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Ford Mersombre Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2010.07.28 13:03:00 - [1] Are there any ships that are small and light like frigs that can run level 3+ missions? Or are you pretty much stuck with being in the big slugs once you get past 2's?
Florio Miniature Giant Space Hamsters	Posted - 2010.07.28 13:10:00 - [2] Edited by: Florio on 28/07/2010 13:12:01 If I need to do level 3 combat missions to buff up standings I use a retribution. It can permarun a small repper, afterburner and lasers. I use a cap relay, eanm, adaptive nano membrane as well as the small rep in low. I don't bother with rigs on it so I can package the ship up and move it around easier.
Ford Mersombre Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2010.07.28 13:15:00 - [3] Originally by: Florio Edited by: Florio on 28/07/2010 13:12:01 If I need to do level 3 combat missions to buff up standings I use a retribution. It can permarun a small repper, afterburner and lasers. I use a cap relay, eanm, adaptive nano membrane as well as the small rep in low. I don't bother with rigs on it so I can package the ship up and move it around easier. Most Assault Frigs able to do that, or is it just a special circumstance/setup that lets you do that?
Denuo Secus	Posted - 2010.07.28 13:20:00 - [4] Originally by: Ford Mersombre Most Assault Frigs able to do that....? I'd say so. I did lvl3s in Amarr, Gallente and Caldari assault ships. Not the fastest way to do lvl3s but no real problem. Recently I tried a lvl3 just for fun in a Rifter and a rocket Kestrel. Sometimes a bit tight but it worked. Regarding rigs: small T1 rigs are dirt cheap now. I recommend to use them. You loose maybe 1-2mio ISK (dependant on the rig ofc) if you destroy them. - Save the missiles from the glowing blob :S R ----------> * A --------> * V --------> * E -------> * N ---------> *
Ford Mersombre Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2010.07.28 13:23:00 - [5] Originally by: Denuo Secus Originally by: Ford Mersombre Most Assault Frigs able to do that....? I'd say so. I did lvl3s in Amarr, Gallente and Caldari assault ships. Not the fastest way to do lvl3s but no real problem. Recently I tried a lvl3 just for fun in a Rifter and a rocket Kestrel. Sometimes a bit tight but it worked. Regarding rigs: small T1 rigs are dirt cheap now. I recommend to use them. You loose maybe 1-2mio ISK (dependant on the rig ofc) if you destroy them. Cool, I'll have to try it out and see where I can get with them. Are their any assault frigs that are regarded as "better" than the others, or better suited for running 3's?
Denuo Secus	Posted - 2010.07.28 13:29:00 - [6] Edited by: Denuo Secus on 28/07/2010 13:29:28 Originally by: Ford Mersombre Originally by: Denuo Secus Originally by: Ford Mersombre Most Assault Frigs able to do that....? I'd say so. I did lvl3s in Amarr, Gallente and Caldari assault ships. Not the fastest way to do lvl3s but no real problem. Recently I tried a lvl3 just for fun in a Rifter and a rocket Kestrel. Sometimes a bit tight but it worked. Regarding rigs: small T1 rigs are dirt cheap now. I recommend to use them. You loose maybe 1-2mio ISK (dependant on the rig ofc) if you destroy them. Cool, I'll have to try it out and see where I can get with them. Are their any assault frigs that are regarded as "better" than the others, or better suited for running 3's? If you do missions against EM weak rats use a Retribution as Florio said. Perfect for that job. The Mimi ASs are quite nice now as well since the projectile change. An Ishkur should work nice against Serpentis and Gurista. The blaster Enyo is also a lot of fun. But a web is needed on that ship imho. - Save the missiles from the glowing blob :S R ----------> * A --------> * V --------> * E -------> * N ---------> *
Seith Silverstein Something Rotten	Posted - 2010.07.28 13:31:00 - [7] Edited by: Seith Silverstein on 28/07/2010 13:31:24 EDIT: Damn! Too slow! ^^This. The Retribution and Jaguar can fit pretty solid tanks (Armor and Passive Shield respectively). The Vengeance would be great for this if rockets didn't suck out loud (But they do). I prefer an Ishkur. It has 5 + 5(at AF5) light drones, and blasters if you want to use them. It fits a pretty solid tank, though not as tough as the Amarr frigates. However, you can just fly at whatever range you want while your drones kill things. If it's big, get in close and rip it up. If it's a lot of small stuff, you can kite them while the drones take care of it. None of these options are very fast, however, so be prepared to take a lot of time. I doubt there will be much boredom though, as running missions you're out-classed for can be a good amount of fun. Originally by: CCP Soundwave I am literally the internet
Ford Mersombre Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2010.07.28 14:01:00 - [8] So they're all pretty situational depending on the missions your running? Thanks for the info. I love flying the light and fast rather than the big o' slug ships. heh! Thought I was doomed to be in the big guys until I got out into Nullsec and could fly tackle or something.
