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Vikarion
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.01 03:50:00 -
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I'm looking for some mercenaries to put the hurt on a FW corporation. Contract stipulations are as follows:
1. Low-sec work required.
2. Pay is 50 mil dec fee plus 10% of damage done according to KB, capped at 500 mil maximum a week. Enemy pods are 3 mil each. Kill tally should be verified by kill-boards, and will be cross-checked by public kill-boards. All fees are paid at the end of the contract period.
3. Contract period is one week, with buyer option for two.
If you are interested, contact me via eve-mail.
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Katarlia Simov
Minmatar
Cowboys From Hell
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Posted - 2010.08.01 07:34:00 -
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550mil max pay for a week in low sec is really on the low end... especially paying 10% of kills. They'll probably make more in loot tbh. Not a criticism just don't be surprised if you get crappy mercs.
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.01 13:47:00 -
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 Originally by: Katarlia Simov
550mil max pay for a week in low sec is really on the low end... especially paying 10% of kills. They'll probably make more in loot tbh. Not a criticism just don't be surprised if you get crappy mercs.
TBH the built in "get out of pay" card will scare off the low end mercs as well..
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Klazktrknuitzksalikamono
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Posted - 2010.08.01 17:46:00 -
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All fees are paid at the end of the contract period.
Good luck finding a dumb enough merc corp to take that. Though it shouldn't be too hard considering they're popping up in droves nowadays.
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Teh Paintress
Caldari Paint Supply
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Posted - 2010.08.01 23:36:00 -
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I'm guessing this moron doesn't have a RL job that teaches him about contract negotiation or job bidding.
Let's see, low sec contract..... raises difficulty..... price dictated, which is a nono and also a pathetic price. Setting his own pay per kill that is lower than most merc alliances, and then deciding he will pay at the end.
As icing on the cake I love how he will pay 50m for the Dec. So either you get some nobody corp, or you expect a merc alliance to drop all other wars for it ( exclusivity is expensive) or they have to take a hit on the dec fee.
OP is win all over.
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lord xavier
Queens of the Stone Age
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Posted - 2010.08.02 00:24:00 -
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 So... what your saying is that you want a merc corp to target someone in a lowsec system, where they have to worry about more then just their wartargets? Then you want to offer a price like that with minimal negotiations?
/done beating the dead horse
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Vikarion
Caldari
The Guardsmen
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Posted - 2010.08.02 05:25:00 -
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Edited by: Vikarion on 02/08/2010 05:27:30
I start with low bids and work upwards, in order to give newer corps that want to prove themselves a chance.
As for requiring exclusivity - no, I never asked for that. I'm paying for results, so I couldn't care less who else they dec. And most of the effective mercs I've known have been corporations, not alliances.
I had several offers, but they all work out of Amarr space, so I'm still looking. Limit is now raised to one billion.
As for holding the fee, if you can't manage a 50 mil dec fee, you have no business being a merc corp., and I have no desire to be scammed. That said, a third party transfer is acceptable (Chribba) if you don't trust me.
As for contract negotiation...no. These are terms, and if you like them, you can fill them, if you don't...don't. This is just for my personal fun, not because I need someone dead.
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Gladys Pank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.08.02 05:36:00 -
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You just don't get it do you.
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Vikarion
Caldari
The Guardsmen
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Posted - 2010.08.02 05:46:00 -
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Originally by: Gladys Pank
You just don't get it do you.
I get it perfectly well. You don't like how I'm offering a want ad. I'm telling you it's not a major problem for me what you do or do not like, and that if no one fills this I won't be especially put out. So waste your time elsewhere, or continue to do so here, it matters not.
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Teh Paintress
Caldari Paint Supply
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Posted - 2010.08.02 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion
Edited by: Vikarion on 02/08/2010 05:27:30
I start with low bids and work upwards, in order to give newer corps that want to prove themselves a chance.
As for requiring exclusivity - no, I never asked for that. I'm paying for results, so I couldn't care less who else they dec. And most of the effective mercs I've known have been corporations, not alliances.
I had several offers, but they all work out of Amarr space, so I'm still looking. Limit is now raised to one billion.
