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Squat Hardpeck
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2010.07.23 06:40:00 -
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I've been looking to expand my manufacturing business, observing markets and such as that. I wanted to begin moving away from simple T1 modules and low-cost ships, as the returns aren't too great, and instead I wanted to move towards higher-investment ship production such as battlecruisers and battleships.
Currently, I have a handful of blueprints in the ME research cooker, but I began to wonder if the risks of transport were worth it. I wanted to move these out to 0.0 and produce them, as the returns are very nice in comparison to high-sec prices.
I was thinking though, why couldn't I simply buy a bunch of low-cost multi-run BPCs and just haul them out there, rather than risk losing these expensive BPOs?
Do the rewards outweigh the risks when I bring the BPO with me? Or, for more expensive ships/modules, would it be best to instead just bring BPCs?
I thank you for your input. Fly safe!
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Dasola
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.23 07:11:00 -
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Well there are some BPO where makeing even 1-run copy takes longer then manufacturing 1-unit of item from that blueprint.
Personally i would say i would go with BPO in long run, expecially if theres outpost you can use for manufacturing.
Copies in my opinion are good at start when not yet sure how item is going to sell.
And if you can use lets say two cover ops ships, one as scout ahead and other to carrie bpo. Its should not be that hard to transport them in.
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PC l0adletter
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Posted - 2010.07.23 08:29:00 -
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Blueprints are very easy to transport. Put them in a covert ops with a cloak, a MWD, and 3 warp core stabs. Just avoid high-traffic nullsec pipes like HED-GP and you'll be fine.
Although I'd add that while prices in nullsec are better, volume is much lower. Also, it's a real pain to make T1 BC/BS without a freighter or a friend who has one, because they use a lot of minerals.
For variety's sake, you might want to consider buying a bunch of BPCs. IDK what your BPO collection is like, but i'm just guessing that you don't have a full set. If you're building battleships and BCs in nullsec in a decent market, it's definitely worth it to pick up copies of the more popular ships that you don't have the originals for.
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Tu Ko
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Posted - 2010.07.23 11:09:00 -
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As a 0.0 producer I find that buying BPC's contribute to less than 1% of the cost of the produced item. so unless you are making literally dozens of battleships a week there is no way the BPO will save you any real money. That said if you plan on also selling copies of said battleship BPO and already have a lab at the ready then you could research a BPO as an investment.
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rain9441
Big Head Want Dolly
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Posted - 2010.07.23 13:17:00 -
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The benefit of hauling the BPO out into 0.0 is that there are likely open copy slots out in 0.0 space. You'll eventually need to make copies for invention should you ever get into it.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.07.23 14:17:00 -
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The real answer is a question - are YOU good at safely running through 0.0?
I would think nothing of it. I run through 0.0 all the time.
On the other hand if you have only been to 0.0 a few times, theres a fair chance youll make a mistake and get busted.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.07.23 14:23:00 -
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Put up a courier contract and let somebody else take the risk 
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Squat Hardpeck
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2010.07.23 14:41:00 -
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Thanks for the responses guys, I'll comb through posts and reply.
 Originally by: Dasola
Personally i would say i would go with BPO in long run, expecially if theres outpost you can use for manufacturing.
Yep, luckily I picked a region of 0.0 where there are several points of NPC sovereignty, so thankfully I have easy access to manufacturing slots.
Originally by: PC l0adletter
For variety's sake, you might want to consider buying a bunch of BPCs. IDK what your BPO collection is like, but i'm just guessing that you don't have a full set. If you're building battleships and BCs in nullsec in a decent market, it's definitely worth it to pick up copies of the more popular ships that you don't have the originals for.
This is good advice, I'll have to do this. Thank you.
Originally by: rain9441
The benefit of hauling the BPO out into 0.0 is that there are likely open copy slots out in 0.0 space. You'll eventually need to make copies for invention should you ever get into it.
This is true. Sadly there are only a handful of alliance stations with copy slots available. I'll have to contact the alliance, hopefully they give me access, and not suddenly revoke it one day so I can't get my blueprints .
Originally by: Ghoest
The real answer is a question - are YOU good at safely running through 0.0?
I would think nothing of it. I run through 0.0 all the time.
On the other hand if you have only been to 0.0 a few times, theres a fair chance youll make a mistake and get busted.
I've been running my 0.0 manufacturing operation for around three months now, so I'm fairly adept at spotting gate camps and avoiding them. I've only been popped once so far, and that was because I disregarded the map info saying "20 ships destroyed in the past hour). I figured to just screw it and go! Didn't lose anything important, the ship itself was the most expensive thing lost (Transport ship).
Originally by: Akita T
Put up a courier contract and let somebody else take the risk
Now THIS is something worth trying!
Thanks for the replies guys, much appreciative. I'm gonna try the courier contracts first, see if there is some pilot with a never-may-care attitude!
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rain9441
Big Head Want Dolly
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Posted - 2010.07.23 15:17:00 -
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I would never setup a courier contract for a BPO to go to 0.0, especially if it is researched. It's a hassle to get a new replacement BPO. I'd rather scout out the path, setup appropriate bookmarks to avoid bubbles and do it myself. Sure it's a bit more work, but if you're serious about getting BPO's to 0.0 you're likely not going to be making one trip! Trusting some random player to do it is likely to get you nothing more than your collateral back.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.07.23 15:55:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 23/07/2010 15:55:20
Originally by: rain9441
It's a hassle to get a new replacement BPO.
Not really, it just takes a while. There are plenty of highsec research corps working fast and relatively cheap.
As long as he makes sure he prices the collateral properly, no worries there.
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Space Wanderer
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Posted - 2010.07.23 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: rain9441
Trusting some random player to do it is likely to get you nothing more than your collateral back.
Actually, unless you have experience in transporting stuff in 0.0 yourself (which you seem to be), you might be better off trusting in someone who does that as a profession. As Akita said as long as the collateral is adequate to buy back the researched BPO, there shouldn't be a problem. Only, it costs more than doing it yourself (an expert courier won't move for a fee less than 10/15% of the collateral, at least).
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Julia Venatrix
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Posted - 2010.07.23 18:50:00 -
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Do a dry run in a covops as soon as downtime ends. Don't risk the BPO the first time. Though to be honest, there are some routes you can take which will use a dual-prop Vigil and make it even without a cloak.
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