Denuo Secus	Posted - 2010.07.28 14:16:00 - [9] Originally by: Ford Mersombre So they're all pretty situational depending on the missions your running? Not tank wise. All ASs I tried in lvl3 missions were able to omni tank them. Should be no problem if your skills are a bit advanced on the particular field. It's the damage type of the weapon system which makes some ASs situational. That are the laser and hybrid ships. Drone, missile and projectile ships are allrounder and are able to pick damage type as needed. But don't overestimate that. I did Serpentis missions in a Retribution. Not that bad tbh. - Save the missiles from the glowing blob :S R ----------> * A --------> * V --------> * E -------> * N ---------> *
Ford Mersombre Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2010.07.28 16:52:00 - [10] Originally by: Denuo Secus Originally by: Ford Mersombre So they're all pretty situational depending on the missions your running? Not tank wise. All ASs I tried in lvl3 missions were able to omni tank them. Should be no problem if your skills are a bit advanced on the particular field. It's the damage type of the weapon system which makes some ASs situational. That are the laser and hybrid ships. Drone, missile and projectile ships are allrounder and are able to pick damage type as needed. But don't overestimate that. I did Serpentis missions in a Retribution. Not that bad tbh. I understand laser, since those are mostly EM... But why are hybrids situational? I thought you could swap out ammo on those like anything else?
Pesht	Posted - 2010.07.28 17:01:00 - [11] Assault frigates can even do level 4s, but at that point your damage is so low you take ages to kill the battleships and it's really not worth it.
Denuo Secus	Posted - 2010.07.28 17:02:00 - [12] Originally by: Ford Mersombre Originally by: Denuo Secus Originally by: Ford Mersombre So they're all pretty situational depending on the missions your running? Not tank wise. All ASs I tried in lvl3 missions were able to omni tank them. Should be no problem if your skills are a bit advanced on the particular field. It's the damage type of the weapon system which makes some ASs situational. That are the laser and hybrid ships. Drone, missile and projectile ships are allrounder and are able to pick damage type as needed. But don't overestimate that. I did Serpentis missions in a Retribution. Not that bad tbh. I understand laser, since those are mostly EM... But why are hybrids situational? I thought you could swap out ammo on those like anything else? All hybrid ammo does kinetic and thermal damage only. Nothing else. So you're not able to hit angles with explosive damage or sanshas with EM. Check this site for a nice overview over the damage types and their percentage for all ammo types: http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/market.php?group_id=108 - Save the missiles from the glowing blob :S R ----------> * A --------> * V --------> * E -------> * N ---------> *
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions	Posted - 2010.07.28 20:53:00 - [13] Originally by: Ford Mersombre Are there any ships that are small and light like frigs that can run level 3+ missions? Or are you pretty much stuck with being in the big slugs once you get past 2's? AFs, as noted, do well. I used an Ishkur before I could even fly a BC and have since tried a Jaguar with success. I have no doubt a Wolf could do fine, and likely a Harpy (which I've only flown for PvP and not very much) or Retribution would be alright. However, if you want something a bit different, I'd suggest both the Slicer and the Firetail. They're both great fun to fly and can definitely hold their own against their AF counterparts (especially the Slicer; I still can't justify a Retribution in comparison). Also, if you really want something fun in small ships, make sure you run the two pirate epic arcs. From what I can tell, they're best done in a, you guessed it, Dramiel. Other frigs will do fine though. And if you're seriously bored and need a change, run the SoE arc every three months in a different ship and see how it goes. So far I'm a huge Worm fan for that particular set of missions but I kinda want to at least try something more obscure and I've always at least liked the idea of a Succubus.... Maybe next time around. tl;dr: try the Slicer. It can be tons of fun.
Alt Tabbed	Posted - 2010.07.28 21:01:00 - [14] Originally by: Ford Mersombre Are there any ships that are small and light like frigs that can run level 3+ missions? Or are you pretty much stuck with being in the big slugs once you get past 2's? I've done several L4s in a Rifter... in fact a Rifter can do L3s quite nicely too... if you've done the missions before, know the triggers know when to kite and when to run.... The issue isn't really "can" you. It's more a case of "unless it's for sport" it's not really very fun. Orbiting a BS for 5-10 minutes before it dies isn't as enjoyable as slow boating across a giant void of space in a "big slug".
Magnus Orin Minmatar United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.07.28 21:53:00 - [15] Originally by: Florio Edited by: Florio on 28/07/2010 13:12:01 If I need to do level 3 combat missions to buff up standings I use a retribution. It can permarun a small repper, afterburner and lasers. I use a cap relay, eanm, adaptive nano membrane as well as the small rep in low. I don't bother with rigs on it so I can package the ship up and move it around easier. This, but rig it anyway. Most small rigs are less than 100k on any market. Or hell, by the BPO of the rigs you are gonna destroy all the time and build em yourself. There is literally zero excuse not to fully rig any frigate all the time. Sarcasm - Because i'm too far away to strangle you.
Deerin	Posted - 2010.07.29 07:07:00 - [16] Did a few L3's in rifter. It is a nice challange. But up a nice passive shield tank with purger rigs and you can tank those missions. Killing the enemy takes long. As for isk and lp/time, you are better off with using same setup for l2's
Headerman	Posted - 2010.07.29 07:32:00 - [17] A speed & shield tanked AF can do L3's quick enough, if it's capture something and gtfo, not used one for any other type of L3
Kadesh Priestess Scalding Chill	Posted - 2010.07.29 15:49:00 - [18] Edited by: Kadesh Priestess on 29/07/2010 15:49:00 Doing level 3 missions (with craptons of frigates) in a frig is a bad idea. Level 4 missions are much more convenient and provide much better yield. I usually go with lots of damage+speed fits, leaving just rep/sb for keeping ship alive. Retri can have up to 270 dps in cheap fitting, 320 in expensive (drones, sanshas, blood raiders, mercs, partially serpentis), daredevil 460 in expensive (serp/gurista), wolf 320-340 in cheap fitting (vitrually any npcs, but i use it only vs angels - other ships are better vs their opposite race). Also, stealth bombers are capable of running most of the lvl 5 missions.

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