulkageddon. :)
Lock onto a target and see if they twitch. If they don't change position, return fire, yell at you or otherwise show some sign of life, concord shouldn't butt in when you blast'em to pieces then.
He look, macro miner.. FREE KILLMAIL! Anyone want it?
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Originally by: Berikath A simple solution to macro-miners:
Add mini-POSes. These are anchorable in belts. Also add strip miner turrets.
Hey, it'll get rid of macro-miners.... that's for SURE.
^^ would work. There wouldn't be any more macro miners. Also, everybody could be banned from eve. Or all mining lasers rendered inactive.
There are plenty of ways to get rid of all macro miners.
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RatKnight1
Gallente Mahdi Followers
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Posted - 2010.07.21 05:51:00 -
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Okay, have you considered the stupidity of this idea?
A typical day mining:
1) Undock 2) warp to bookmark 3) Survey Scan 4) start mining 5) Cargohold full, return to station 6) dock 7) unload cargo 8) Undock
Repeat.
Pattern recognition would be useless. Besides, I think it is safe to assume that most macro's by now have some sort of automated random delays built in for certain functions to make it appear more human. Basically, look for accounts that are ACTIVELY running for 23/7.
Also, CCP isn't gonna kill macro's for 2 reasons:
1) PLEX won't work without them 2) That is probably 5 - 10% of their subscriber base.
Just saying.
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Jita Bloodtear
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Posted - 2010.07.21 11:19:00 -
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The only true workable defense against macro miners is implementing an easy reporting function (much like ISK spammers) and having this flag them to CCP. Mixed with a number of statistics such as account uptime, docking runs made in the last X days, ore mined, chat logs produced from said char, CCP should be able to prioritize reports. Granted this isn't an all inclusive method to stop bots, but it's a damn good start. Quite frankly an investigation needs to be performed on each one, and CCP's motives for banning thousands of paying accounts would seem to be lacking... --------------------------- Full Explanation of the Industry Index System |
Ninetails o'Cat
League of Super Evil
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Posted - 2010.07.21 11:43:00 -
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There is only one way to get macros out of EVE.
Just make mining take some actual thought and effort.
I know a lot of miners do it because it takes little active concentration, but that is exactly why it is so easy to macro. If you make it so mining requires continuous human input, then macros will be pretty useless.
Things I would do to cut macros out of EVE:
1. Make mining belts have to be scanned down, rather than just warped to. That should be hard to automate.
2. Make mining belts bigger with variable concentrations (E.g. The massive system wide belts that people often say that they want). Consequentially, give miners more tools to find the optimum locations for them to mine; again, a hopefully hard to automate system.
3. Make mining a more active process, by making all the asteroids contain variable amounts of each raw mineral (e.g. you may have a asteroid that gives veldspar, isogen and scordite, in some ratio), and then put in 'fools' minerals, that you can tell apart with a little observation, so that without a human input, a macro could end up mining crap all day and make little profit.
4. MOAR UNHOLY RAGE!
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Miner Amarr
No Risk No ISK
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Posted - 2010.07.21 13:30:00 -
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Edited by: Miner Amarr on 21/07/2010 13:36:40 So you are in 0.0, at your station, in your jump freighter that costs 5 billion isk and you want to dock because you just jumped and reds are shooting at you.
Now you hit dock and you have to type 20 characters that you hardly recognise before docking, while you are typing your multibillion ship is going into hull. You must stay cool or you may miss some. And if you miss just 1 character, you get banned forever. So you lose your ship and you file your petition to get it reimbursed. After 5 months of waiting CCP tells you that you wont get anything back because it was not a server-side problem and they didnt log anything, while in fact they log everything, even your mouse moves.
This will definitely stop macro mining and add fun to the game.
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