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Neo Omni
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Posted - 2010.07.25 02:16:00 -
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Why IÆm leaving EVE.
After 2 years of play, IÆve been trying to narrow down the one thing that throws a wrench into my EVE experience, and why I feel re-subbing for another year is not worth it.
Here it is: The bounty system is broken. IÆm a carebear. I wear a white hat and donÆt play the pirate/murderer/thieving angle. Why? Because I donÆt find shooting fish in a barrel entertaining. If thatÆs your thing well fine, but I fail to find the challenge in it.
The bounty system in this game is so severely broken that the ôcriminalö element has flourished to the point of imbalance.
There is absolutely no deterrent to keep you from going to the ôdark-sideö of EVE. The very things that CCP advertises and promotes about EVE are care-bearish in quality, but the actual game is not. The whole ôplayer run economyö is treated like someoneÆs bastard child with little to no improvement expansion after expansion.
Where is the central EVE bank? Where is the EVE stock exchange? Only CCP can monitor these things. Player run equivalents will always be subject to fraud. Why do we have to rely on third party tools like EVEMon and EFT to help with common tasks? Why arenÆt they part of the game? Why do we need to rely on a ôreputableö player to secure the prize for a lottery? Why arenÆt lotteries part of the in-game mechanics?
EvE is primitive, cut-throat/odds against you/survival of the fittest. That is how it should be advertised. Not as some pseudo-intellectual, well balanced space combat simulator. Even the tools of trade such as contracts wont protect you from ôignorance exploits.ö For example, there is nothing in-game that warns you to the possibility of not being able to dock at a player-owned outpost when accepting a PUBLIC courier contract.
Gate camps themselves are a complete joke, and the only way around them for the non-combatant is to find alternate routes if available, or wait until the pirates get tired and log off.
Hulkageddon? WTF is the point of that? For every Hulk you pop for the lulz, you indirectly run up ore prices and that nice shiny you fly will cost you that much more in the future.
With a bounty system that doesnÆt exist the imbalance will get worse and the carebear will continue to push the rope uphill.
So it all comes down to broken bounty hunting. It is hurting EVE.
On a side note: apparently CCP is more interested in making money than producing a quality product. This became obvious when the PLEX system was changed. Something that no one ever complained about and wasnÆt broken, yet CCP somehow, magically found the time and resources to change it. Why? Because it improves CCPÆs bottom line via noob ignorance. The only winner in that change is CCP. It does nothing for the player.
Finally, how the hell do you break something that wasnÆt supposed to be touched in the first place? IÆm talking about expansions. They are supposed to add content and fix bugs...not introduce new ones. Now, I can understand if a new feature has bugs...that is to be expected. But the last expansion broke the autopilot disabling ôsafeö travel for a few days. The only reply from CCP was ôwe sent the autopilot back to school.ö I think that is CCPese for ôwe ****ed up æcause weÆre inferior programmers.ö
Are you people professionals or not? Do you take pride in your work or are you just going pay-check to pay-check? I would be embarrassed to be a dev for your company. IÆll be back when the bounty system is fixed so SHUT UP, IÆm keeping my stuff.So consider my sub expired until things change. Hopefully SOONÖ.
Fly safe, Neo
PS. Given the hardcore fanbase with the ôeyePhoneö mentality (ôshut-up and take my moneyö) and Dev-Alt character posts, I expect a lot of flack for this post (or it being locked æcause the truth hurts), so flame away.
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Zivoril
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Posted - 2010.07.25 02:19:00 -
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yes I like it!
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sue denim
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Posted - 2010.07.25 02:19:00 -
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I'm not reading that, can I have your stuff though?
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Stick Cult
Unspoken Autonomy.
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Posted - 2010.07.25 02:21:00 -
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Quote: Where is the central EVE bank? Where is the EVE stock exchange? Only CCP can monitor these things. Player run equivalents will always be subject to fraud.
Which is exactly why I LOVE Eve. Nothing is guaranteed and almost nothing is against the rules.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Neo Omni
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.25 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: Stick Cult
Quote: Where is the central EVE bank? Where is the EVE stock exchange? Only CCP can monitor these things. Player run equivalents will always be subject to fraud.
