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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.08.09 12:08:00 -
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Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 09/08/2010 12:08:19
I would explain to you in explicit detail why nearly everything in that statement is wrong, but we both know that would be a waste of my precious time in this world, because I would not convince you, you would not even take the time to read it properly, and even if you did you would not believe it. Sufficed to say that your narrow viewpoint is incorrect and there exists little danger of it changing for the better at any time in the future.
By a stroke of excellent fortune, however, your success - or more accurately, lack thereof - in the Empire demonstrates that you are not equipped to cause the Federation any measureable inconvenience.
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.09 12:13:00 -
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I can assure anyone interested in this topic that I will read all contributions with the liveliest attention. I particularly welcome challenging and well-reasoned counterpoints as I would only profit if I hold to an incorrect opinion and was shown the errors in my thinking.
The Cosmopolite
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Minmatar
Fates Assembly
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Posted - 2010.08.09 12:17:00 -
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 Originally by: The Cosmopolite
the reason is quite simple, and has been said many times: he's an active supporter of a government militia we oppose and has made it quite clear that there is no diplomatic avenue to be perused with him from his consistent opposition to us and his consistent support for our enemies no matter who they may be.
are you saying the Star Fraction has less than positive designs for the supporters of the bloated Federal democratic-mirage?
I am shocked; shocked I say!
I mean Star Fraction has only ended the existence of half a dozen pro-Federation alliances/cooperatives and more than twice that number of pro-Fed corporations...
oh and supported every effort of actual Intaki Sepratism...
oh and assisted in the gratuitous theft of that bourgeois pleasure barge (Lce Quuan? Ice Quuen? what was her name?...)
oh and I recall seeing some SF tags killing that nasty Federation Naval group...
àthat was just off the top of my head.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.09 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
I would explain to you in explicit detail why nearly everything in that statement is wrong, but we both know that would be a waste of my precious time in this world, because I would not convince you, you would not even take the time to read it properly, and even if you did you would not believe it. By a stroke of excellent fortune, however, your success - or more accurately, lack thereof - in the Empire
You would explain but you can't. You can afford plenty of time for trolling, lying and one-liner nonsense of course. And you wonder why people don't read or believe what you say?
Thats the tragedy of your kind Ixiris. In the end you become a parody of yourself and nobody needs to read a word you say to know it will just be the same bloated nationalist rot sprinkled with a liberal helping of throwaway nonsense and excuses for why you never undock against your enemies and consider galnet trolling the height of your commitment to whatever cause you are supporting this week.
You parrot the words and "techniques" of Nationalists of all kinds and it is no surprise to see you quipping against Star Fraction's impact on the Amarrian Empire. After all, you are in the habit of cheering on slavers against the Fraction in wars. It makes sense you'd rather see people enslaved than aided by the anarchists. I've always said that authoritarian states have an awful lot in common with each other so you joining the Archbishop chorus line is absolutely what we've come to expect from a neo-nationalist slaver envying crypto fascist like yourself.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.08.09 14:25:00 -
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Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 09/08/2010 14:34:21
Originally by: Jade Constantine
You would explain but you can't. You can afford plenty of time for trolling, lying and one-liner nonsense of course.
Surely by "trolling, lying and one-liner nonsense" you describe your own behaviour far more accurately than mine.
Well. Except for the bit about one-liners.
You never did say with one line what could less aptly be said with six hundred.
Originally by: Jade Constantine
And you wonder why people don't read or believe what you say?
Actually I think it's quite clear from the last three days that people DO read and believe what I say - old allies and even sworn enemies of mine - people who would in any case where there were the merest sliver of truth to the allegations gladly ignore any other objections - are coming out of the woodwork to say that they favour my version of the relevant story - or at the very least that they see no particular reason to favour yours. Pretty much the only people who actually believe what you say about me and the Amarrians are you, members of your corporation and people who were once members of your corporation - not exactly the most promising vote of confidence in your credibility, no? I do realise Star Fraction has a strong and long-standing habit of stating the obviously false, but recently I've noticed you've gotten more and more blatant about it.
