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Brannor McThife Caldari Brotherhood of the Ancients	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:01:00 - [1] So while the cluster is restarted again (for whatever reason), I thought I try find out what I need to train and buy to give me a good probing/combat ship for high sec. Basically, I'm tired of probing down a nice site, and having to run off to get a combat ship. I want to probe it down and clear it in one go - thus giving me mobility to travel all over. As I have never flown a T3 ship, I have little knowledge of them and the skills/modules. So can someone kick me off in the right direction here? Basically needs to be able to probe, tank and kill. No cloak needed. Thank you in advance for your suggestions. -G
Max Cetera	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:27:00 - [2] For high sec combat sites I don't think you need any kind of scan bonus if you have anything close to decent scan skills. So just use a high slot for the Probe Launcher and you should be fine. But you can always go with Sister Probes and Probe Launcher for faster scans.
Brannor McThife Caldari Brotherhood of the Ancients	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:48:00 - [3] I just realised that I can probably just re-fit my Nighthawk to use a probe launcher... worth a try. -G
Mordican	Posted - 2010.08.03 16:48:00 - [4] Highsec sites in terms of combat are a push over. You don't want to use a Nighthawk because if you scan down gated missions they usually do not allow BC/T2 BC hulls in them. The hands down best highsec prober is an Ishtar, hell even a Vexor can do it.
Brannor McThife Caldari Brotherhood of the Ancients	Posted - 2010.08.03 22:16:00 - [5] It also helps to remember that I don't need an expanded probe launcher for exploration... that's 205 CPU base difference... So I should be able to fit a Core probe launcher onto my Cerberus without any impact to it's combat fit. Meh. That'll be a lot faster. Just might look at getting a Sister's launcher and some scanning rigs to compensate for the lost % in scanning strength of the scout ship. Thanks for the HAC suggestion. :) -G
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.08.04 05:27:00 - [6] [Best High Sec Plexer] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II 10MN Afterburner II Invulnerability Field II Photon Scattering Field II Codebreaker II Shield Boost Amplifier II Small Shield Booster II Small Tractor Beam I Expanded Probe Launcher I,Core Scanner Probe I Heavy Missile Launcher II,Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Rigs: To taste Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst The tengu is hands down the best high sec plexer there is. It can tank, do damage and have all the utility items necessary to complete sites. I don't bother with a salvager or analzyer cause lol mag sites in high secd. Expanded probe launcher is for Deep space probes (check some of my other posts for in depth explanations on how they are useful if you're not sure). Also, the 40km tractor beam is pretty sweet. You can upgrade to faction/deadspace as you wish, but this T2 fit will work just fine. Cerberus is good to and was actually the ship I used prior to the tengu. Tengu trumps it thought without a doubt.
Suan Sanche	Posted - 2010.08.04 06:01:00 - [7] Emm... I'm curious. How long does it take to earn the money you spend on tengu by doing high-sec plexes? What is the average income there?
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.08.04 06:24:00 - [8] Originally by: Suan Sanche Emm... I'm curious. How long does it take to earn the money you spend on tengu by doing high-sec plexes? What is the average income there? Well. A T2 Tengu costs what? 4-500 mil? Not that it matters; its an asset that will likely not depreciate (prices have stabilized pretty well). Exploration is not like missioning; you can't really apply an isk/hr figure to it. However there are quite a few plexes that will drop anywhere between 10s to 100s of million isk worth of loot and of course escalations. Of course there is also the chance you'll get crap. To me its that variance that makes exploration infinitely more exciting than missions.
Adehlea	Posted - 2010.08.04 07:14:00 - [9] The thing I most like about using my Tengu for exploration, is that when things escalate to lowsec you can run them relatively safely. I swap out the Acceleration Bay offensive system for a Covert Reconfiguration one, add in a Cov Ops cloak, swap one low and 2 mid slots for ECCM and away I go. Yes, you lose some tank and quite a lot of gank, but you can still do the sites you head to, and with the ECCM you can't be probed out doing them, which seeing as they take a bit longer is a good thing! And with the Cov Ops cloak, you are unlikely to be caught on a gate camp. As for how long it takes to pay back the cost... Its now the morning of Aug 4, and in the past 3 days I have made enough to buy 4 PLEX's, and still have about 700m of unsold items on contracts.
Brannor McThife Caldari Brotherhood of the Ancients	Posted - 2010.08.04 23:00:00 - [10] Well, last night I modified my Cerberus for high-sec exploration. Here's my fit...not exactly pretty, but it worked ok. It tanked the explorations just fine and though it took ages to narrow down on a Vigil, it eventually did - in a Buzzard I would normally not have to drop the probes all the way down to 0.25. That Vigil had already been started by Lexx555 (or some similar name) and I thought, bugger... everything in the first room is dead... and then I thought I'd try the gate, and it let me through... on the other side, more wrecks... but... WTF?! The Dread Gurista cruiser and he's spawn were all just sitting there?! Could it be that Lexx555 had simply warped out before they spawned? Anyway, dispatched him quickly and pocketed a Low-Grade Crystal Omega. :) In the fit, I am still deciding whether or not to fit 2 active resists and toggle them with the probe launcher...but to do that I'd have to hit a station and then I may as well carry a full set of BCS II's with me. So for now, just the one for switching. Highs: Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Missiles Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Missiles Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Missiles Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Missiles Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Missiles Expanded Probe Launcher 1, DSP/Core Mids: Gistii A-Type Shield Booster Shield Boost Amp II 10MN AB II Highest T1 Passive Kinetic resist (these names always escape me) Ballistic Deflection Field II (Disabled) Lows: BCS II BCS II Highest T1 CPU enhancer (again... the name escapes me) Highest T1 CPU enhancer Rigs: 2 Medium scanning rigs. Looking forward to getting into a Tengu next month. -G
GyokZoli Caldari	Posted - 2010.08.04 23:52:00 - [11] Originally by: Adehlea The thing I most like about using my Tengu for exploration, is that when things escalate to lowsec you can run them relatively safely. I swap out the Acceleration Bay offensive system for a Covert Reconfiguration one, add in a Cov Ops cloak, swap one low and 2 mid slots for ECCM and away I go. Yes, you lose some tank and quite a lot of gank, but you can still do the sites you head to, and with the ECCM you can't be probed out doing them, which seeing as they take a bit longer is a good thing! And with the Cov Ops cloak, you are unlikely to be caught on a gate camp. As for how long it takes to pay back the cost... Its now the morning of Aug 4, and in the past 3 days I have made enough to buy 4 PLEX's, and still have about 700m of unsold items on contracts. Ok, just to clarify... You made around 2 billions with high sec exploration in 3 days? It's hard to believe.
