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Goldair1
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Posted - 2010.08.01 09:29:00 -
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Ive been looking at starting to run Wormholes but what ive not been able to find is a setup for the ships.
What im looking for is a setup for a gallente duo.
Im not looking to solo it and dont have the skills for a T3.
So if anyone could help i would be gratefull.
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Guillieme Lohran
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Posted - 2010.08.01 12:32:00 -
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Edited by: Guillieme Lohran on 01/08/2010 12:34:04
What class?
Run a couple Myrms and you can do C1/C2 sites easily. Use lots of T2 light drones and pay attention to them. They are fast enough to boost their survival and hit hard enough, especially if at least one of you has a TP, that they can kill frigates fast, and frigates are the biggest threat to your drones. If there are going to be 3 or more of you then you can pretty much forget about Sleepers targetting your drones. They will devote all their attention to your ships.
Blasters will give you the most DPS from your ship guns but two of you with as many 250mm rails as you can fit will hit hard enough to kill things quickly, especially if you can fit T2s.
If you can run RR then you shouldn't have any tank problems and even with dual rep fits you should be able to kill quickly enough to keep the incoming DPS managable as long as you don't mess up the triggers.
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Goldair1
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Posted - 2010.08.01 13:02:00 -
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I was looking at a Class 3.
And both can use remote reps.
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Dante Fitzosborne
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Posted - 2010.08.01 17:14:00 -
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A couple RR Myrms or Domis and you'll be fine. Study up on the missions so you don't mess up the triggers and you know which ships web/nos, which is most of them.
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Viva Che
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Posted - 2010.08.01 17:23:00 -
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 Originally by: Dante Fitzosborne
A couple RR Myrms or Domis and you'll be fine. Study up on the missions so you don't mess up the triggers and you know which ships web/nos, which is most of them.
Do not use drone boats in WH. Sleepers will laugh at you. If you don't want/can't use a t3 here's what ya do:
1. List all the BC's and BS' you can fly.
2. Remove drone-centric ships like the domi and the myrm.
3. Throw darts at the remaining list until you hit something.
4. Fit that well and fly it. It'll clear a c2-3 just fine.
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Goldair1
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Posted - 2010.08.01 18:23:00 -
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So a brutix set up for pvp would be ok for a class 3 or should I go for a Megathron/Hyperion duo
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Mella Elcus
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Posted - 2010.08.01 18:45:00 -
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Gallente RR duo is one of the worst choice you can make when doing wh sites.
You can't really use drones without losing a lot of them
Blasters require you to fit a mwd/aft in order to apply any dps
On top of this on most C3 sites one of you will be completely webbed down so you won't be able to both stay in blaster range of any sleeper bc/bs while still be within ~8000m of your friend.
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Goldair1
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Posted - 2010.08.01 18:57:00 -
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Well if it was easier im cross training into minmitar ships on both characters if there minmitar ships that can do it better.
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Viva Che
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Posted - 2010.08.01 19:17:00 -
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Edited by: Viva Che on 01/08/2010 19:17:17
I've never used a gallente bs in a wh, so i can't comment on the mega/hyp deal. I can tell you; however, that a pair of hurricanes will do fine though. Just make sure you're awake, they don't tank quite as well as drakes. And ofc, if you plan to make a prolonged stay inside wh's, do yourlself a favor and train for a tengu. It's lightyears ahead of most other ships for wh operations of all kinds.
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Goldair1
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Posted - 2010.08.01 20:20:00 -
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So a pair of canes will be able to do class 3 wormholes. Has anyone got a fitting for the two ships.
Or would maybe a tempest and then a cane salvaging, code breaking, analyzing and maybe gas cloud harvesting too?
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Whiskeydod
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Posted - 2010.08.01 20:30:00 -
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I live in a class 3, and we have gallente pilots in the hole with us. Drone boats can do just fine in a hole, just make sure you keep a good eye on them and you will be fine. The myrm should have little trouble with the sleepers, so have them set up for local tank. RR doesn't really become beneficial unless there are 3 ships involved. However, having both a local tank, and backup RR in case things get hot isn't a bad idea either
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Denuo Secus
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Posted - 2010.08.01 21:25:00 -
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A while ago we lived in a class 3. We did all sites in 2 RR Sentry Dominix. Sometimes it was a bit tight because of the Sleeper BS's huge volleys. But with some attention it's doable easily.
We fitted no faction or complex stuff: 3x large RR on each ship. Try to get at least 2 of them cap stable by using RR-Cap rigs. If I remember correct we aimed a ~600-700 DPS omni tank. No local rep. Lowslots only for resists and cap.
Damage by sentries mostly. We noticed sleepers don't aggro our drones that much as soon as we're not solo. To distract them even more from our sentries we used a TP each. This helps your damage as well. Against the sleeper frigs we used medium drones mostly. The TP helps alot here.
You'll need a lock and drone range of ~90km because some Sleeper BSs tend to stay at around 80-90km. That means 2x Drone link augmentors in your high slots. The last free high slot was a heavy neut in case we get visitors.
Great advantage of the Dominix is you don't need ammo.