The rest of your statement is given over to... err, well, trolling, lying and twenty-liners. I shan't legitimise it.
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Caldari
The Guardsmen
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Posted - 2010.08.09 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: The Cosmopolite
I would ask you to bear in mind that there is a difference between the 'stated reason' as claimed by our enemies and the actual stated reason for the setting being made. We are the only ones who can state the reason, I think you would agree, and the reason is quite simple, and has been said many times: he's an active supporter of a government militia we oppose and has made it quite clear that there is no diplomatic avenue to be persued with him from his consistent opposition to us and his consistent support for our enemies no matter who they may be.
Then I can hardly call your position inconsistent with previous statements by your organization, and my perception was incorrect. In any case, good hunting, at least in regards to MXD.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.09 14:34:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Actually I think it's quite clear from the last three days that people DO read and believe what I say - old allies and even sworn enemies of mine
I haven't seen anybody I respect in the slightest support your position let alone claim you are telling the truth.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.08.09 14:48:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 09/08/2010 14:48:44
Originally by: Jade Constantine
I haven't seen anybody I respect in the slightest support your position let alone claim you are telling the truth.
Ah, Jade, this is known as moving the goalposts (in some obscure reference to a barbaric ancient blood-sport in which a small cow was kicked in the balls for ninety minutes), whereby when evidence for an assertion is provided, it is disregarded in favour of a demand more selective than the original request. This is a logical fallacy.
Your original statement was that "no-one" believes me. When I intimated that yes, in fact, people did believe me, you changed the criteria to "people you respect" - and it's fairly clear that your criteria for respect are specifically modulated to disclude anyone who believes me, clearly making the entire situation logically devoid and unsolvable.
But on that note, are you saying you don't respect Damu'Khonde (1, 2)? Very interesting. Very interesting indeed.
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.09 14:57:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Your original statement was that "no-one" believes me. When I intimated that yes, in fact, people did believe me, you changed the criteria to "people you respect" - and it's fairly clear that your criteria for respect are specifically modulated to disclude anyone who believes me, clearly making the entire situation logically devoid and unsolvable.
Since its been demonstrated many many times by direct links to your own words that you are in fact lying your desperate little head off. Its impossible for anybody worthy of any respect to actually support you. You have done nothing but claim a false position for us while lying about your own previous words in a rather pathetic attempt to squirt out some inky misdirection from past embarrassing statements.
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But on that note, are you saying you don't respect Damu'Khonde (1, 2)? Very interesting. Very interesting indeed.
Certainly I do not respect the position of that one Damu'Khonde pilot who chose to overlook the fact that you publicly decided you hated the Star Fraction more than Slavery. He is simply wrong about you and has allowed your pleading for support to outweigh his honesty in this matter but it is his mistake to make. By all means go crying to the Damu'Khonde council and throwing yourself on their mercy. But don't forget to link the threads where you were cheering on their enemies in PIE or making deals with the slaver-enforcers of I-RED when you do it.
Ultimately I have enough respect for my counterparts in Damu'Khonde command councils to know that the wheedling and pleading of a non-entity bootlicking guttersnipe like yourself will amount to precisely nothing.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.08.09 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Since its been demonstrated many many times by direct links to your own words that you are in fact lying your desperate little head off. Its impossible for anybody worthy of any respect to actually support you. You have done nothing but claim a false position for us while lying about your own previous words in a rather pathetic attempt to squirt out some inky misdirection from past embarrassing statements.
Your grandiose and overly locquatious statement does nothing to disguise the fact that Star Fraction presented a set of facts to the public (my previous statements - which we welcomed the public to examine), along with an opinion based on those facts (that it somehow marked me as an Amarrian collaborator or sympathiser) that was never anything more than their own interpretation of those facts. People looked at the facts and nigh-universally decided that the facts did not support Star Fraction's interpretation or that even if they did, far more evidence (i.e. evidence of actual action in support of the Amarr Empire) was required for them to carry any weight.
