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Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.07.23 22:03:00 - [1] Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 23/07/2010 22:35:43 evetube.co.uk Once upon a time there was a video site for eve online, I think it was called damage dealer. I really used to enjoy browsing through all the fan videos on there, but then one day it died. About a year ago I started dust514.org and I bought a video component that could manage all the videos on the site. At the time I thought it was overkill for what I wanted it to do, but I figured it would leave me a lot of room for expansion when dust finally comes out. I always thought it would be cool to start another eve video site, so today on my first day off for the summer (six weeks off since work for a school, yay!) I put together evetube.co.uk It functions like youtube, but is exclusively for eve-online and dust 514 videos. While its still in the testing phase file uploads to the site will be "invite only" but everyone who registered will be able to post videos by simply pasting in a url from one of the following sites Google.com Blip.tv Break.com Brightcove.com Dailymotion.com Freecaster.tv, Gametrailers.com Jumpcut.com Megavideo.com Myspace.com Revver.com Screencast.com Schooltube.com uStream.tv Veoh.com Viddler.com Vimeo.com WeGame.com Yahoo.com zShare.net Youtube.com The next phase will be to allow people to upload videos to the site in FLV format (these do not need to be converted on the server so will not use much processing power) If there is enough demand I will move the site onto some dedicated hosting and enable file upload and conversion. I have been posting some videos from the alliance tournament as well as some other random fan videos. Obviously not all of the videos are my own creation. If your video appears on the site and you want it accredited to your own user account, please make an account on the site and I shall switch ownership of the video over to you. Alternatively if you are not happy for your video to be posted on the site I am more than happy to take it down. Dust514 \| Podlogs \| Pluggit
whispous Gallente NibbleTek RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.07.23 22:32:00 - [2] In b4 me
Josefius Gallente JOKAS Industries Independent Faction	Posted - 2010.07.23 22:37:00 - [3] and I thought jewtube.com was cool.
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.07.23 22:44:00 - [4] I endorse of this service. DB \| Map
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.07.23 22:55:00 - [5] Oh yeah and if anyone has any ideas for video categories/subcategories please post them up. Still working on those. Dust514 \| Podlogs \| Pluggit
Zendoren Aktaeon Industries	Posted - 2010.07.24 03:42:00 - [6] ROFL!!!!! Battleclinic bought the rights to the original evetube.com domain and had been sitting on its butt for some time now and have not done a thing with it.... Nice to see the community is giving Battleclinic a big FU!!!! ROFL Personally I was going to do the same thing but could not find a cost effective solution for scaling bandwidth requirements that come with a steaming media site! Good luck in your endeavorer and i hope things work out for you! Zen
Stick Cult Unspoken Autonomy.	Posted - 2010.07.24 05:08:00 - [7] Nice, good that someone finally filled up the hole left by Damage Dealer. (RIP) A suggestion though: The bar of videos saying "Being Watched Now", can you add a name onto them, like the tooltips that come up for the videos under Clear Skies 2? Because, well, they all look the same.. Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.07.24 08:52:00 - [8] Oh, well I wasent trying to step on anyone's toes but I guess if they have sat on it for years it wont be a big deal. As for the tool tips. It has them on explorer but not on chrome or firefox. I just had a look and they work until the javascript for the scrollbar loads on firefox and then stop functioning, so I'll have a look and see if this can be fixed. Dust514 \| Podlogs \| Pluggit
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari	Posted - 2010.07.24 11:38:00 - [9] Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 24/07/2010 11:38:08 Originally by: Zendoren Personally I was going to do the same thing but could not find a cost effective solution for scaling bandwidth requirements that come with a steaming media site! Didn't notice this bit.. I have quite a good vps lined up to use when it becomes required that also does cdn, but my hope is that I can encourage people to use vimeo (which is of very good quality and allows you to upload videos longer than 10mins unlike youtube) the free option allows for 500mb upload per week (so one hd video) which I think is pretty good. The paid version allows for 2gb/week and has all sorts of extra bells and whistles. I don't expect people will go for this option, but I am thinking of signing up for myself and uploading popular videos to save space and bandwith. I am currently struggling with the upload method, the component has three options: php (no progress bar and only 100mb but works) flash (only 100mb, but it works) cgi/perl (2000mb, but having issues :( ) If you are interested in helping out drop me a line on Eddie Gordo, Zephite, Kainda Gordo or Kalani Gordo. Dust514 \| Podlogs \| Pluggit
Grideris Gallente Fleet Coordination Commission	Posted - 2010.07.24 12:01:00 - [10] Originally by: Dan O'Connor I endorse of this service. I Second this for anything that Eddie puts out there.