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Save the missiles from the glowing blob :S
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Goldair1
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Posted - 2010.08.02 06:33:00 -
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So the damage output of a class 3 is about 500-700.
Thanks for that ill look at fitting 2 domis up for the job then.
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JonShannow
Caldari
Regante
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Posted - 2010.08.02 07:17:00 -
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I have never actually used drone boats in wh space but here is a lil setup I cooked up when I was thinking of using a couple of domis...
[Dominix, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
ECM - Spatial Destabilizer II
Cap Recharger II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Large Energy Transfer Array II
Large Energy Transfer Array II
Large Energy Transfer Array II
Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large Egress Port Maximizer I
Large Egress Port Maximizer I
Large Egress Port Maximizer I
Garde II x5
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Maz3r Rakum
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Posted - 2010.08.02 23:36:00 -
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I use a myrm to run class 3 sites everyday. I run with a group, generally at least a drake and sometimes t3s, and it does pretty well. I don't have EFT handy at the moment but this is what i use.
5x 650 Arty II's
1x Drone Link Aug
3x Large Shield Extender IIs
2x Invul IIs
6x Shield Power Relays
3x Passive Recharge Shield Rigs
Has almost 1000dps omni tank, and decent dps for a cheap price.
Sleepers really don't shoot drones as much as i thought they would. In the last week I haven't lost a single drone. Maybe if you are solo they would shoot them more.
A passive shield tank Cain is also possible, and should have a sufficient tank for up to c3s though you would need very good shield skills.
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Endo Scrote
Amarr
Universal Moose Federation
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Posted - 2010.08.02 23:45:00 -
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Train for a proteus there is absolutely no excuse tbh, RR Domi's with sentries are good but in all honesty T3 are made for WHs mwd proteus with blasters are perfectly fine and they have best DPS
Just get all T3 skills to 5 its worth every minute
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Dante Fitzosborne
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Posted - 2010.08.05 12:39:00 -
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If you are in a group of 3 or more the Sleepers will almost never target your drones. Even just 2 people will reduce drone aggro significantly. With more than one ship the Sleepers will see them as the primary threat and tend to ignore drones. The horror stories about drones and Sleepers come mainly from people running solo and have been just assumed to be the same for groups.
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.08.05 12:57:00 -
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Domis with sentries, both with 2x rr, 2x nrg transfer and 2x lar - you should get around 1,5k tank perma /you shouldnt need more in c3/. They are also very cheap and have place for drone tracking link and sentry rig.
With rr on field sleepers shouldnt agro drones very often /ok, im not sure if theres only 2 rr ships  / and sentries can be scooped instantly to drone bay.
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Goldair1
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Posted - 2010.08.05 14:15:00 -
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Ive got myself a fit together but what I need to know now is the dps output.
Whats the average dps on a class 3/4?
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Toldain
Gallente
Skyforger
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2010.08.05 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Goldair1
Ive got myself a fit together but what I need to know now is the dps output.
Whats the average dps on a class 3/4?
The WH guy in my corp says to tank for 900 dps (I think he uses a specific WH composition, custom made, but omni is close).
We have also found that his Tengu seems to work much better than any Proteus fit we could work out. I was able to get a T2 fit that tanked that level, but the dps seemed kind of lackluster compared to the Tengu. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, since I used rails rather than blasters. But I understand you get webbed a lot by sleepers, and the blasters may be out of range a lot.
Personally, I find this rather disappointing. I spent months training my gunnery and my hybrid skills. I don't really want to throw that all away and train for a Tengu with missiles fit.
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Guillieme Lohran
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Posted - 2010.08.05 18:08:00 -
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Unfortunately the Proteus is better used with a group in C3s or higher. You can take out the webbing frigs because they tend to orbit within blaster range, yes rails DPS is pretty meh, but many cruisers and some battleships will web and rr so it can get pretty frustrating in a Proteus. In a group you can have others take out the ranged stuff, which will be repping the webbers, while you handle the close in ships. Solo can be done but it is slow.
I'm in the same boat and have just decided to quit fighting it and train up for a Tengu.
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Errtan
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Posted - 2010.08.06 02:45:00 -
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The specific nubmers for omni tank are hard to get exact, I've been working on minimising overtank on my legion and it has a lot to do with sig radius too. tank on my legion holds fine against dual BS even when webbed to high hell (moving about 70 m/s) and it's a 557 omni tank and 140 sig radius. Shield tanks need to be higher because of the bloated sig, the big missiles from BS' plow into my myrmidon for 1500-2000, while hitting my legion (at full speed) for 20..
a pair of shield tanked myrms sporting artillery will hold up just fine so long as you keep an eye on your drones, pack lots of T1 hobgobs and hammerheads and when possible kill frigs first. tank on my myrm was around 850 and put out 240 DPS, not spectacular but with 2 it would be sufficient.
The tengu advice is good, I love my legion and solo through C3's no problem, some take longer than others but they really are made for it. Blaster proteus would be a terrible idea for soloing due to webs and most crusiers and BS orbiting at 30+ km but as far as T1 is concerned Myrms can get the job done no problem, Domi's would be great too.
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