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Ran Khanon
Amarr
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.07.26 20:55:00 -
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I was doing some casual exploring in a remote 0.5ish area and I found myself all alone in a dead end system. Then suddenly, from the depths of space, a simple question rushed forward to my consciousness and hit me like a freight train with the mass of a thousand suns.
The temperature in my living room seemed to drop ten degrees and a shiver ran down my spine when I tried in vain to come up with answers ...
The question was this: what happens to systems when there is not a single pilot in them?
Please help me.
p.s. I can see ... ded plexes!
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Zions Child
Caldari
Carthage Industries
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.26 21:00:00 -
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I think if its the first time someone has been in them since the last DT and you're somewhat close to the end of downtime, it loads specially for you, other than that, it just idles, and the node its on shifts resources to the other systems on said node. Now, if all systems on a node are empty, thats a question.
 Originally by: CCP Shadow
*snip* Castration successful. Shadow.
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Ran Khanon
Amarr
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.07.26 21:08:00 -
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Thanks a lot Zion. You have brought me back to my senses.
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar
The Magnificent Bastards
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Posted - 2010.07.26 21:14:00 -
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"Scary" doesn't translate into "dumb" in your language, does it? :)
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Ran Khanon
Amarr
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.07.26 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Pesky LaRue
"Scary" doesn't translate into "dumb" in your language, does it? :)
Only in my particular case I guess 
... but the idea of belt rats chanting racial slurs in local and congregating to worship Satan when there is no player in system still spooks me.
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BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2010.07.26 21:24:00 -
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It's like those age old questions:
If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a noise?
With no air in space can you hear a scream?
If I am listening to music on headphones and my girl friend farts, does it make a stink?
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Hari Markkus
Freelancing Corp
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2010.07.26 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: BrundleMeth
If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a noise?
Yes, if you are a scientist. A fish on a bicycle, if you are a philosopher.
Originally by: BrundleMeth
With no air in space can you hear a scream?
It is unpossible for the sound to travel to your ears without any medium to transfer the energy.
Originally by: BrundleMeth
If I am listening to music on headphones and my girl friend farts, does it make a stink?
No, women's farts never stink. Even when they do.
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Owen Drakkar
Terra Nostra
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Posted - 2010.07.26 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Hari Markkus
Originally by: BrundleMeth
If I am listening to music on headphones and my girl friend farts, does it make a stink?
No, women's farts never stink. Even when they do.
Bow before the wise one.
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DJ Promos
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Posted - 2010.07.26 21:33:00 -
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Edited by: DJ Promos on 26/07/2010 21:34:30
I think OP is talking about: If there is nobody in a room, what happens to the room? Because there is nobody inside the room it is quite possible the room ceases to exist.
An interesting thought on the systems though. Unfortunately we know it just idles until someone enters... But for RP.. very good 
I like to think that the belt rats all jump in mining barges and take a shot at the the 'roids, until those pesky players show up, then they have to fly off and get into combat ships.
Edit: -.- Is it really that hard for the forums to remember what account I set as my main.
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Tyber Zenn
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.26 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: BrundleMeth
If I am listening to music on headphones and my girl friend farts, does it make a stink?
No, women's farts never stink. Even when they do.
You bloody liar!
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yani dumyat
Minmatar
Black Storm Cartel
The Orca Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.26 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ran Khanon
ded plexes!
When unobserved the empty system may contain every possible reality for the system, as such the plex is both ded and alive until such times as a player enters the system. Once the player enters the system the act of observing the plex collapses the realities in to the single reality observed by the player.
Entering previously unobserved plexes should be done with caution as you may be turned in to a cat of indeterminate aliveness.
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Scott McClellan
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Posted - 2010.07.26 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: BrundleMeth
It's like those age old questions:
If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a noise?
With no air in space can you hear a scream?
If I am listening to music on headphones and my girl friend farts, does it make a stink?
1. Of course it does, why wouldn't it?
2. No, screaming (or any vocal action) requires a medium to propagate, without that medium, there is no sound propagation.
3. Depends how much you like your girlfriend.
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HalogenWraith
Caldari
Veteran Defense Initiative
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Posted - 2010.07.26 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: Scott McClellan
1. Of course it does, why wouldn't it?
Actually..it doesn't.
When a tree falls in a forest with no living organisms around, all it does is compress air. It only makes noise when someone or something is nearby to hear it. Remember sound is just produced in your brain, it doesn't really exist, just like color. 
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2010.07.27 00:04:00 -
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Edited by: stoicfaux on 27/07/2010 00:06:17
Originally by: BrundleMeth
With no air in space can you hear a scream?
Yes. There may be no air in space, but there's plenty of air here on Earth.
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Monistat Seven
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.27 00:13:00 -
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A man walks through the woods and says something.
If there are no women around to hear him... is he still wrong?
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BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2010.07.27 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Scott McClellan
Originally by: BrundleMeth
It's like those age old questions:
If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a noise?
With no air in space can you hear a scream?
If I am listening to music on headphones and my girl friend farts, does it make a stink?
1. Of course it does, why wouldn't it?
2. No, screaming (or any vocal action) requires a medium to propagate, without that medium, there is no sound propagation.
3. Depends how much you like your girlfriend.
Almost as much as I like my wife...
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Zions Child
Caldari
Carthage Industries
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.27 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: BrundleMeth
Almost as much as I like my wife...
I relogged my account just to say:
Zing!
Originally by: CCP Shadow
*snip* Castration successful. Shadow.
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Beauregard Jackson
Minmatar
Old Bastards Club
Cold Bastards
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Posted - 2010.07.27 02:38:00 -
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Edited by: Beauregard Jackson on 27/07/2010 02:39:06
If a man makes a statement, and there's not a woman around to hear him, is he still wrong?