Star Fraction have thus far been unable to accept the fact that their statements hold no wide basis of credibility.
As for your backhanded compliments to Damu'Khonde, no "pleading" occured. A single communication passed between myself and three members of Damu'Khonde - none of whom, incidentally, were the Damu'Khonde representatives that vouched for me on the thread I linked. The communication asked for their moral support only if they saw fit to give it, and I received a response from one of those I contacted stating that he knew the accusations were utterly falacious but he had no wish to bandy words with "someone like [Jade Constantine]" and out of respect for that, he'll remain anonymous as he's far too good a friend to willingly subject to your spurious harrassment. Damu'Khonde's direct forebearers Ushra'Khan were Mixed Metaphor's very oldest allies and it comes as little surprise - although it fills me with pride that they consider me worthy of their friendship - that they'd back me up on this. One day I'll return the debt of gratitude, you can be sure of that.
They saw what I said about PIE and read it for what it actually was - a somewhat ill-advised tongue-in-cheek statement made two years ago and ultimately meaningless. As for I-RED, Damu'Khonde are very much aware of my involvement with them. I was a liason between I-RED and Ushra'Khan during their brief war after the I-RED retreat from Providence - I actually delivered I-RED executor John Revenent direct communication from Karn Mithralia during that time.
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.09 16:39:00 -
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In all that fabulous revisionist whirling and nonsense you seem to have forgotten to answer the very simple question I asked you.
And just for the record Ixiris (so we can get everything nice and clear). Answer me one simple question.
Do you think that Star Fraction is not justified in setting your corporation -10 KOS as a political adjustment for your public support of government we oppose coupled with the comments you made favouring a pro-slavery Corporation to the Fraction in the context of the 24th Crusade vs TLF conflict?
A simple yes or no here will help the debate considerably.
Try again.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.09 16:41:00 -
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I take the view that Damu'Khonde should not be prayed in aid by either party to this dispute and I believe it should stop. They are allied to both parties and they can make their own minds up for themselves about people. I actually believe, as a whole, that they disagree with us about Ixiris and disagree with Ixiris about us.
That's quite fine. As I and Jade have said repeatedly, Star Fraction set MXD corporation to -10 as a political adjustment for its active support of government we oppose coupled with a record of supporting a pro-slavery corporation against the Star Fraction, plus other incidents of consistent hostility and supporting any enemy of the Star Fraction no matter who they were.
It's as simple as that and doesn't concern anyone else.
In terms of this thread, the matter of why we regard the Gallente Federation as a government with hostility, and thus its government-controlled militia, bears on it and the only constructive discussion to be had concerns that. Any serious contributions to the discussion will be treated with the respect afforded to the contribution made by Seriphyn Inhonores.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Galactic Rangers
Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2010.08.09 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Certainly I do not respect the position of that one Damu'Khonde pilot who chose to overlook the fact that you publicly decided you hated the Star Fraction more than Slavery.
Is this universal day of debating fallacies?
It wasn't a choice between Star Fraction vs. Slavery, it was a choice between Star Fraction and PIE.
If you do want to make such a fallacy, how about 'Anarchy vs. PIE' or perhaps 'Freedom vs. PIE' next time?
Perhaps even more appropriate for mr. Ixiris case would be: 'arrogant hypocritical foulmouths vs. arrogant stuck-up dimwits'?
Sorry, but this time the foulmouths lost...
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.08.09 16:49:00 -
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I categorically refuse to answer any question for which Star Fraction so obviously desire a straight answer until I am treated with a little more civility. You so very rudely refused my previous reasonable offer and have generally acted in an infantile and deplorable fashion, so I feel no reason I should afford you any respect until you begin showing it in kind.
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.09 16:54:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 09/08/2010 16:53:49
Originally by: Merdaneth
It wasn't a choice between Star Fraction vs. Slavery, it was a choice between Star Fraction and PIE.
