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Jita Jenn	Posted - 2010.08.01 12:10:00 - [1] So, I just did the Maze with some alliance mates yesterday and I have to say I was less than impressed. I've been told it's the most difficult plex in game but after my experience yesterday I find that hard to believe. Another issue I had with the plex was the rewards. I walked away with something like 6 mil from bounties (we had 7 in fleet) and the only loot that dropped was the 23rd tier personal effects. Add to that the fact that Guristas ships are just not worth salvaging and this plex turns into a bit of a waste of time. Maybe it's time to have a look at complexes in game and maybe tune them up. Make them a bit harder, put more high-value pirate ships in there, make it so at least one deadspace mod and maybe some faction ammo always drops with the overseer effects. As is it now I won't bother doing the Maze again. I can make up to 30 mil an hour ratting, so what's the point in plexing?
achoura	Posted - 2010.08.01 12:24:00 - [2] It's not the hardest by far, no quarter part 4 is tougher than the maze and that's just guristas. Do Sanshas or blood or 10/10, then complain about the maze being hard. Angels isn't exactly a cake walk either and all drops are random. The maze has dropped 4.5 bil on more than 1 occasion, and you don't need 7 people to do it. *The EVE servers and their patches*
Jita Jenn	Posted - 2010.08.01 12:42:00 - [3] Hmm, I think you misunderstood. I'm not saying The Maze is difficult, I'm saying it's actually pretty easy. Even if we only had 4 people it would have been fairly easy, just a bit longer. Also, if you add up the bounties the whole plex is worth about 50 mil. That's just not worth the time you'd have to spend doing this plex with a fleet of 3-4, especially if all you end up with is overseer effects. If the plexes were harder they'd actually be fun and bounties wouldn't really matter. If they had better bounties they might be better earners than just ratting. At the moment the Maze, a 10/10 plex, just doesn't seem to be worth the time it takes to clear it.
andeira	Posted - 2010.08.01 14:03:00 - [4] so you want them to be made harder and guarantee a drop that is worth your time? you do realise that once people find the propper way to run a complex it gets easy again? the only way they can make complexes harder is adding sleeper AI. Also you had just bad luck if from that 10/10 you had an awesome deadspace drop worth 3 or 4 billion total you would not be here complaining. Few day's ago I pulled 1.5 bil out of a 8/10 so you are just unlucky right now.
Jita Jenn	Posted - 2010.08.01 15:08:00 - [5] To be honest, I'd love if they just made them harder. At least then it would be fun, not just another mindless farming session. Basically, I was a hardcore WoW raider before I started playing EVE almost 2 years ago. There is no PvE experience in EVE that comes anywhere near the fun I had in a 25 man raid. Hell, even farming the 5 man instances was more fun than any of the PvE in EVE. I just wish CCP would invest a bit more time into the existing PvE side of EVE instead of wasting all this time on crap like DUST. If they're gonna keep PvE the way it is (incredibly easy and boring), then they should at least make it worth our time. Why plex when you make more ISK ratting? Sure you have a chance of a drop in a plex but you also have a chance of an officer spawn while ratting. TL:DR Fix PvE in EVE. It's just not fun.
triafrenum	Posted - 2010.08.01 16:05:00 - [6] Originally by: Jita Jenn To be honest, I'd love if they just made them harder. At least then it would be fun, not just another mindless farming session. Basically, I was a hardcore WoW raider before I started playing EVE almost 2 years ago. There is no PvE experience in EVE that comes anywhere near the fun I had in a 25 man raid. Hell, even farming the 5 man instances was more fun than any of the PvE in EVE. I just wish CCP would invest a bit more time into the existing PvE side of EVE instead of wasting all this time on crap like DUST. If they're gonna keep PvE the way it is (incredibly easy and boring), then they should at least make it worth our time. Why plex when you make more ISK ratting? Sure you have a chance of a drop in a plex but you also have a chance of an officer spawn while ratting. TL:DR Fix PvE in EVE. It's just not fun. First off EVE is a PVP game. PVP is what EVE is centered around so naturally PVE is not as good as it is in games like WOW where the game is centered around PVE. The last dev blog actually outlined what CCP is focusing on and there is 7 out of 127 developers working on Dust atm so I would hardly say that Dust is taking away from other aspects of the game. How do you propose they fix PVE. They tried adding sleepers as the next level of PVE but they are now a cakewalk. Just saying fix this I think its broken doesn't help much. Lastly go back to wow
lord xavier Queens of the Stone Age	Posted - 2010.08.01 23:50:00 - [7] Originally by: Jita Jenn To be honest, I'd love if they just made them harder. At least then it would be fun, not just another mindless farming session. Blah blah blah WoW-tastic player. Complain complain complain TL:DR Fix PvE in EVE. It's just not fun. What isn't fun about mind numbing, anti-social competion with a Non-Playable Character that doesn't even grief you. Biomass is free (of) Eve4life!
