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battlefar galactica
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Posted - 2010.08.09 19:54:00 -
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Was just rooting around at some of the p3 and p4 PI goods in The Forge.
A few of them seem to have had a slight bump in price but now that some of the P1 and p2 goods are cooling down- i.e Coolant and Electrolytes will there be an aftershock of the fuel madness onto the p3 and p4 goods, one that catches my eye and may have been influenced by the coolant crazee is condensates.
any ideas wether this will happen? or will pi return all fuels and good to more stable prices.
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Grozen
Caldari
Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.08.09 20:10:00 -
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no not until we see a stable fuel prices.
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thekiller2002us
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Posted - 2010.08.09 20:20:00 -
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i personally think that anything that requires coolant will increase A LOT over the coming weeks- coolant looks to stay up around the 20,000 isk mark. Coolant used to sell for 5000 isk so its quadrupled so why shouldn't any goods that require coolant potentially double or tripple in price over the coming weeks? |
EvilCheez
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Posted - 2010.08.09 20:40:00 -
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coolant looks to stay up around the 20,000 isk mark.
It's been there for less than a week, so its hard to say whether it will stay there going forward or not.
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battlefar galactica
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Posted - 2010.08.09 20:43:00 -
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its interesting to see because surely by this stage everyone who is still interested in pi has focused on making coolant and still they cannot bring the price of coolant down. My opinion is that now the more upper tiers in pi have to rise becuase of this.
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Edele
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Posted - 2010.08.09 21:05:00 -
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nice to see that condensates have increased by 10,000 per unit within the last hour. Never post on the forums- but i watch them and i just had to say this- i'm sick of traders running their mouth and causing a general increase in wares- its happened with coolant there last week and now its happening with everything that people mention on the forums.
KEEP YOUR TRADE TIPS TO YOUR SELF.
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Berikath
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Posted - 2010.08.09 21:05:00 -
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Edited by: Berikath on 09/08/2010 21:13:23
Originally by: EvilCheez
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coolant looks to stay up around the 20,000 isk mark.
It's been there for less than a week, so its hard to say whether it will stay there going forward or not.
It's been there less than a week, and there was a huge, huge, HUGE runup on electrolytes and water costs (as in, electrolytes went up about 50x to 30k per, then back down to ~2x, and water went up 2 or 3x). Prices look to be dropping back down pretty quickly, so if you figure they go back to 500/unit for electrolytes and 250/unit for water, that puts costs/unit of coolant at about 6k. Even with a (very large) profit margin, that would put prices at about 10k/unit.
If they stay up at 20k (read- over twice as profitable as ANY other PI good), then SOMEBODY's gonna be doin a whoooooole lot of manipulation of prices.
Originally by: Edele
nice to see that condensates have increased by 10,000 per unit within the last hour. Never post on the forums- but i watch them and i just had to say this- i'm sick of traders running their mouth and causing a general increase in wares- its happened with coolant there last week and now its happening with everything that people mention on the forums.
KEEP YOUR TRADE TIPS TO YOUR SELF.
.... that is, unless you happen to have a large stockpile of condensates you want to move at absurd margins.
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battlefar galactica
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Posted - 2010.08.09 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Edele
nice to see that condensates have increased by 10,000 per unit within the last hour. Never post on the forums- but i watch them and i just had to say this- i'm sick of traders running their mouth and causing a general increase in wares- its happened with coolant there last week and now its happening with everything that people mention on the forums.
KEEP YOUR TRADE TIPS TO YOUR SELF.
erm traders mouthing didn't really push the prices up PI did- so get your facts straight- yes obviously people had an influece- due to panic buying and selling but the prices would have hit 20,000 one way or another due to the pi click fest
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Berikath
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Posted - 2010.08.09 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: battlefar galactica
Originally by: Edele
nice to see that condensates have increased by 10,000 per unit within the last hour. Never post on the forums- but i watch them and i just had to say this- i'm sick of traders running their mouth and causing a general increase in wares- its happened with coolant there last week and now its happening with everything that people mention on the forums.
KEEP YOUR TRADE TIPS TO YOUR SELF.
erm traders mouthing didn't really push the prices up PI did- so get your facts straight- yes obviously people had an influece- due to panic buying and selling but the prices would have hit 20,000 one way or another due to the pi click fest
Obvious trader alt is obvious.
PI being a click-fest has nothing to do with prices of coolant hitting 20k. If that were the case, ALL P3s would be hitting 20k. They aren't, so 20-1, you're just trying to move your stockpile of coolant.
Do me a favor though- let me know what the NEXT commodity is you plan on ROYALLY screwing the market for? I'd like to get my stocks up to a few days worth so my planets don't stop producing while I'm waiting for your BS to blow over.
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SavageBastard
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.08.09 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Berikath
Do me a favor though- let me know what the NEXT commodity is you plan on ROYALLY screwing the market for? I'd like to get my stocks up to a few days worth so my planets don't stop producing while I'm waiting for your BS to blow over.
If you were any good at what you do you'd already know.
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battlefar galactica
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Posted - 2010.08.09 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Berikath
Originally by: battlefar galactica
Originally by: Edele
nice to see that condensates have increased by 10,000 per unit within the last hour. Never post on the forums- but i watch them and i just had to say this- i'm sick of traders running their mouth and causing a general increase in wares- its happened with coolant there last week and now its happening with everything that people mention on the forums.
KEEP YOUR TRADE TIPS TO YOUR SELF.
erm traders mouthing didn't really push the prices up PI did- so get your facts straight- yes obviously people had an influece- due to panic buying and selling but the prices would have hit 20,000 one way or another due to the pi click fest
Obvious trader alt is obvious.