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.08.05 00:24:00 - [12] Originally by: GyokZoli Ok, just to clarify... You made around 2 billions with high sec exploration in 3 days? It's hard to believe. No its not.
Brannor McThife Caldari Brotherhood of the Ancients	Posted - 2010.08.05 01:00:00 - [13] Originally by: XXSketchxx Originally by: GyokZoli Ok, just to clarify... You made around 2 billions with high sec exploration in 3 days? It's hard to believe. No its not. I have to agree with Sketch. If you have 3 days of a few hours worth of playing, and you've got good scanning skills, this is indeed possible. Especially if a single Gurista Vigil (like one I did last night) can yield a Low Grade Crystal Omega implant worth upwards of 200m. Hell, if I had 4 hours a night to play (without the stupid Downtime interrupting me) and a Tengu with maxed scanning skills, I'll probably aim to get at least 2 hits a night. -G
Pesht	Posted - 2010.08.05 02:11:00 - [14] If you can make 2 bil in 3 days doing combat sites, what the heck is the point of running radar and magnetometric sites?
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.08.05 02:14:00 - [15] Originally by: Pesht If you can make 2 bil in 3 days doing combat sites, what the heck is the point of running radar and magnetometric sites? mag sites? no point at all radar? meh, easy for noobs and lol "free" datacores farming combat sites is definitely better and exactly what I do when I probe in high sec
Pesht	Posted - 2010.08.05 05:42:00 - [16] Originally by: XXSketchxx Originally by: Pesht If you can make 2 bil in 3 days doing combat sites, what the heck is the point of running radar and magnetometric sites? mag sites? no point at all radar? meh, easy for noobs and lol "free" datacores farming combat sites is definitely better and exactly what I do when I probe in high sec Are mag and radar sites equal to combat sites in low/null sec and/or wspace?
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.08.05 06:43:00 - [17] Originally by: Pesht Are mag and radar sites equal to combat sites in low/null sec and/or wspace? In kspace, equivalent levels of mag/radar sites are usually second to combat sites. In wh space, mag/radar sites are harder than the combat sites (which are simply anomalies) and reward you accordingly. Wspace datacore prices plummeted last year when CCP buffed their drop rate. Relic prices are okay; the real value is if you are actually in the T3 production arena and get lucky with Reverse engineering and get BPCs for some of the more valuable subsystems.
Mazzarins Demise Profit Development and Research Association	Posted - 2010.08.05 06:52:00 - [18] Apologies if this is a tad OT, but is the Tengu the most popular Strategic Cruiser? I tend to see these boys the most while I fly around, and a lack of threads pertaining to the other three ships. Just wondering is all. _________________________________________ Support the "Seed Primae on the market and ORE LP Stores" proposal! Click here
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.08.05 07:03:00 - [19] Originally by: Mazzarins Demise Apologies if this is a tad OT, but is the Tengu the most popular Strategic Cruiser? I tend to see these boys the most while I fly around, and a lack of threads pertaining to the other three ships. Just wondering is all. From Q1 of 2010 QEN [Source]: Quote: Looking first at the strategic cruisers by race, it comes as no surprise that the Caldari Tengu is the most abundant Tech III ship since the Caldari are the most prevalent race in EVE. During the first 12 months of strategic cruiser production there were a total of 39,258 ships (basic hulls) produced. Of these, 17,568 units were Tengu, or 44.8% of the total volume. Second was the Proteus with 8,331 units (21.2%); third was the Legion with 7,625 units (19.4%); and finally the Loki with 5,734 units (14.6%). During Q1 2010, the order stayed the same while the Tengu rose to 47.5% of total number of Strategic Cruisers, and the Loki rose to 15.3%, while the Legion and Proteus declined to 17.6% and 19.6% respectively. While the QEN states it is as a result of Caldari being most prevalent, I am willing to wager that the fact that the tengu performs so well is also a pretty good reason. IMO, it is the best T3 for PVE and is fairly decent for PVP.
Brannor McThife Caldari Brotherhood of the Ancients	Posted - 2010.08.05 13:06:00 - [20] Got an escalated Gurista Watch tonight... was my first venture into low sec in years (been away). Was thrilling to watch all the people passing in local, and using dir-scan continually. Got a Pithi A-Type Shield booster. Hmm... on my limited time, that's 700mil or so in 2 nights. :) -G

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