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Asheet Mahdroarz
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Posted - 2010.07.23 06:46:00 -
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Whats the market for toons with perfect learning skills? Is there one? I have one but am deciding whether to take it in a particular direction before selling.
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Asheet Mahdroarz
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Posted - 2010.07.23 16:00:00 -
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Bump for someone who might know. Is there a market for premade perfect learning skill toons? This one has 5.5 million with 5 million of it all the learning skills to 5, yes even both charismas as well as both remappings. Should I look to take it a particular direction before putting it up?
Just have no idea if there is a market for people who want to start a new toon ready to roll with full learning.
Any help would be great.
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THE LEGIONAIRE
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Posted - 2010.07.23 16:13:00 -
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1.5bil isk
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malanthus
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Posted - 2010.07.23 19:15:00 -
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I've been shopping for a mining toon for myself for a couple of weeks now. 1.5 is a very fair price, could be more depending on implants. Just remember that heading down a particular path will limit the available market.
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FarFromNugen
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Posted - 2010.07.23 19:25:00 -
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I am interested in your Perfect Learning toon. If you can link the name and the skill sheet, I will offer you a generous buyout.
Nugen
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Asheet Mahdroarz
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Posted - 2010.07.24 00:33:00 -
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http://eveboard.com/pilot/Asheet_Mahdroarz
Here is the link to his skill sheet. I added a bunch of support skills as I thought I was going to raise yet another alt but, really isk not another toon.
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FarFromNugen
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Posted - 2010.07.24 04:26:00 -
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The skills that have been trained, worked properly, would take a bit less than 4 months to train.
The approximate dollar value would then be $64 ($16 per month) which could then be converted to the Value of GTC's ($36 for 2 months). This would Convert to 1.7 GTC's. The GTC's go for approximately 600m on the forums which in turn put the base market value around 1.1B isk.
The transfer fee is $20, which is 56% of a GTC or 336m.
This brings the characters base market value to about 1.45B
Obviously you have put your time and dedication into getting the character to this point, you have invested in a set of +3's, and made the effort to get an honest price check of the character on the forum.
I will offer you a buyout of 1.8B or 350m over the base value.
If you are interested, let me know here.
Thanks,
Nugen
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Jellobear
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Posted - 2010.07.24 07:51:00 -
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 Originally by: FarFromNugen
The skills that have been trained, worked properly, would take a bit less than 4 months to train.
The approximate dollar value would then be $64 ($16 per month) which could then be converted to the Value of GTC's ($36 for 2 months). This would Convert to 1.7 GTC's. The GTC's go for approximately 600m on the forums which in turn put the base market value around 1.1B isk.
The transfer fee is $20, which is 56% of a GTC or 336m.
This brings the characters base market value to about 1.45B
Obviously you have put your time and dedication into getting the character to this point, you have invested in a set of +3's, and made the effort to get an honest price check of the character on the forum.
I will offer you a buyout of 1.8B or 350m over the base value.
If you are interested, let me know here.
Thanks,
Nugen
While your math may indeed by correct (I didn't bother to check), you're forgetting about opportunity cost. You're assuming that the value of the character is directly related to the amount of SP it has and the amount of isk/$ spent to train that SP. But, that's simply not the case. There's an opportunity cost to be considered. When he was training up a perfect SP character, he couldn't use it for anything else. You can't mine; You can't pvp; You can't mission. Whatever his 2nd best option was it was given up in order to train that character.
You're not just paying for SP; You're paying for convenience: the convenience of not having to be the person who trained the character.
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FarFromNugen
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Posted - 2010.07.24 11:47:00 -
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I understand how characters are valued.
I rounded up on all values, and have made a respectable offer 350m over that price.
If you feel this is an unreasonable offer, please place a higher bid. I am patiently seeking a Maxed Learning Alt.
Nugen
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Asheet Mahdroarz
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Posted - 2010.07.25 02:31:00 -
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Fair valuation for sure Nugen. Since I am the novice at character worth your logic seems sound enough. Make it 2 bil, its yours.
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FarFromNugen
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Posted - 2010.07.25 10:54:00 -
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Found a Character I couldn't pass up.
Free Bump.
Nugen
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Jellobear
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Posted - 2010.07.25 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: FarFromNugen
I understand how characters are valued.
