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Svarty II
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.24 14:57:00 -
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Edited by: Svarty II on 24/07/2010 14:58:27 Edited by: Svarty II on 24/07/2010 14:58:01 Wikipedia says:
Quote: Punishment is the practice of imposing something negative or unpleasant on a person or animal or property, usually in response to disobedience, defiance, or behavior deemed morally wrong by individual, governmental, or religious principles.
Dictionary.com says:
Quote: pun+ish+ment [puhn-ish-muhnt] ûnoun 1. the act of punishing. 2. the fact of being punished, as for an offense or fault. 3. a penalty inflicted for an offense, fault, etc. 4. severe handling or treatment.
Eve-Online says:
Quote: What are punishm...? What was that again?
Seriously, blowing up a ship isn't punishment, it's just a half measure on the route to apprehending a criminal. Where is the punishment?
Criminals should be captured, put into prison or penal colonies.
Punishment in Eve does not exist and this, frankly, is why it's such a mess.
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Gladys Pank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.07.24 15:05:00 -
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You need punishing for this terrible effort. Signature locked for inappropriate image. Zymurgist |
Killstealing
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Posted - 2010.07.24 15:07:00 -
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Edited by: Killstealing on 24/07/2010 15:07:51 As per the OP:
Punishment is the practice of imposing something negative or unpleasant on (...) property, in response to disobedience, defiance, or behavior deemed morally wrong by (...) CONCORD. Something negative or unpleasant: getting your ship blown up. Disobedience, defiance etc.: invoking CONCORD on your ass.
Go away and take your crap with you.
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Ran Khanon
Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.07.24 15:19:00 -
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Only thing the OP has going for him is the unwritten plea for having a functional bounty system which would really add to the game.
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2010.07.24 15:43:00 -
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The punishment is people like you starting threads like this. Fix Rockets in '08 '09 2010 2011 2012?! |
FU22
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2010.07.24 15:56:00 -
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+1
Originally by: Millie Clode Dear santa, for christmas I would like an endless supply of noobs to march across my screen so I can pretend I'm playing duck hunt
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Svarty II
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.24 21:08:00 -
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Obviously, I didn't expect people of low moral fibre to approve of a post questioning the severe lack of repurcussions for criminals. I was hoping for better flames, though.
I'm giving you flamers a B- thus far.
On a serious note, I'd like to hear suggestions for how you could actually punish offenders.
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Killstealing
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Posted - 2010.07.24 21:57:00 -
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How is the unavoidable blowing up of a ship a 'lack of repercussions'? try harder bro
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Harrigan VonStudly
Voodoo Tactical
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Posted - 2010.07.24 22:47:00 -
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Op. Is that you ankwhatsherface? Ashamed of your removal from CSM so now you spew the same rhetoric with an alt?
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Rudolf Speer
Speer Mining LLC
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Posted - 2010.07.25 03:23:00 -
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what is plesant about geting your ship blown up? how about lossing the right to enter highsec for much needed supplys. not to mention lowsing the protection provided by sentey guns(try living in 0.0 for a while and you might miss them).
in eve its wonderfull that its even possable to commet crimes. if you want a completly safe world go play wow or swg
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Drone 613
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Posted - 2010.07.25 04:19:00 -
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Let me just log in to play eve as my character stares at a cell. Gee that was fun.
You're probably a starving under bridge resident but I'll throw you a sammich, peanut butter and strawberry jam on sourdough for those interested.
There is indeed punishment in EVE. Problem is most people don't bother with it because it's hard, or a hassle, or they lack the creativity and confidence to actually strike back at those who have wronged them in a real way. Most would rather continue on mindlessly doing what they were doing before the offense and not be bothered with actually try to achieve the vengeance they so often loudly claim they want.
Why? Because most don't want real vengeance, they really want someone to tell them X person was an ass and to have a GM set things right by giving them their goodies back. They want the attention, they want to feel superior, they want to denounce the evil that has befallen them whether it was their own actions that led to the tragedy or not. It's easier after all to try and whine, fuss, and throw a fit in the hopes someone else will do your work for you rather than be bothered enough to do it yourself.
However, should you ACTUALLY seek vengeance, the same tools used to wrong you are there for you to employ as well and not under some "meanies only" lock and key. Combat, Espionage, War Decs, Corp theft, and so on. These are things you can use to get even, but they take time, effort, and dedication. Things the wronged are rarely ever willing to commit.
So there is punishment in EVE, you just have to get off your lazy ass and work for it.
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Slick O'Hara
The Sons of Anarchy.
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Posted - 2010.07.25 09:32:00 -
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People of low moral fibre! flying internet spaceships! not taking Security penalties, concord retaliation and kill rights seriously for killing another human bei.. err spaceship. I are shocked and/or appalled.
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San Severina
Minmatar One Point 0
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Posted - 2010.07.25 11:52:00 -
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I think CCP could do something about the Bounty System, it really is a Golden Opportunity going Begging IMHO.
