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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
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Posted - 2012.07.24 12:51:00 -
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Instead of the usual "boo hoo now my Hoarder looks like swiss cheese" topics about getting wtfpwnd in lowsec, I wanted to ask a more positive question to my actual co-denizens in the slums of the Eve universe. I want to know what KEEPS you in lowsec!
For me it's the thrill, measuring each other up at a gate unwilling to take the first shot. Using the 60 seconds you get when holding cloak to make a split decision. Getting out alive, with the money, the prize AND the girl. Throwing t1 stuff for the wolves and not caring about it to much. The occasional shiny in radar sites, with the promise of a gang of weekend warriors dropping on your head. The contact with low-sec-standing people and their friends. Farting out a few scan probes to draw a treasure map for your friends. Shady deals and silent vows of vengeance.
Not being told what to do by some bigshot FC or CEO, but to carve out an independent existance unhindered by the fetters of hisec's law and order, or the bureaucratic machinations in 0.0 sov babysitters. Getting into drunken brawls with Brutors, and sticking a cane towards anyone who looks at me funny. Lowsec is where the party's at! |
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
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Posted - 2012.07.24 12:53:00 -
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I like low-sec on certain occasions.
Occasions where we have a remote sensor boosted heavy interdictor and nine or more arty platforms for instant win alpha =P |
Implying Implications
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.24 12:57:00 -
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Nullsec is where the party is at.
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highonpop
Void.Tech
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.07.24 13:16:00 -
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the incredibly tanked sec status keeps them there 
SEE YOU IN 319 STATION!!! WOOO HOOOO!!!!! |
Signal11th
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Posted - 2012.07.24 13:21:00 -
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Implying Implications wrote:Nullsec is where the party is at.
Unfortunately null-sec is pretty boring and has been for the last couple of years. Yeah yeah yeah I'm in Raiden yadda yadda yadda but wearing my "fair" hat 0.0 has been boring for a long time even when it was good for "us".
God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2012.07.24 13:33:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote: I want to know what KEEPS you in lowsec! A low sec status keeps me out of high sec, and an aversion to bubbles and running from Large Fleets (I fly solo - truly solo - no second scouting / boosting account) keeps me out of nullsec. So that leaves me with...
CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
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Posted - 2012.07.24 13:52:00 -
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I personally love the "cat and mouse" games. Sometimes I'm the cat and sometimes I'm the mouse. The awesome part is that on rare occasions, you think you are the cat but your target turns out to be a bigger cat.
Skills I had to develop include:
- Dodging chokepoint gatecamps
- Using covert haulers
- Understanding aggression mechanics/cross tackle on stargates
- Positioning and/or blitzing pirate plexes
- The 360 scanner (defensive)
- The directional scanner (offensive)
- Scan probe mechanics/tactics
- Favoring ships with more agility over more tank/DPS and why this is relevant in lowsec
- Recognizing obvious bait ships
- Learning about the locals or new rivals
- Understanding the advantages and the limitations of covert ships (lower DPS/tank, flies slow when constantly cloaked, lands inside complexes the same way non-covert ships do, etc, etc.)
- Observing and gathering intel on other players. Proper intel is extremely crucial, all the time.
All these points always help me during non-consensual PVP moments. In lowsec, you must acknowledge there will be hunters. Even if you don't want to be a hunter yourself, you must come to terms you will be hunted from time to time. The trick is to do one of two things:
- Kick ass so hard at the beginning people won't bother going after you.
or
- Be such an elusive prey people will just abandon the idea of trying to hunt you.
Oh, and one last thing:
- Never assume anything. Be ready for everything. Sometimes this may even mean losing a ship. |
Abel Merkabah
TIMELINE Industries
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Posted - 2012.07.24 14:08:00 -
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New to game, so haven't experienced nullsec, but lowsec is my favorite so far, for many of the reasons mentioned above me. I love hunting/being hunted (even though I lose a ship either way...lol)...right now I can't go red flashy because I want to help my corp which is mostly in highsec, but once I can, red flashy will be for me.
Oh, and being out ratting or flying around and having 3-4 ships warp with in lock range, then trying to escape is exhilarating. I may not be good at blowin other ships up yet, but getting good at evading...lol...
"The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds, given adequate vacuuming systems." |
Solstice Project
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.24 14:18:00 -
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BOOOOOORIIIIIING !
BOOOOOORIIIIIIING !!
BOOOOOORIIIIING !!!!!
Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Flistir
Doctrine.
FEARLESS.
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Posted - 2012.07.24 14:28:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:I want to know what KEEPS you in lowsec!
Security status mechanics most likely. |
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Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
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Posted - 2012.07.24 15:17:00 -
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Doing industry in low sec. Knowing that there are pirates a'plenty ready willing and quite able to pop my ships and take my stuff.
The raw isk rewards are only a bit better than you might find in High sec, but the rewards in entertainment value make it all worth the risk.