I rounded up on all values, and have made a respectable offer 350m over that price.
If you feel this is an unreasonable offer, please place a higher bid. I am patiently seeking a Maxed Learning Alt.
Nugen
Clearly you don't if you felt that 1.8 bil was respectable. Although, the OP seem satisfied with it, and that's all that matters.
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Asheet Mahdroarz
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Posted - 2010.07.25 18:03:00 -
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Guess I will rebump. BO on this toon is 2 bill if you are in need of this type of start on a newer character.
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Asheet Mahdroarz
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Posted - 2010.07.26 14:05:00 -
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Bump.
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Asheet Mahdroarz
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Posted - 2010.07.27 00:28:00 -
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And bump.
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Oak Heart
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Posted - 2010.07.27 00:53:00 -
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Edited by: Oak Heart on 27/07/2010 00:57:25
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Asheet Mahdroarz
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Posted - 2010.07.27 20:04:00 -
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Bump in case someone wants a toon of this type.
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Asheet Mahdroarz
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Posted - 2010.07.28 18:35:00 -
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Daily bump...
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Bcex Bac
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Posted - 2010.08.02 03:07:00 -
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What about neural re-maps???
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Hiro Ngo
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Posted - 2010.08.02 03:31:00 -
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What you're forgetting in the valuation of this character is that training the T2 learning skills to V is rarely done because of the extra skillpoints. It adds something like 3.5m more to the total, while at the same time offering an extremely small SP : Value ration. This char is worth slightly more than your base 5/4 alt, at most 600m. The extra skillpoints are wasted training time and offer no significant value.
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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari
Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2010.08.02 04:28:00 -
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Originally by: Hiro Ngo
What you're forgetting in the valuation of this character is that training the T2 learning skills to V is rarely done because of the extra skillpoints. It adds something like 3.5m more to the total, while at the same time offering an extremely small SP : Value ration. This char is worth slightly more than your base 5/4 alt, at most 600m. The extra skillpoints are wasted training time and offer no significant value.
you trollin?
perhaps you never used evemon. when you set a goal of skills you wish to train for the next year of so. there is a blue suggestion tab that pops up and says trian this or that advanced learning skill to lvl 5 to save time.
so, saying that training lvl 5 is no significant value would be wrong.
especially when you get into that nice shiny ship at the end of the end sooner than had you not trained that those learing skills to 5.
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"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
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Hiro Ngo
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Posted - 2010.08.02 04:58:00 -
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Edited by: Hiro Ngo on 02/08/2010 05:05:10
Edited by: Hiro Ngo on 02/08/2010 05:03:18
Edited by: Hiro Ngo on 02/08/2010 05:02:29
Originally by: Psychotic Maniac
Originally by: Hiro Ngo
What you're forgetting in the valuation of this character is that training the T2 learning skills to V is rarely done because of the extra skillpoints. It adds something like 3.5m more to the total, while at the same time offering an extremely small SP : Value ration. This char is worth slightly more than your base 5/4 alt, at most 600m. The extra skillpoints are wasted training time and offer no significant value.
you trollin?
perhaps you never used evemon. when you set a goal of skills you wish to train for the next year of so. there is a blue suggestion tab that pops up and says trian this or that advanced learning skill to lvl 5 to save time.
so, saying that training lvl 5 is no significant value would be wrong.
especially when you get into that nice shiny ship at the end of the end sooner than had you not trained that those learing skills to 5.
The sheer amount of time it would take to train the skills to 5 and then have trained enough to start saving time would be 120+ days; you could be flying and fitting most subcaps long before that.
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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari
Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2010.08.02 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: Hiro Ngo
Edited by: Hiro Ngo on 02/08/2010 05:05:10
Edited by: Hiro Ngo on 02/08/2010 05:03:18
Edited by: Hiro Ngo on 02/08/2010 05:02:29
Originally by: Psychotic Maniac
Originally by: Hiro Ngo
What you're forgetting in the valuation of this character is that training the T2 learning skills to V is rarely done because of the extra skillpoints. It adds something like 3.5m more to the total, while at the same time offering an extremely small SP : Value ration. This char is worth slightly more than your base 5/4 alt, at most 600m. The extra skillpoints are wasted training time and offer no significant value.
you trollin?
perhaps you never used evemon. when you set a goal of skills you wish to train for the next year of so. there is a blue suggestion tab that pops up and says trian this or that advanced learning skill to lvl 5 to save time.
so, saying that training lvl 5 is no significant value would be wrong.
especially when you get into that nice shiny ship at the end of the end sooner than had you not trained that those learing skills to 5.