Which is exactly why I LOVE Eve. Nothing is guaranteed and almost nothing is against the rules.
In that case then CONCORD should be player run as well.
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George MacFly
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Posted - 2010.07.25 02:27:00 -
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ible
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CRA5HD0WN
Caldari Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.25 02:29:00 -
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Edited by: CRA5HD0WN on 25/07/2010 02:30:10 Edited by: CRA5HD0WN on 25/07/2010 02:29:22 I read the post and it is very thought out and I have to agree with what most of what he says.
But I won't be quiting EVE yet, as I still have another year to endure before I will find it probably boring. I also noticed the bounty system is horrible and the most broken feature. The imbalance is there.
I Hope CCP fixes these features SOON aswell. but I'll keep flying for a little longer though. I do love eve
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Citivolus
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Posted - 2010.07.25 02:30:00 -
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i call troll. 10/10 ... I raise my glass to you sir.
If not, Can iz haz ur stuff?
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.25 02:44:00 -
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bounty system is borken but as long as there are alts it will be.
if they got rid of alts a lot more people would leave than the ones who leave because bounty is broken.
CCP is making the right call IMHO. This is clearly a signature. |
Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.25 02:51:00 -
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You're not Leaving Eve... Leaving Eve is Leaving Eve Signature locked for editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist |
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Lunachan
Minmatar One of These Days
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Posted - 2010.07.25 03:00:00 -
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A Central Bank?? They have ****ed up the real world economy lets keep that idiocy out of Eve at least.
'If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.'
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
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Posted - 2010.07.25 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: Neo Omni Why IÆm leaving EVE.
stuff
Here it is: The bounty system is broken.
Stopped really careing there, but kept reading to see how dumb you are
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IÆm a carebear.
Nuff Said
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The bounty system in this game is so severely broken that the ôcriminalö element has flourished to the point of imbalance.
There is absolutely no deterrent to keep you from going to the ôdark-sideö of EVE. The very things that CCP advertises and promotes about EVE are care-bearish in quality, but the actual game is not. The whole ôplayer run economyö is treated like someoneÆs bastard child with little to no improvement expansion after expansion.
Dont fix what aint broken. Study some real life economics sometime, you will find eve's are no different.
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Where is the central EVE bank? Where is the EVE stock exchange? Only CCP can monitor these things. Player run equivalents will always be subject to fraud.
How is this different from real life?
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Why do we have to rely on third party tools like EVEMon and EFT to help with common tasks? Why arenÆt they part of the game? Why do we need to rely on a ôreputableö player to secure the prize for a lottery? Why arenÆt lotteries part of the in-game mechanics?
/tinfoil hat
Chribba is a mob boss that controls all the lotteries and certain ccp devs. To include this in game would ruin his mafia on this
/end tinfoil hat
also, allowing the tools, 1. you dont need them. 2. who says ccp isnt developing them? But mainly because we have the test server.
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STUFF
So you are saying that thinking and using stratagy to play the game is dumb? Also you seem to say that people failing to use common sense should go unpunished.
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Hulkageddon? more stuff
So? Whats your point? Paying some extra isk isnt that bad.
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With a bounty system that doesnÆt exist the imbalance will get worse and the carebear will continue to push the rope uphill. So it all comes down to broken bounty hunting. It is hurting EVE.
How is it broken exactly, I see a player with a bounty and kill his pod and i get isk. It's that simple, unless his alt gets to him first.
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On a side note: apparently CCP is more interested in making money than producing a quality product. This became obvious when the PLEX system was changed. Something that no one ever complained about and wasnÆt broken, yet CCP somehow, magically found the time and resources to change it. Why? Because it improves CCPÆs bottom line via noob ignorance. The only winner in that change is CCP. It does nothing for the player.
Once again, if you cant use common sense in this game you dont deserve to play it or have nice things.