As for holding the fee, if you can't manage a 50 mil dec fee, you have no business being a merc corp., and I have no desire to be scammed. That said, a third party transfer is acceptable (Chribba) if you don't trust me.
As for contract negotiation...no. These are terms, and if you like them, you can fill them, if you don't...don't. This is just for my personal fun, not because I need someone dead.
I thought I would start this post out and try to be nice, but you're just too..... stupid.
There's the initial stupid of the original post. That's pretty stupid. I'd rate that as like lower Illinois farmer stupid. Then this post takes it to a new level. We're talking northern Oklahoma, the only good looking girl in the town is my sister but that's ok, except my dad already has dibs, stupid now.
When I said the 50m dec fee payment you were offering was ridiculous, what I meant was, 50m is the price for an alliance's dec fee IF THEY ONLY HAVE ONE DEC. So basically, since you said you weren't requiring exclusivity, what you mean is that it's ok for the alliance to keep their other wars, but you will only pay 50m of the war dec fee.
So say you are the 4th war the alliance has. You pay them 50m, and right off the bat they've already spent 150m isk of their own money to do the war. That was what I meant when I said you were an idiot.
Then you said that most of the effective mercs you have known are corps. Tells me you don't know anyone.
And you've had offers but the mercs work out of amarr space? Real mercs work everywhere.
What people were trying to drill into your inbred head was that your terms are just going to waste your isk. You aren't offering the kind of contract that will actually get anyone capable of completing the mission. The best you will get is some junk merc group that can't do anything but soak up some of your isk.
Congrats. Enjoy the fail. I have a sneaking suspicion you have a lot of it trailing in the wake of your life.
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Tofus
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Posted - 2010.08.02 10:05:00 -
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Edited by: Tofus on 02/08/2010 10:07:17
Question to OP: If I accept your offer, but am to lazy to hunt and kill anyone in the week the contract will last, will I still get my 50m? If so, sign me up!
Your terms are vague and non-standard for merc contracts. Payment after completion will lead to miscommunications with shabby mercs. Miscommunications lead to fear of not being paid. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. Great success ensured! 
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Lady Lard
Resistance Project
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Posted - 2010.08.02 11:07:00 -
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If you need this done tomorrow, I can't help you.
If you don't mind waiting until the end of this week, Resistance Project will do it for free.
As Angel Cartel affiliates, we will begin offering mercenary services soon. This would be a great chance for us to earn some reputation and work towards being a cohesive unit.
Please join RESIST AND DEFY in-game or shoot me a mail. Thanks
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Lotali
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Posted - 2010.08.02 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Lard
If you need this done tomorrow, I can't help you.
If you don't mind waiting until the end of this week, Resistance Project will do it for free.
As Angel Cartel affiliates, we will begin offering mercenary services soon. This would be a great chance for us to earn some reputation and work towards being a cohesive unit.
Please join RESIST AND DEFY in-game or shoot me a mail. Thanks
THANK YOU! For shooting everyone in this thread in the face. Seriously, you guys gotta troll every thread? I mean, the offer is nothing special, but why does everyone have to call the OP an idiot? I know a few mercs that work in Amarr area and don't like to move if it can be avoided - OP seems to have been in contact with them. 1050mil per week is a bad fee for who? For a 100 member + corps and alliances yes, but for say a 30 pilot corp it's a great offer. He also wrote in the damn OP that he's interested in giving new mercs a chance to prove themselves, which was, AGAIN spat at by all of you.
About not knowing how to make deals IRL, what the **** do you guys know? Driving a hard bargain and setting general rules first is the basis of most contracts, of course you negotiate later on, but an initial offer has to be set. God damn it, C&P is starting to fill with ***gots.
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Olthel
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Posted - 2010.08.02 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Teh Paintress
Originally by: Vikarion
stuff
Insulting troll
From OP:
I'm looking for some mercenaries to put the hurt on a FW corporation.
Means the fee will be 50M+ only for merc alliances. Did he specify he wants an alliance to handle it? 50M is a great deal for corp on corp war. You're obviously from the US, northern Oklahoma.
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Tofus
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Posted - 2010.08.02 13:28:00 -
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Edited by: Tofus on 02/08/2010 13:29:29
Originally by: Olthel
You're obviously from the US, northern Oklahoma.