But this aint the place for that, or the RR debate which they also should fix a.s.a.p. _ I mean FFS, neutral remote repping is an absolute joke let's face it.
Hey CCP, do a cr4p or get off the pot!
No sympathy for the Devil! Always remember that....
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Annie Anomie
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.25 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Svarty II Edited by: Svarty II on 24/07/2010 14:58:27 Edited by: Svarty II on 24/07/2010 14:58:01 Wikipedia says:
Quote: Punishment is the practice of imposing something negative or unpleasant on a person or animal or property, usually in response to disobedience, defiance, or behavior deemed morally wrong by individual, governmental, or religious principles.
Dictionary.com says:
Quote: pun+ish+ment [puhn-ish-muhnt] ûnoun 1. the act of punishing. 2. the fact of being punished, as for an offense or fault. 3. a penalty inflicted for an offense, fault, etc. 4. severe handling or treatment.
Eve-Online says:
Quote: What are punishm...? What was that again?
Seriously, blowing up a ship isn't punishment, it's just a half measure on the route to apprehending a criminal. Where is the punishment?
Criminals should be captured, put into prison or penal colonies.
Punishment in Eve does not exist and this, frankly, is why it's such a mess.
You said "penal".
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2010.07.25 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Andrea Griffin The punishment is people like you starting threads like this.
Quoted for truth.
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Marchocias
Silent Ninja's
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Posted - 2010.07.25 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Svarty II On a serious note, I'd like to hear suggestions for how you could actually punish offenders.
Dude... you're the one complaining - why dont you come up with solutions?
Fact is, that imprissoning players, or otherwise preventing them from playing, would just stop people playing.
---- I belong to Silent Ninja (Hopefully that should cover it). |
Aiwha
Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.07.25 19:06:00 -
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The weeks of endless ratting that you need to regain security status.
I consider that to be equitable to hard labor.
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Nalesh
The Children Of Gallifrey Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2010.07.25 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Aiwha The weeks of endless ratting that you need to regain security status.
I consider that to be equitable to hard labor.
And ****ty threads on CnP, that's a type of punishment too. ---
Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Originally by: CCP Soundwave I am literally the internet
Does that mean i'm shooting my packets into your inviting tubes?
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Ressiv
Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association
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Posted - 2010.07.25 19:43:00 -
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Edited by: Ressiv on 25/07/2010 19:43:37
Originally by: FU22
Originally by: Millie ClodeDear santa, for christmas I would like an endless supply of noobs to march across my screen so I can pretend I'm playing duck hunt
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Rudolf Speer
Speer Mining LLC
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Posted - 2010.07.25 22:30:00 -
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lets just compare concord to a real historicl police force.
if you wornged someone, commited theif or otherwize broke the law in first centry Rome; Rome's police forces were not in the bueness of aresting people and puting them in jail. they just beat the crap out of the offender. compare that to concord simply blowing up the 'offending' ship
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lord xavier
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Posted - 2010.07.25 23:01:00 -
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If you are unhappy with this portion of Eve-Life. There is a biomass button free of charge.
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Delilah Wild
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Posted - 2010.07.27 12:59:00 -
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Svarty has a point that we should not miss.
It may be that blowing up ships can be considered a form of punishment, or that punishment in Eve doesn't exist per se, being eclipsed by griefing and vengeance.
That said, Svarty's larger point about the disproportionate risks facing non-pirates stands. The uneven balance of isk and effort incurred by the suicide ganked hulk pilot, as compared to those that did the ganking, is a point in case. The broken nature of insurance payments, war decs, bounties, and other systems reinforce Svarty's insight that simply blowing up ships is a half-measure on the road to punishment. In this respect (albeit not in all), Eve is optimized for pirates.
That may or may not change over time. As Eve increasingly becomes a virtual cosmos, and as high sec residents become increasingly politicized, the pressure on CCP to fix these problems and level the sandbox grows.
For those of you interested in making change possible, I urge you to follow and participate in the debates on the Jita Park forum. Pirates are fully aware of the importance of Eve politics in maintaining their advantages in Eve. If you want change, then so too should you.
Delilah friendsofeve.wordpress.com
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Aiwha
Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.07.27 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Nalesh
Originally by: Aiwha The weeks of endless ratting that you need to regain security status.
I consider that to be equitable to hard labor.
And ****ty threads on CnP, that's a type of punishment too.
I suppose, but not everybody's forced to read them.
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Yuda Mann
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Posted - 2010.07.27 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Svarty II Punishment in Eve does not exist and this, frankly, is why it's such a mess.
What do you call kill rights then? You can wait until they're in an expensive ship or hauling an expensive load and you can kill them. If you don't see Concord response as punishment, then there is only one situation where there is no punishment, and that is if you fail to hand it out yourself with the kill rights you have been given.
It's your choice, but the choice you will make is obvious. To act like a scared child and instead of playing the game as it was intended you'll just cry in your dark little corner and hope someone has sympathy for you. HI! |
Commoner
Caldari The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.07.27 16:52:00 -
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Well, crime is not really present here, since the stupid rules doesn't allow us to post killboard links.
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