In the context of the TLF vs 24th Crusade warzone in which PIE was trying to enslave the population of entire worlds and SF and our allies were helping to liberate them. Though I'm sure Ixiris would like to forget about this detail his words remain clearly and irrevocably on record and its quite telling the only people still trying to re-write history to defend him are now Amarrian Nationalist slavers.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.09 16:54:00 -
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Fair enough, I suggest any further queries or comments on the subject of our standings be made in the appropriate thread, if only, out of respect for the original poster.
Now, let's return to the Star Fraction and the Gallente.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.09 16:56:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 09/08/2010 17:00:08
We will continue the discussion with Mixed Metaphor in the appropriate thread.
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Kaito Kenshin
Twilight Labs
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Posted - 2010.08.10 02:44:00 -
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Just out of curiousity, what would the Federation have to do to earn a collaborative relationship with Star Fraction? It seems like such a waste for entities with such similar goals to be at each other's throats due to what amount to triffling differences in methods and perception of success.
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Bluejacket CT
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.08.10 03:55:00 -
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Originally by: The Cosmopolite
In terms of this thread, the matter of why we regard the Gallente Federation as a government with hostility, and thus its government-controlled militia, bears on it and the only constructive discussion to be had concerns that. Any serious contributions to the discussion will be treated with the respect afforded to the contribution made by Seriphyn Inhonores.
I couldn't agree more, Mixed Metaphor is far from being a microcosm of the Union as an entity. This discussion was not meant to concern The Star Fraction's change in political standing towards Andreus Irixis' corporation.
Originally by: Kaito Kenshin
Just out of curiousity, what would the Federation have to do to earn a collaborative relationship with Star Fraction? It seems like such a waste for entities with such similar goals to be at each other's throats due to what amount to triffling differences in methods and perception of success.
Yet another comment I can get behind. As I've stated earlier, it would be ill-advised for The Star Fraction to turn away the service of our Union volunteers at a time when we have so many mutual enemies, and just as importantly, ideals. I'm happy to say that my experience with The Star Fraction has been positive and helpful in regards to our continued alliance with the Tribal Liberation Force. The fact that many of the most active and powerful corps within the Federal Defence Union have worked alongside The Star Fraction in past operations is worthy of note as well.
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Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.10 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Bluejacket CT
Originally by: Kaito Kenshin
Just out of curiousity, what would the Federation have to do to earn a collaborative relationship with Star Fraction? It seems like such a waste for entities with such similar goals to be at each other's throats due to what amount to triffling differences in methods and perception of success.
Yet another comment I can get behind. As I've stated earlier, it would be ill-advised for The Star Fraction to turn away the service of our Union volunteers at a time when we have so many mutual enemies, and just as importantly, ideals. I'm happy to say that my experience with The Star Fraction has been positive and helpful in regards to our continued alliance with the Tribal Liberation Force. The fact that many of the most active and powerful corps within the Federal Defence Union have worked alongside The Star Fraction in past operations is worthy of note as well.
Well, I don't see much merit in the Star Fraction issuing prescriptions to the Gallente Federation itself. Rather, I think persuasion and collaboration with citizens of that polity is the way forward. That can certainly include the more open-minded capsuleer-affiliates to the Federal Defence Union.
We are happy to continue to work with FDU corporations on matters of mutual interest and keep the scope for agreements with other FDU capsuleer corporations as open as is possible.
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2010.08.13 18:00:00 -
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I offer a new argument to Cosmopolite.
While the Gallente do not have a monopoly on freedom per se, they do have something called liberty.
The Federation is the only nation in the world that does not demand any form of loyalty from its subjects. In fact, it encourages opposition to the government very often. In the State, there is continued social pressure to do your duty. In the Republic, you are chained down to your brothers and sisters, as well as your tribe. In the Empire, God and your faith is paramount.