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Finally, how the hell do you break something that wasnÆt supposed to be touched in the first place? IÆm talking about expansions. They are supposed to add content and fix bugs...not introduce new ones. Now, I can understand if a new feature has bugs...that is to be expected. But the last expansion broke the autopilot disabling ôsafeö travel for a few days. The only reply from CCP was ôwe sent the autopilot back to school.ö I think that is CCPese for ôwe ****ed up æcause weÆre inferior programmers.ö
With nearly 1 million lines of code just for the client side, you think you can do better. www.ccpgames.com Go look at their job opennings and apply, otherwise STFU. **** happens, and with a game this size its bound to happen more often. I have written java code that when you pressed the button to close the java program it rebooted the computer.
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IÆm keeping my stuff.So consider my sub expired until things change. Hopefully SOONÖ.
So contract me all your stuff and I will see you at tomorrows roaming pug fleet?
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Neo Omni
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.25 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
fanboi rant
Like I said:
Originally by: Neo Omni
PS. Given the hardcore fanbase with the ôeyePhoneö mentality (ôshut-up and take my moneyö) and Dev-Alt character posts, I expect a lot of flack for this post (or it being locked æcause the truth hurts), so flame away.
Case closed.
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Optical Illusion
Minmatar Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.07.25 03:38:00 -
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World Of Tanks?
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Sadian Gray
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Posted - 2010.07.25 03:51:00 -
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Up to your "on a sidenote", everything you complained about is so obviously what makes Eve different from all the WoW clones that have sadly saturated the online gaming market that your post does seem trollish. But if it isn't then it is always sad to see players leave. And most would agree that the bounty system (a bit of a stretch tying it in to much of what you complained about but if you say so) does need work. Take a breather bro. There's plenty of other games out there that satisfy what you just complained about. My sister plays farmville and I don't think anyone can come and burn your farm down. So you might want to play those types of games for a while and then come back and tell us what you think. Sadian
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Batolemaeus
Caldari Money Liberation Services Corp
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Posted - 2010.07.25 03:59:00 -
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Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Stopped really careing there, but kept reading to see how dumb you are
That's rich. Not knowing how to spell, but calling others dumb. You fail.
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Reclamator Janu
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Posted - 2010.07.25 04:05:00 -
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Aren't you a Noomla K'larr alt?
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Whiny McEmokid
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Posted - 2010.07.25 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: Neo Omni
IÆm a carebear. I wear a white hat and donÆt play the pirate/murderer/thieving angle. Why? Because I donÆt find shooting fish in a barrel entertaining. If thatÆs your thing well fine, but I fail to find the challenge in it.
I hear that, bro, running missions is hard.
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2010.07.25 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: Reclamator Janu Aren't you a Noomla K'larr alt?
The forums have been heaven with that loser away... http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1358853
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Aiwha
Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.07.25 04:18:00 -
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As a carebear in all its forms, I can say that I love EVE the way it is.
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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2010.07.25 04:40:00 -
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after 2 years you still apparently havent learned to play this game. The bounty system isnt broken. How is it broke?You kill someone with a bounty you get paid. You want someone killed you offer a bounty. It is easier to higher a merc corp if you being griefed.
By dark side you mean pirating? no there is not. This is a pvp game. 2nd life is that way <----. You can carebear in it but you do at your own risk. If their was no pvp, people could just sit around and make trillions of isk until a t1 frig cost 1 bil. what would be the point in the game? to continuously make money carebearing it up for what purpose? It would make the game completely pointless if you removed pvp.
CCP got the bright idea to make the game as much player driven as possible. They went light on the rules and heavy on letting the players dictate a lot of things.their are scams and their are frauds. i once bought an itty 5 for 1.2 bil because the market updated at the wrong time and i clicked on the wrong sell order. I didnt emoquit over it.
Eve is far from primitive. You dont play many MMOs do you? i have played nearly 2 dozen MMOs over 15 years( i am only including games that do not have a single player option as MMO so no multiplayer/single player games). Eve uses cutting edge technology. In fact CCP is the one cutting the edges in MMOs. Their is no other MMO on the market that even remotely competes with eve. I could come up with a laundry list of how Eve WTFPWNS other MMOs but because CCP didnt build the game specifically for you i am sure your not interested.