The sheer amount of time it would take to train the skills to 5 and then have trained enough to start saving time would be 120+ days; you could be flying and fitting most subcaps long before that.
try another edit. you still failed. better yet just go troll somewhere else. leave the guy alone and let him sell his. char. 
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"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
-John Wooden |
Hiro Ngo
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Posted - 2010.08.02 05:13:00 -
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Originally by: Psychotic Maniac
Originally by: Hiro Ngo
Edited by: Hiro Ngo on 02/08/2010 05:05:10
Edited by: Hiro Ngo on 02/08/2010 05:03:18
Edited by: Hiro Ngo on 02/08/2010 05:02:29
Originally by: Psychotic Maniac
Originally by: Hiro Ngo
What you're forgetting in the valuation of this character is that training the T2 learning skills to V is rarely done because of the extra skillpoints. It adds something like 3.5m more to the total, while at the same time offering an extremely small SP : Value ration. This char is worth slightly more than your base 5/4 alt, at most 600m. The extra skillpoints are wasted training time and offer no significant value.
you trollin?
perhaps you never used evemon. when you set a goal of skills you wish to train for the next year of so. there is a blue suggestion tab that pops up and says trian this or that advanced learning skill to lvl 5 to save time.
so, saying that training lvl 5 is no significant value would be wrong.
especially when you get into that nice shiny ship at the end of the end sooner than had you not trained that those learing skills to 5.
The sheer amount of time it would take to train the skills to 5 and then have trained enough to start saving time would be 120+ days; you could be flying and fitting most subcaps long before that.
try another edit. you still failed. better yet just go troll somewhere else. leave the guy alone and let him sell his. char.
Had to check my math, thought I had a double calculation in there; as it goes, I didn't, it's definitely 132 days plus. If you want to waste that much time, be my guest.
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Imodesky Kafelnikov
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Posted - 2010.08.02 07:46:00 -
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2 bill ready when you are.
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Asheet Mahdroarz
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Posted - 2010.08.03 22:54:00 -
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Offer accepted Imod and the character is yours per my in game eve mail response to yours. As stated I am available Eastern US time but can try and be flexible for a transfer time. Normally I can be available 22:00 to 4:00 GMT.
ISK will come to this character and I will pay transfer fee per normal rules.
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Asheet Mahdroarz
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Posted - 2010.08.03 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Hiro Ngo
Originally by: Psychotic Maniac
Originally by: Hiro Ngo
Edited by: Hiro Ngo on 02/08/2010 05:05:10
Edited by: Hiro Ngo on 02/08/2010 05:03:18
Edited by: Hiro Ngo on 02/08/2010 05:02:29
Originally by: Psychotic Maniac
you trollin?
perhaps you never used evemon. when you set a goal of skills you wish to train for the next year of so. there is a blue suggestion tab that pops up and says trian this or that advanced learning skill to lvl 5 to save time.
so, saying that training lvl 5 is no significant value would be wrong.
especially when you get into that nice shiny ship at the end of the end sooner than had you not trained that those learing skills to 5.
The sheer amount of time it would take to train the skills to 5 and then have trained enough to start saving time would be 120+ days; you could be flying and fitting most subcaps long before that.
try another edit. you still failed. better yet just go troll somewhere else. leave the guy alone and let him sell his. char.
Had to check my math, thought I had a double calculation in there; as it goes, I didn't, it's definitely 132 days plus. If you want to waste that much time, be my guest.
And not to keep an argument going in a character sale thread but having two characters over 80 million skill points with one near 100...I can pretty much say I wish I had gone straight to 5 learning skills way back. Its why I did it with this toon as I was expecting to turn him into a long term project...EVE however is getting a bit tedious right now with the lag so, no long term plans anymore.
Either way its over, Imod is getting himself a full learning skilled toon.
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