And you obviously have never ran merc contracts. 50m for a week of war, including dec fees? I can make that in 2hrs of running level 4's. Why the hell would I bother cleaning up someone else's mess for that lousy ammount of isks? With a corp consisting of 20 mercs (small corp), that makes a grand total of 2.5m isks per merc per week.
Not sure what image of mercs you have, but the professionals hardly come out of their beds for that ammount. Let alone risks their expensive ships and implants to help some lazy idiot out that was too lazy to clean his own mess, and too cheap to pay enough to have someone else do it for them.
So yeah, in general you get what you pay for; If you don't to put down a decent ammount of isks, you will not receive a decent ammount of merc-services.
Notifying the OP of this fact is not trolling; It is conveying helpful information.
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Vikarion
Caldari
The Guardsmen
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Posted - 2010.08.03 05:30:00 -
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I've actually had great results from some lesser known corps for the price of 500 mil a week. As for no results - that's why I stipulate either a 3rd party or myself holding on to the fee until the end of the contract.
And yes, I've actually had quite a few offers - and to be honest, I don't care if it is a four person corp or four hundred - as noted, I'm paying for kills, not any particular objective. So, yeah, if you think you can do some hurting with a small corp, go for it.
Frankly, this "oh man, you need to be paid multiple billions to kill people in low-sec" attitude saddens me, especially seeing it here. I mean, after all, I kill people everywhere - for free! 
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Khul Drukath
Maelstrom Crew
Paradigm Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.03 07:30:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Lard
If you don't mind waiting until the end of this week, Resistance Project will do it for free.
As Angel Cartel affiliates, we will begin offering mercenary services soon. This would be a great chance for us to earn some reputation and work towards being a cohesive unit.
My opinion (and others may disagree) is that it is not a real contract if you are not taking payment. The reason for this opinion is that if you are doing it for free then you can walk away at any time - after all you don't really owe them anything as you were doing it for free. If you are holding onto client's ISK then you are obliged to fight for that client as until the end of the wardec period you OWE him. Most merc corps starting up don't realise this and that is why they fail (they get bored of camping elusive targets).
If you want to build your rep and be taken seriously then you need to start charging for your work right away, even if it's not a huge amount. Others of course may have different opinions.
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Vikarion
Caldari
The Guardsmen
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Posted - 2010.08.03 13:46:00 -
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Contract has been accepted, let's see how they do. 
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.08.03 15:40:00 -
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I see a growing trend.
1. Mercs want the world
and they want it up front.
2. This raises the potential for client scamming.
3. This makes clients demand payment for results.
4. This brings in total noobs who both think they are the **** and scammers ****ed because they cant scam the client.
5. Client gets ****ed and smack talks back.
6. Thread dissolves into a smackfest.
I think its probably time
Mercs take a chance and perform first and get paid as they perform with moderate upfront costs. You might get burned but too many clients are having to deal with scammers atm so mercs are losing buisness. It appears its sliding that way anyway due to all the holier than thou remarks im seeing.
Btw. Mercs arent exactly scarce and your status as one does not mean you get to always dictate terms unless you are a high profile good
Merc corp/alliance/whatever.
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jimmyjam
Gallente
Sinner Among Saints
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2010.08.03 15:44:00 -
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Theres only like 500 threads a week in here with mercs advertising.The search function may come in handy.
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Khul Drukath
Maelstrom Crew
Paradigm Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.03 17:21:00 -
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The MERC CONTRACTS channel was set up to help clients to not get scammed. The channel is carefully monitored and mercs that have scammed are removed. This happened just recently when a merc corp contacted a target to be paid off without the client's consent. They were swiftly removed from the channel.
Some corps will pose as mercs and scam. That is why you are often better going with an established group who's reputations are made or broken off of being honest.
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.08.03 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Khul Drukath
The MERC CONTRACTS channel was set up to help clients to not get scammed. The channel is carefully monitored and mercs that have scammed are removed. This happened just recently when a merc corp contacted a target to be paid off without the client's consent. They were swiftly removed from the channel.
Some corps will pose as mercs and scam. That is why you are often better going with an established group who's reputations are made or broken off of being honest.
Very nice. How many times you guys catch kublai or jonny101 mascarading in there hehe? |
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