There is no pressure or demands to serve a certain goal in the Federation. Every individual is unbound, truly free to pursue their own destiny and goals in life. There are constructed pressures, yes, such as social subcultures, but these are formed by groups of individuals, not the state itself. Even then, the individual is capable of rising above conformity, and being their own individual.
No other empire puts such stock in the individual. Is this not correspondent with the Fraction's goals?
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.13 19:45:00 -
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I find it hard to agree that the Federation demands no loyalty of any kind from its citizens. This seems to me to be a counter-factual claim given quite a lot of evidence that the Federation really does demand loyalty to itself as a state or as a society governed in a certain way, which amounts to the same thing.
On a different thread û I prefer to continue here rather than go too far away from the intent of the other thread û you yourself said:
Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores
Call me a Sociocrat, but if a corporation reaches a certain level of wealth, it has a responsibility to society to contribute back to where it was borne. The Federal government, again, not taking into account, the people, the entire Senate, the district parliaments, and the Governors, was simply trying to hold ORE up to its corporate-social responsbility.
Is this not a demand for, if not precisely loyalty to the state, a form of loyalty to society as defined by the state?
There is no argument from me that the Gallente Federation gives its citizens a certain amount of liberty and that libertarian ideals are given a lot of lip-service and, in some regards, implemented in a limited way. The problem comes with the authoritarian instincts of the federal state; the problem comes with its unwillingness to let people live apart from it when they wish to; the problem comes with its view that, ultimately, it has claim on all within its purview (and indeed without û remembering details of the jurisdictional dimension in the ORE case). As another pointed out, the Federation has a certain covetousness to its nature.
Sadly, I do feel this extends beyond simple property questions to the desire, seemingly incurable, to interfere with the way people live their lives in many important regards.
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Robert Syagrius
Gallente
Ataraxia Pharmacies
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Posted - 2010.08.14 04:39:00 -
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>TRANSMISSION OPENS<
Babbling heads, so much talk and so little since.
I find it amusing to hear so many talk so dismissively about the very thing that is responsible for their existence.
If it werenÆt for the civilizations i.e. ôfactionsö you came up in, and out of, none of you would be in your lofty position of self appointed superiority.
At present I think the role of ôfactionsö is to protect the common people from individual little despots like yourselves.
Ohh and if youÆre wondering if I am talking to you, I probably am.
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Sinjin Mokk
Amarr
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
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Posted - 2010.08.14 06:14:00 -
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To answer SeriphynÆs original questions:
It is entirely appropriate for Star Fraction to be against the Federation. They espouse Anarchy; a state of total self-determination. The Federation, for all its faults, is a government. You can go on for days about how ôfreeö you citizens are but they all still pay taxes and follow the laws of the Federation.
People like you and I are lawmen. Even though weÆre on two different sides of a war, we still put the needs of our people and our government before our own and serve something bigger than ourselves. They are criminals. They commit crimes. They take from society. They do not add to it. That is why they are enemies of the Federation.
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Robert Syagrius
Gallente
Ataraxia Pharmacies
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Posted - 2010.08.14 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
To answer SeriphynÆs original questions:
It is entirely appropriate for Star Fraction to be against the Federation. They espouse Anarchy; a state of total self-determination. The Federation, for all its faults, is a government. You can go on for days about how ôfreeö you citizens are but they all still pay taxes and follow the laws of the Federation.
People like you and I are lawmen. Even though weÆre on two different sides of a war, we still put the needs of our people and our government before our own and serve something bigger than ourselves. They are criminals. They commit crimes. They take from society. They do not add to it. That is why they are enemies of the Federation.
Well I'll be. Well said.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.16 14:23:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
To answer SeriphynÆs original questions:
It is entirely appropriate for Star Fraction to be against the Federation. They espouse Anarchy; a state of total self-determination. The Federation, for all its faults, is a government. You can go on for days about how ôfreeö you citizens are but they all still pay taxes and follow the laws of the Federation.