Hulks i pop/ore prices go up: Not really Because you still have to compete with the other x amount of miners. Dozens of hulks get popped everyday. 1 hulk has 0 effect on an economy as large as EVEs. You are also forgetting about those large 0.0 alliances who have their own miners/indies and can pump out ships in large numbers, ratters and mission runners who loot and reprocess junk.ETC ETC. Eve balances it self and sometimes if need be CCP with adjust the supply to remove bottlenecks.
Trying playing wow. Not only do you have to pay a monthly membership but you have to pay for countless xpacks and the support sucks. But they got millions of people that are shoveling money in their pocket. CCP comes out with free xpacks every 6 months. and compared to most games they are pretty much flaw free. You will get one or two patches for minor fixes and thats it. Its a complicated game, its hard to catch everything on test.
CCP has some of the best programmers in the industry.many programmers/devs aspire to work for CCP where they are revolutionizing the MMO industry. Sometimes they miss something. They are human. What is important is that they are quick to make a fix for it.
It sounds like to me you want everyone else to play your way instead of changing your playstyle to fit the eve universe. On top of this it sounds like you want to blame all your in game failures on others including CCP. Rather than learning from your mistakes in game you rather just call the product bad/defective and use it as an excuse why you are not good at it.
I find your entire rant a pathetic attempt at sympathy. Stop blaming others for your failures and do something about it, IMO.
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mechtech
SRS Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2010.07.25 04:46:00 -
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You totally miss the point of eve, and why are you so angry? Just got caught in a gatecamp and had to make this post?
Player run stock exchanges, gate camps, mercenaries, crazy patch days, and even Hulkageddon is what makes eve so great. No other MMO has so much player created content. CCP simply changes the rules and basically lets the players do the rest.
Any FYI, I use blockade runners to get past gatecamps regularly.
You start off with an OK point, but you really get off track. "Why arenÆt lotteries part of the in-game mechanics?"... WTF are you smoking? Every mmo has out of game tools, no mmo has character building and skill tracking software build into the client! Eve-gate is actually the best example of what you want in the entire industry (and it's basically beta).
****ed at the bounty system? Who needs a bounty system, this is eve! Hire some mercs, that's part of what they're in business for.
"The whole ôplayer run economyö is treated like someoneÆs bastard child with little to no improvement expansion after expansion." CCP didn't just shake up the economy with PI? As someone who spends 75% of their time playing messing with the economy, it's by far, by FAR, the most complex and rewarding in the mmo industry.
"EvE is primitive, cut-throat/odds against you/survival of the fittest. That is how it should be advertised." It's called teamwork, if you come to eve-online and expect to play alone, be prepared for a cold dark universe. Hey, that's the way I play, it can be done, but you better have a pile of isk if you want to accomplish anything. Eve-online relies on true teamwork more than any other MMO I've played.
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Neo Omni
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.25 04:58:00 -
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Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn after 2 years you still apparently haven't learned to adjust your play-style to this game's shortcomings.
That is why I am not re-subbing. DUH!!!
Placing a bounty on someone is a JOKE!!! they laugh at you because you may as well had transferee the isk to their account.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.07.25 05:05:00 -
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Originally by: Neo Omni After 2 years of play, IÆve been trying to narrow down the one thing that throws a wrench into my EVE experience, and why I feel re-subbing for another year is not worth it.
Here it is: The bounty system is broken. ...
The bounty system in this game is so severely broken that the ôcriminalö element has flourished to the point of imbalance.
The criminal element flourishing has nothing to do with the bounty system being broken.
If you want to put a price on a certain person's head, the best way to achieve your aim of inflicting economic harm upon them is to hire a mercenary to do the job for you. Then you just have to figure out whether the mercenary actually inflicted economic harm on your angst-focus or not.
Perish the thought that in a game based on a community of PvP players, you'd have to start asking questions such as "who do I trust".
Quote: There is absolutely no deterrent to keep you from going to the ôdark-sideö of EVE.
EVE Online is billed as a PvP game. If there was no ôdark-sideö there would be no PvP.