Priss Eluveitie	Posted - 2010.07.24 12:30:00 - [11] This is awesome.
Corozan Aspinall Party Time Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.24 17:31:00 - [12] Eddie, looks great. I'm really excited about the prospect of this service. I forsee big bills in your near future though. Have you asked Chribba if he can help? OMG pushes a lot of data about.
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari	Posted - 2010.07.24 17:40:00 - [13] For obvious reasons I shall be encouraging people to use the third party stuff where possible. But yes, some big bills. Chribba now mostly uses torrents (although you can still direct download if you need to) as I think he must be in the same situation. I know a lot of people want to view videos in the 1680x1050 res, and with the script I am using this IS technically possible, it might however be prohibitively expensive (hence not even youtube and vimeo offer this) My idea was to have people upload in FLV format, at a HD res like 720x450 and add a field for an eve-files link for the full download. Dust514 \| Podlogs \| Pluggit
Corozan Aspinall Party Time Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.24 17:49:00 - [14] Yeah I do watch a lot of EVE gameplay stuff on youtube myself and the compression and general bleh of the client UI (in conjunction with poor codec/res selection) renders a lot of the videos a blurry mess. Even the better ones like Swatyy's stuff, despite being as 'clear' as they can be given the limitations in file size, do give you a headache after a while. Higher res/HD seems pretty necessary. Bit of an economic/technical challenge for sure! Vimeo looks good mind you .. the only problem I see with it is the same problem you always have when you rely on third parties to host your content. They go down, they go out of business, they get bought up and TOS get changed etc.
Zendoren Aktaeon Industries	Posted - 2010.07.24 19:54:00 - [15] Originally by: Eddie Gordo Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 24/07/2010 11:38:08 Originally by: Zendoren Personally I was going to do the same thing but could not find a cost effective solution for scaling bandwidth requirements that come with a steaming media site! Didn't notice this bit.. I have quite a good vps lined up to use when it becomes required that also does cdn, but my hope is that I can encourage people to use vimeo (which is of very good quality and allows you to upload videos longer than 10mins unlike youtube) the free option allows for 500mb upload per week (so one hd video) which I think is pretty good. The paid version allows for 2gb/week and has all sorts of extra bells and whistles. I don't expect people will go for this option, but I am thinking of signing up for myself and uploading popular videos to save space and bandwith. I am currently struggling with the upload method, the component has three options: php (no progress bar and only 100mb but works) flash (only 100mb, but it works) cgi/perl (2000mb, but having issues :( ) If you are interested in helping out drop me a line on Eddie Gordo, Zephite, Kainda Gordo or Kalani Gordo. The best solution I could come up with is two fold. 1) Windows Media Services 2) Colocation Hosting As for letting users upload videos, a simple php GUI should suffice; however, you will need to customize the php.ini file to allow larger files to be uploaded. One problem I foresee is scalability issues and abuse of the system. Windows Media Services allows you to reduce your bandwidth constraints while maintaining quality. This is done with the bitrate throttling technology that is incorporated into the server software. It allows the server to serve the files at a bitrate that is conducive to the end users bandwidth ability while maintaining decent quality picture and sound. With this said, all uploaders will have to summit files via windows media encoder if you do use Windows Media Services. As for colocation hosting. This will allow you to minimize your bandwidth costs by forcing the hosting company to meter you usage via the 95th Percentile Method. This is the cheepest way (other than Peering) that I could find to host a streaming media site. However this has some obvious upfront costs associated with it; however, in the long term is it the cheapest solution.