People like you and I are lawmen. Even though weÆre on two different sides of a war, we still put the needs of our people and our government before our own and serve something bigger than ourselves. They are criminals. They commit crimes. They take from society. They do not add to it. That is why they are enemies of the Federation.
By your definition from your perspective it makes sense to consider us criminals, after all, we do not acknowledge your authority or state. And yes, we have long seen that Nationalists of all persuasions will tend to put aside their territorial differences and ancient squabbles when faced by the only thing they really fear - individuals standing up and declaring they will not submit to empire any longer.
"Society" in your words simply means submission. You crave your own place in the hierarchy because it is a place of privilege and you have a cowards motive in sustaining the status quo and keeping those advantages you currently possess.
The Fraction care little for status quo and control. We seek new possibilites and frontiers, we believe no-one should be chained and bound to the dead-hand of imperial tyranny and past territorial conceit. We are immortal posthumans with the means to free our species from the dark ages of New Eden. And we are opposed to the prison-wardens, quislings and collaborators of the status quo.
No surprise we are at war then.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.08.16 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
By your definition from your perspective it makes sense to consider us criminals, after all, we do not acknowledge your authority or state. And yes, we have long seen that Nationalists of all persuasions will tend to put aside their territorial differences and ancient squabbles when faced by the only thing they really fear - individuals standing up and declaring they will not submit to empire any longer.
I think "fear" is a very strong word. A more accurate turn of phrase would be... hmm, "harbour distate for" works, as does "disrespect", as does "dislike", and I am certain "pity" would fit the mold aptly for certain people. The fact is that for an anarchist organisation dedicated to the eventual destruction of all empires, you're doing a remarkably poor job of it. When was the last time any of the Empires were caused any serious inconvenience, let alone actual damage by any action Star Fraction took? Electus Matari did more in two weeks to repel Amarrian incursion into Minmatar space than Jericho Fraction's done in more than six years now - and the Elder Fleet managed in six hours what Star Fraction couldn't have the slightest hope of doing in a lifetime. Star Fraction never have and never will seriously threaten any of the Empires. Perhaps if Star Fraction were a force capable of causing more than transitory damage to capsuleer assets and squawking loudly on the forums, there would be more fear involved, but the fact remains that while your combat record is admittedly acceptable for an alliance your size (although certainly not for the level of hype you spin around yourselves on the IGS) you've done nothing in six years that's caused serious, measureable harm to any of the empires (although, admittedly, I do consider assisting the Sansha in killing the CONCORD agents that are trying to fight them an effort towards such).
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CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.16 15:42:00 -
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As ever you understand nothing of the argument Andreus. There is no current nationalist capsuleer entity that can stand against the Fraction in battle. That is the bottom line. But more than that there is no current nationalist capsuleer entity that can match us for research and development, for ship production, for political influence, associations or cluster-wide impact either. The only possible achievement for nationalist mouthpieces in the current environment is noise on galnet.
And you seem to have that category completely sewn up.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.08.16 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
As ever you understand nothing of the argument Andreus. There is no current nationalist capsuleer entity that can stand against the Fraction in battle.
There is no nationalist capsuleer entity that can be bothered to stand against the Fraction in battle. Again, you mistake lack of desire for lack of ability. It's somewhat notable that Star Fraction dropped the war against I-RED just under an hour after their 30-man stratcruiser fleet destroyed a single Raven. Say what you like but it's clear to the IGS that you dropped this war because you didn't want to fight the I-RED. Now why would an antinationalist alliance such as yours drop a war with people who are, both by their own and your reckoning, such staunch representatives of nationalism?
Again, say what you like, but everyone knows why that wardec was dropped.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.16 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
There is no nationalist capsuleer entity that can be bothered to stand against the Fraction in battle.
You are really belabouring that excuse. I imagine you can't be bothered to fight the enemies of the gallente federation in the same way right? 2 months without a kill for or against doesn't really bespeak high standards of activity from you.
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