Quote: The very things that CCP advertises and promotes about EVE are care-bearish in quality, but the actual game is not. The whole ôplayer run economyö is treated like someoneÆs bastard child with little to no improvement expansion after expansion.
Someone should send Iceland the memo that economics is not PvP game. Did you know that the UK used anti-terrorism laws to sieze assets of Icelandic banks?
Quote: Where is the central EVE bank? Where is the EVE stock exchange? Only CCP can monitor these things. Player run equivalents will always be subject to fraud.
Your "fraud" is the other guy's "awesome scam".
Quote: For example, there is nothing in-game that warns you to the possibility of not being able to dock at a player-owned outpost when accepting a PUBLIC courier contract.
There are numerous warnings about this in the introductory material. Check the series of guides on the EVElopedia starting with "Your first days in space."
Quote: Gate camps themselves are a complete joke, and the only way around them for the non-combatant is to find alternate routes if available, or wait until the pirates get tired and log off.
Or fly a blockade runner, or hire some mercenaries to break the gate camp, or pay the campers for right of passage, or send in a decoy alt flying a supertanked bestower, or any number of other tricks that you might have up your sleeve if you use your imagination.
Quote: PS. Given the hardcore fanbase with the ôeyePhoneö mentality (ôshut-up and take my moneyö) and Dev-Alt character posts, I expect a lot of flack for this post (or it being locked æcause the truth hurts), so flame away.
You know that your argument is paper thin, and you're setting up the universal counter-excuse that anyone who disagrees with you is a fanatical CCP supporter.
So you put a large bounty on someone, only to have him claim it by blowing himself up with an alt. Nobody uses bounties for the purpose of encouraging someone else to blow up a pirate who was mean to you. Bounties are used by outlaws to make themselves look cool - they're the EVE version of huge gold chains and other bling.
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Neo Omni
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.25 05:17:00 -
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"Habit is stronger than reason." -George Santayana
For many of you, EVE is habit. That is why you stay and apologize so much for it. That is why CCP finds no need to change.
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CCP Applebabe
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Posted - 2010.07.25 05:19:00 -
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Moved from EVE General Discussion.
Applebabe Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us |
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Mira O'karr
Minmatar Vivicide
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Posted - 2010.07.25 05:33:00 -
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why are topics that are totally not out of pod constantly being moved here?
to the op. glhf htfu.
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Jason filigree
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Posted - 2010.07.25 05:37:00 -
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The OP has a point about bounties being broken
The bounty system would seem to be the intended method by with a relatively low combat skill but asset rich player, corp, or even alliance can gain some retribution but the more conmen result is the target gets into a jump clone with no cyber wear and is killed by a friend or alt. thus the mechanism by which a non combat character could fight back has become a means of paying said enemy to kill you.
I would like to put a bounty to the destruction of my enemies assets. I nominate a percentage of destroyed assets value and a maximum I will pay. Say I list 50% and 10 million.
Somebody goes and blows up his ship with fittings worth 500k, that person gets 250K. somebody blows up his next ship worth 5k and only gets paid 2.5k
Somebody pods him while he has full level 5 cyber wear worth 500 million, they get whatever is left of my 10 million bounty.
Values of assets would be based on the 20 day moving average from the market; contract only items would take some work to include.
You will note that there is no way the target can profit from my placing this bounty because I am only paying half the value of the destroyed assets.
Paying to have a capsular podded is stupid, we are all immortal be know we cant actually eliminate an opponent.
Edward
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Neo Omni
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.25 06:54:00 -
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Originally by: Mira O'karr why are topics that are totally not out of pod constantly being moved here?
This is were topics go to dye when they rub ccp the wrong way.
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King Gore
The Church of Sentcha
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Posted - 2010.07.25 07:28:00 -
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Edited by: King Gore on 25/07/2010 07:30:01
Originally by: Neo Omni
Here it is: The bounty system is broken. (Stuff with nothing to do with the broken bounty system)
Duly noted.
EDIT: Also, the bounty system (like many things in EvE) is a double edged sword. -
Originally by: Verone Happy Ishtar is extremely happy
Originally by: Kahn Souphanousinphone I thought I was going to live next to a powerful man, now I just live next to power.
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