Edit: Damn, someone beat me to it...
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Retsujin
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Posted - 2010.07.27 05:58:00 -
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The hamsters are both dead and alive...
(See Schr÷dinger's Cat)
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sorrotus
Caldari
Devious Decorum
Crazy Rainbow Attack Ponies
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Posted - 2010.07.27 06:10:00 -
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Originally by: Monistat Seven
A man walks through the woods and says something.
If there are no women around to hear him... is he still wrong?
First I was like  , but then I serious'd 
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Terokone
Freedom-Technologies
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Posted - 2010.07.27 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: Retsujin
The hamsters are both dead and alive...
(See Schr÷dinger's Cat)
Only in this case, it would be CCP's hamsters. Thus, creating the (very odd) theory:
An unpopulated system powered by space hamsters is both non-existent and existent. That same system is noted as being existent on a galaxy map, however it is simply a label saying "Space hamsters be here or not." When someone comes along and enters the system, thereby destroying what was previously both a non-existent state and an existent state, the state of the system is therefore known to exist.
Even if, by proving the existence of a previously unknowable state of existence of the system, the system is proven to exist, the space hamsters as of yet still remain unproven in existence, even though the system has been proven to exist, as the space hamsters were effectively proven to be either non-existent or existent.
The only way we can adequately prove that the space hamsters exist is a request for pics of said space hamsters. Said space hamsters shall be proven to exist provided they meet the following criteria:
- The space hamsters wear a space helmet
- The space hamsters wear a space suit
- The space hamsters will be in a space wheel connected in some form or fashion to a server node
Failure by CCP to provide pics of said space hamsters will therefore prove that the space hamsters indeed do not exist. Thus, if the space hamsters do not exist, the system does not exist.
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Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network
Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.07.27 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Zions Child
I think if its the first time someone has been in them since the last DT and you're somewhat close to the end of downtime, it loads specially for you, other than that, it just idles, and the node its on shifts resources to the other systems on said node. Now, if all systems on a node are empty, thats a question.
Maybe then the computing power of those nodes is transferred to others.
<My tools>
CCP Zymurgist > lol thats great Dan O'connor
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Ran Khanon
Amarr
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.07.27 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: Terokone
Originally by: Retsujin
The hamsters are both dead and alive...
(See Schr÷dinger's Cat)
Only in this case, it would be CCP's hamsters. Thus, creating the (very odd) theory:
An unpopulated system powered by space hamsters is both non-existent and existent. That same system is noted as being existent on a galaxy map, however it is simply a label saying "Space hamsters be here or not." When someone comes along and enters the system, thereby destroying what was previously both a non-existent state and an existent state, the state of the system is therefore known to exist.
Even if, by proving the existence of a previously unknowable state of existence of the system, the system is proven to exist, the space hamsters as of yet still remain unproven in existence, even though the system has been proven to exist, as the space hamsters were effectively proven to be either non-existent or existent.
The only way we can adequately prove that the space hamsters exist is a request for pics of said space hamsters. Said space hamsters shall be proven to exist provided they meet the following criteria:
- The space hamsters wear a space helmet
- The space hamsters wear a space suit
- The space hamsters will be in a space wheel connected in some form or fashion to a server node
Failure by CCP to provide pics of said space hamsters will therefore prove that the space hamsters indeed do not exist. Thus, if the space hamsters do not exist, the system does not exist.
I bow my head and can only echo your demands. We need to open the lid on this these Schr÷dinger cat hamsters if we want to work towards a unifying theory of Internet Spaceship System States. Screw this uncertainty thingemebob. Einstein would have approved of our aim.
CCP, please take heed and answer our questions.
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Ressiv
Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association
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Posted - 2010.07.27 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: HalogenWraith
Originally by: Scott McClellan
1. Of course it does, why wouldn't it?
Actually..it doesn't.
That realy depends on how technical you want to get on 'sound'. I'f you mean percieved signal, then you are right. If you just mean signal, you are wrong. Technically he should've said soundwave then, but meh.
Quote:
When a tree falls in a forest with no living organisms around, all it does is compress air. It only makes noise when someone or something is nearby to hear it. Remember sound is just produced in your brain, it doesn't really exist, just like color.
This is stating it in general truth's, and nitpicking on literal meaning vs implied meaning. It doesnt just compress air, it does so in a frequency and specific pattern. This specific sound pattern is present, unrelated to being received or not.
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vulnevia
The Exploited.
Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.07.27 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: BrundleMeth
It's like those age old questions:
If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a noise?
Acctially it will not make a noise/sound since sound isn't the sound waves per se, they have to hit an ear drum (or mic etc) for it to become a sound 
So no ears; no sound!
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Average Jack
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Posted - 2010.07.27 11:45:00 -
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A more interesting question: if nobody is in the system and the node crashes, does it make a noise?
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Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network
Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.07.27 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Average Jack
A more interesting question: if nobody is in the system and the node crashes, does it make a noise?
No, but it does blend though
<My tools>
CCP Zymurgist > lol thats great Dan O'connor
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Dansel
Gallente
Telsa inc
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Posted - 2010.07.27 12:08:00 -
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Threads like this make me remember why I love the EVE community
And by the way, they should really separate sigs from the main post.
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vulnevia
The Exploited.
Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.07.27 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Average Jack
A more interesting question: if nobody is in the system and the node crashes, does it make a noise?
Who knows with the old invisible-in-local-exploit :D |
Poo Ka'hontas
Red Eye Industrial
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Posted - 2010.07.27 15:11:00 -
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Another Q to ponder about:
If Ran Khanon is not cleverly trolling the forums, are the forums still getting cleverly trolled? 
Originally by: CCP Fallout
No. CCP Shadow should behave the same way forums do during downtime. Up, but maybe a little slow.
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