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari	Posted - 2010.07.24 23:42:00 - [16] All sounds a bit bespoke. The script I am using is a turn-key solution for the joomla CMS - hwdmediashare. I know about changing the PHP.ini files, so maybe that is the solution when I move off this "semi-dedicated" hosting I am currently on and go to a VPS I should be able to modify this. Current idea is to just limit the files to regular web HD quality (720x450ish) and add an extra field for people to provide a link to eve-files (or wherever) to download the original video on torrent. Semi Dedicated is pretty much just a beefed up version of shared hosting, not quite a vps. Basicly its like normal shared hosting but rather than sharing with 2-300 other accounts I'm on a server with no more than 10. Dust514 \| Podlogs \| Pluggit
Barkaial Starfinder Minmatar The Kairos Syndicate	Posted - 2010.07.25 00:17:00 - [17] I think you should keep EVE with the EVE font, even if you keep your current TUBE font for TUBE and something else. That is, if CCP doesn't complain.
Bastion Leyrin Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2010.07.25 02:08:00 - [18] Sweet man, I've been hoping someone would do this! Thanks for doing this. Really helps the community.
Solus Argum Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2010.07.25 03:56:00 - [19] LOL, Eddie you Killing me.... I just launched the SAME site.. :/ http://www.eve-tube.com ---- Solus Argum EvePress: New Eden's Free Blogging Community
Messoroz	Posted - 2010.07.25 04:03:00 - [20] Edited by: Messoroz on 25/07/2010 04:06:31 Edited by: Messoroz on 25/07/2010 04:06:12 Edited by: Messoroz on 25/07/2010 04:05:04 Quote: The next phase will be to allow people to upload videos to the site in FLV format (these do not need to be converted on the server so will not use much processing power) If there is enough demand I will move the site onto some dedicated hosting and enable file upload and conversion. Or you know...just use the youtube api instead of creating your own infrastructure...as it allows uploading to youtube, streaming 1080p videos, and custom players. So much better then spending money on reinventing the wheel. http://code.google.com/apis/youtube/overview.html
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2010.07.25 06:39:00 - [21] Edited by: Dr BattleSmith on 25/07/2010 06:43:32 Originally by: Eddie Gordo The next phase will be to allow people to upload videos to the site in FLV format (these do not need to be converted on the server so will not use much processing power) You'll want to "transcode" those videos after upload rather then just directly rehosting whatever dodgy files people upload. Transcoding will allow you to control the process, allowing you to tweak the file for efficient bandwidth use. You can use FFmpeg library to transcode many different video formats. This transcoding technique is how youtube and other video sites small and large work. If you allow users to simply upload a raw video file then bandwidth will blow out and exploits will be possible. Speaking of Amazon S3, they have a CDN (Content Distribution Network) for hosting files closer to users. Originally by: Zendoren Windows Media Services allows you to reduce your bandwidth constraints while maintaining quality. This is done with the bitrate throttling technology that is incorporated into the server software. It allows the server to serve the files at a bitrate that is conducive to the end users bandwidth ability while maintaining decent quality picture and sound. With this said, all uploaders will have to summit files via windows media encoder if you do use Windows Media Services. lighttpd would be a much better bet, could serve a LOT more from a single box. Continuiously throwing licenses and hardware at a MS solution is not the answer.

CCP Zymurgist Gallente C C P	Posted - 2010.07.25 14:17:00 - [22] Moved to My EVE from General Discussion. Zymurgist Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact Us

Flinx Evenstar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.07.27 00:38:00 - [23] Bumping this because my ego likes being the featured vid --- Witness epic fleet battles in Dominion
Graugaard Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.27 11:49:00 - [24] Been waiting so long for this to happen, i knew someone would do it just waited for it! now i will test the site out and leave a comment of what i think, ty so far! *sigh*
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.07.27 16:24:00 - [25] Ushra'khan ships dying is bad. But loads of zealots zooming about killing them looks good Dust514 \| Podlogs \| Pluggit

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