It makes me be a better industrialist. I have to actively factor in risk and loss into my profit margins and be very vigilant about how I go about my business knowing that a moment of sloppiness could cost me. While some might cite that as a reason for an industrialist to stay OUT of low, I say it is the reason why I'm as engaged and interested in EVE as I am now.
In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse. |
highonpop
Void.Tech
Fatal Ascension
156
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Posted - 2012.07.24 15:36:00 -
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Why would you favor a more agile ship for pvp than a more ganky/tanky ship? agility is nice to make it through gate camps, but if you engage someone on a station or gate, the NPC guns will have there way with you in a small agile ship.
SEE YOU IN 319 STATION!!! WOOO HOOOO!!!!! |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.24 15:44:00 -
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Lowsec would be a lot better if gates and stations didn't shoot at me 
Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
MadMuppet
Universal Freelance
CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
507
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Posted - 2012.07.24 16:13:00 -
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POCOs and their taxes drove what little interest I had in Low-sec out of me. Yeah, there is 'adventure' of running around, but until a better solution that spamming D-Scan is invented I am not a big fan of hanging out there.
If I tried to make a type of coffee that made all of you happy, and you rated it, the group score for it would be about 60 out of 100. Break into 3 or 4 coffee clusters, and made coffee just for each cluster, the scores would go from 60 to 78. The difference between coffee at 60 and coffee at 78 is a difference between coffee that makes you wince or makes you happy. |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2012.07.24 17:19:00 -
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MadMuppet wrote:POCOs and their taxes drove what little interest I had in Low-sec out of me. Yeah, there is 'adventure' of running around, but until a better solution that spamming D-Scan is invented I am not a big fan of hanging out there.
Come use our POCOs then, we left them at the base tax rate or even reduced them in certain cases. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
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Posted - 2012.07.24 17:25:00 -
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highonpop wrote:Why would you favor a more agile ship for pvp than a more ganky/tanky ship? agility is nice to make it through gate camps, but if you engage someone on a station or gate, the NPC guns will have there way with you in a small agile ship.
I'm not talking about favoring agility at the expense of tank. For instance, I personally prefer the Tengu to a Vargur in lowsec. The Tengu will actually tank better due to it's smaller sig and 10mn AB. I can warp around the system faster too.
I'm sure you can fit battleships to have a better tank than the Tengu but again, if you lack the agility and get caught, you are dead anyways.
Lowsec is more about evasion rather than EFT Tank or DPS. You first set the amount of mobility you feel comfortable playing with in lowsec and then you try to maximize DPS and Tank.
Some people fly nothing but covert T3's in lowsec because that is their comfort level.
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highonpop
Void.Tech
Fatal Ascension
156
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Posted - 2012.07.24 18:17:00 -
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Thor Kerrigan wrote:highonpop wrote:Why would you favor a more agile ship for pvp than a more ganky/tanky ship? agility is nice to make it through gate camps, but if you engage someone on a station or gate, the NPC guns will have there way with you in a small agile ship. I'm not talking about favoring agility at the expense of tank.
oh okay, gotcha.
SEE YOU IN 319 STATION!!! WOOO HOOOO!!!!! |
Fidelium Mortis
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.07.24 19:47:00 -
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I'm a big fan of low-sec as well primarily due to the variety found there for PvP (primarily) and PvE. Especially with the recent FW changes there's a lot of small skirmish or solo fights.
ICRS - Intergalactic Certified Rocket Surgeon |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
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Posted - 2012.07.25 08:45:00 -
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Thanks for your insights, It's good to see some entrepeneurship concerning lowsec. I do a little industry on the side there too, and I like the whole political game (fishing for better standings and taxes, tinkering with your sec stat) that comes with it. Also, lowsec is probably one of the few places you can meet a fellow soloist in a comparable fit, "greet" him with a respectfull lock, and tail back to the gate without a scratch. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
Dead On Arrival Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.25 09:31:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:Also, lowsec is probably one of the few places you can meet a fellow soloist in a comparable fit, "greet" him with a respectfull lock, and tail back to the gate without a scratch.
Besides lowsec offering engagements of the size and type I prefer, the social atmosphere is important to me. In lowsec, people matter. People check each other's bios out, greet in local and in general are respectful- why not, most are after the good fights anyway!
Even the bears who come there are tear-free- they are there because the enjoy the risks and are willing to take them.
Shiva Furnace - now recruiting solid pilots! |
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Hestia Mar
Calmaretto
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Posted - 2012.07.25 09:37:00 -
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Blah Blah Blah Yawn....my internet pixels are better than yours |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
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Posted - 2012.07.25 10:07:00 -
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Roime wrote:Besides lowsec offering engagements of the size and type I prefer, the social atmosphere is important to me. In lowsec, people matter. People check each other's bios out, greet in local and in general are respectful- why not, most are after the good fights anyway! Even the bears who come there are tear-free- they are there because the enjoy the risks and are willing to take them.