Widemouth Deepthroat	Posted - 2010.08.02 02:52:00 - [8] It is true the Maze is not hard...it is the fact that it does off racial damage type (EM) along with requiring ship able to tank the torps which catches people by surprise who can just sleep through majority of other plexes in a kin/therm tanked nighthawk, ishtar, etc. Same like the other gurista plex with EM smart bomb...very easy unless you go in there with a 0 EM resist shield tank ship and then your sitting in your pod wondering wtf happened. BR is also very easy if you use the right ship combination, I would guess same is true of Sansha/Angel 10/10 but I have never actually done those.
Jita Jenn	Posted - 2010.08.02 15:01:00 - [9] Originally by: triafrenum First off EVE is a PVP game. PVP is what EVE is centered around so naturally PVE is not as good as it is in games like WOW where the game is centered around PVE. The last dev blog actually outlined what CCP is focusing on and there is 7 out of 127 developers working on Dust atm so I would hardly say that Dust is taking away from other aspects of the game. How do you propose they fix PVE. They tried adding sleepers as the next level of PVE but they are now a cakewalk. Just saying fix this I think its broken doesn't help much. Lastly go back to wow Actually, I'd say about 70%-80% of EVE is PVE (mining, building, missions, ratting, plexing, exploration, WH, RP) with a relatively small percentage of players who actually PvP fulltime. WH exploration is probably the only thing that's still fun in EVE. No, sleepers are not a cakewalk and if you think they are then you've never been shot at by sleeper BS in a lvl 5 WH. Oh, and I saw a lot more work done by Blizz to balance the PvP side of WoW than I've ever seen CCP do for EVE. Blizz didn't always get it right but at least we could see they were doing things with the money we were giving them.
Anddeh McNab Matari Department of Gun Control	Posted - 2010.08.02 15:10:00 - [10] Originally by: Jita Jenn Basically, I was a hardcore WoW raider... Yeah... that's not a good thing to admit to. Pretty much the equivilant of saying to a pack of canibals "My face is feeling rather succulent today!". It just won't end well for you. Originally by: Jita Jenn Fix PvE in EVE. It's just not fun. I think there might be something in the works, if I remember rightly was Nohz was saying during AT8, but it'll be a long way off no doubt.
Wardecthis Lol	Posted - 2010.08.03 02:02:00 - [11] I have to agree with Jita Jenn. It kind of boggles my mind that CCP ignores that part of EVE that the vast majority of players spend their time with. The part that I don't get, is why they don't add some variety in the PvE content, since it's actually a very minimal amount of time and resources. There is no need for new coding for AI, graphics for ships, hell, even balance is pretty much already sorted out. No need to add new loot, just write some new missions, plexes, etc. to keep things interesting. In fact most of their missions are simple enough they could probably write a pretty reliable random mission generating script.
Haramir Haleths Caldari Nutella Bande	Posted - 2010.08.03 10:34:00 - [12] Edited by: Haramir Haleths on 03/08/2010 10:35:08 Doing the Maze with 7 people and then complaining its boring ? Did i get it right ? Raiding in EvE is just for the PvP part. And thats fine.
HottyChick	Posted - 2010.08.04 11:38:00 - [13] Drops from plexes are very random, anything from 150mil to 4bil+. It was always this way afaik and its fine this way. You dont want 10/10 to drop 2-3bil loot ea time cos it will be wortless after very short while. And I wouldnt run maze with 7 ppl lol, 3 is max. If you wanna stdy income run sanctums-yes its boring so is any other game after few weeks if u only farm (at least for me). Do more pew pew thats fun. WoW HURTS my eyes so badly I dont even think of it. Eve is really all about pew pew, pve is to support pvp thats it.

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