Correct, with -on top of that- the possibility of meeting said carebears in a belt... possibly armed to the teeth! Makes for more interesting fights then picking on the unsuspecting ones. When I started out in Eve I kept out of low, thinking it to be a waste of time. Better to be safe in hisec OR make big bucks in 0.0, was my school of thought. But now that I have some friends and enemies in lowsec, it's so much more rewarding to stick around then it is to grind hisec, or listen to every whim of an 0.0 bigshot FC for major ISK rewards. To me lowsec is one big casino... with barfights :-) |
Lord Arakkis
Knights of Illusion SquarePig Transport Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.25 13:25:00 -
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as soon as I can fit the appropriate equipment, I wont be seeing much of high sec for a while. BE WAAAAARNED!!!!! lol
Join the Knights Of Illusion STE Corporation! Casual and Hardcore gamers! |
Abel Merkabah
TIMELINE Industries
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Posted - 2012.07.25 14:04:00 -
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Lord Arakkis wrote:as soon as I can fit the appropriate equipment, I wont be seeing much of high sec for a while. BE WAAAAARNED!!!!! lol
You can't fit a T1 frig yet?
Lol...just messing with you...
"The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds, given adequate vacuuming systems." |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2012.07.25 15:30:00 -
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Low sec = the land of no bubbles where you need skill to tackle ****.
Low sec = the land of "LOL Blobs, I can dock. GTFO", so is small gang friendly.
Low sec = the place where you fight for your space, not plant a structure to claim it.
Until the Null sec sovereignty overhaul (again), not likely to see Null for a while :)
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
highonpop
Void.Tech
Fatal Ascension
157
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Posted - 2012.07.25 15:34:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote:Low sec = the land of no bubbles where you need skill to tackle ****.
Low sec = the land of "LOL Blobs, I can dock. GTFO", so is small gang friendly.
Low sec = the place where you fight for your space, not plant a structure to claim it.
Until the Null sec sovereignty overhaul (again), not likely to see Null for a while :)
Yes, because all we do is plant and SBU or TCU and leave. We don't have 500+ local spikes to fight over the TCU or SBU....
SEE YOU IN 319 STATION!!! WOOO HOOOO!!!!! |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:01:00 -
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It's a matter of scale I guess. In lowsec, I feel personally involved in the shady deals that are struck in every sec layer of Eve. Lowsec is more reactive, more responsive, towards hostilities or political shifts because it isn't always expected. There's no pre-written status quo that paints "the other guy" as your intended kill-target. He's a kill target because he popped a newbie corpmate that wants revenge, or because he's a suspected BPO runner. Or he was the FC of a fleet that camped you at a gate and he's all alone right now.
I left Eve last year because I got bored after about 6 months. Moving towards lowsec after resubbing has sort of "opened my eyes" in regards to the risk / reward factors and sheer gameplay fun. I should have moved into lowsec after 2-3 months, instead of derping around in hisec for almost half a year. Low is where it's at, and the party people know this. |
Geoscape
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:27:00 -
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Once upon a time i went to solo pvp in lowsec with my trusty punisher.
Most of the time was spent running from hurricanes, Machariels, Tengus, Bhaalgorns, Legions, Dramiels and the assorted falcon/logistics alts.
The only feasible prey i found was a hauler, which was warp stabbed *sigh*.
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Abel Merkabah
TIMELINE Industries
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Posted - 2012.07.25 22:31:00 -
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Geoscape wrote:Once upon a time i went to solo pvp in lowsec with my trusty punisher. Most of the time was spent running from hurricanes, Machariels, Tengus, Bhaalgorns, Legions, Dramiels and the assorted falcon/logistics alts. The only feasible prey i found was a hauler, which was warp stabbed *sigh*. Very disappointing
Try talking to the people in lowsec...
Took a new corpmate into lowsec last night, kind of showed him what I know (which arguably isn't much...lol). We then started seeing a pirate corp show up on DScan with AFs, we were in a Rifter and fail fit incursus. So we ran for a bit just evading them. Then I simply asked if they were up for fight. Wouldn't you know it, we got a gudfight. Our 2 T1s vs a wolf...lol... Got smoked...but still in fight (turns out my corpmate has almost 0 combat skills trained and didn't star fighting our opponent until I was dead); I then put together a wolf and came back and fought to hull with the pirate. Left on friendly terms...
Point being, if you ignore the locals, you will probably get ganked, but if you interact with them, they will play with you...as opposed to just harvesting your tears...
I'm a firm believer most Eve Players are good people, they just RP as sociopaths...give them a shot.
"The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds, given adequate vacuuming systems." |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
287
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Posted - 2012.07.25 22:38:00 -
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I guess that depends on what you mean by party..
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