PI being a click-fest has nothing to do with prices of coolant hitting 20k. If that were the case, ALL P3s would be hitting 20k. They aren't, so 20-1, you're just trying to move your stockpile of coolant.
Do me a favor though- let me know what the NEXT commodity is you plan on ROYALLY screwing the market for? I'd like to get my stocks up to a few days worth so my planets don't stop producing while I'm waiting for your BS to blow over.
I wont lie i hopped on the coolant bandwagon from reading the forums and made lots of isk- I cant believe that you could think that the PI click fest didn't have an effect on coolant prices. Maybe i'm completely wrong though and maybe it was just someone sitting in the back ground 'royally screwing the market' as you put it. I sold my last supply of coolant days ago- i have none left and i'm no longer buying it or have any interest in it as i belive it WILL crash in the near future.
And as for her yes clearly she's an alt for someone else-trying to move other commodmodities, but lets see if herd mentality takes over again regarding p3 and p4 itemes. Its extremely interesting watching the eve market.
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Berikath
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Posted - 2010.08.09 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: SavageBastard
Originally by: Berikath
Do me a favor though- let me know what the NEXT commodity is you plan on ROYALLY screwing the market for? I'd like to get my stocks up to a few days worth so my planets don't stop producing while I'm waiting for your BS to blow over.
If you were any good at what you do you'd already know.
I use P1s to build stuff. I don't really care what the next panic-buy is gonna be, 'cuz I don't have a couple billion ISK to buy up a ton of it and resell it. What I do is make money DESPITE market instability, not BECAUSE of it.
Originally by: battlefar galactica
I wont lie i hopped on the coolant bandwagon from reading the forums and made lots of isk- I cant believe that you could think that the PI click fest didn't have an effect on coolant prices. Maybe i'm completely wrong though and maybe it was just someone sitting in the back ground 'royally screwing the market' as you put it. I sold my last supply of coolant days ago- i have none left and i'm no longer buying it or have any interest in it as i belive it WILL crash in the near future.
And as for her yes clearly she's an alt for someone else-trying to move other commodmodities, but lets see if herd mentality takes over again regarding p3 and p4 itemes. Its extremely interesting watching the eve market.
Again- Other PI commodities did not experience a huge uptick in price at the same time. PI is no more of a click-fest for coolant than it is for any other commodity, so that will only affect LONG TERM price trends, not immediate ones.
If you want to link the price jump to something more general, link it to the newness of PI and the lack of significant stockpiles of commodities. THAT will influence price jumps far more than anything else (save doomsayers on the forum causing a run on a certain commodity).
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SavageBastard
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.08.09 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Berikath
Originally by: SavageBastard
Originally by: Berikath
Do me a favor though- let me know what the NEXT commodity is you plan on ROYALLY screwing the market for? I'd like to get my stocks up to a few days worth so my planets don't stop producing while I'm waiting for your BS to blow over.
If you were any good at what you do you'd already know.
I use P1s to build stuff. I don't really care what the next panic-buy is gonna be, 'cuz I don't have a couple billion ISK to buy up a ton of it and resell it. What I do is make money DESPITE market instability, not BECAUSE of it.
How noble of you. It's too bad that you've mistaken "insanely undervalued" for "panic buy." If you knew what you were doing you'd know how to value items and thus be able to determine where they will trend instead of complaining about the evil market speculators on Eve-O.
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EvilCheez
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Posted - 2010.08.09 22:27:00 -
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The big question is whether mechanical parts can hold at this price. There is no lack of sellers at 6771 ( and they are dropping big stacks too), but the price is still holding. If mechanical parts pops again then so does robotics....etc etc.
But it is hard to say - thats why there are buyers and sellers making bets.
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Berikath
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Posted - 2010.08.10 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: SavageBastard
Originally by: Berikath
Originally by: SavageBastard
Originally by: Berikath
Do me a favor though- let me know what the NEXT commodity is you plan on ROYALLY screwing the market for? I'd like to get my stocks up to a few days worth so my planets don't stop producing while I'm waiting for your BS to blow over.
If you were any good at what you do you'd already know.
I use P1s to build stuff. I don't really care what the next panic-buy is gonna be, 'cuz I don't have a couple billion ISK to buy up a ton of it and resell it. What I do is make money DESPITE market instability, not BECAUSE of it.
How noble of you. It's too bad that you've mistaken "insanely undervalued" for "panic buy." If you knew what you were doing you'd know how to value items and thus be able to determine where they will trend instead of complaining about the evil market speculators on Eve-O.
Prices for P1s which were not seeded on the market at all are around 500 isk/unit. One P1 is just as hard as any other to produce, so one isn't generally inherently twice as valuable (or more) as any other. I don't really care if they are undervalued; their price is gonna be whatever it is gonna be.
The only thing which irritated me is that speculation drove price of a SPECIFIC commodity far out of normal range. It's gonna go back to 5-600 ISK/u in a few days, I just hadn't stockpiled stocks to ride out the spike. That's all that was mildly irritating.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.08.10 01:48:00 -
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Edited by: Rakshasa Taisab on 10/08/2010 01:51:21
Originally by: Berikath
The only thing which irritated me is that speculation drove price of a SPECIFIC commodity far out of normal range. It's gonna go back to 5-600 ISK/u in a few days, I just hadn't stockpiled stocks to ride out the spike. That's all that was mildly irritating.
It's not going back anytime this year and if you think so you're not very familiar with how things work.
Coolant stockpiles aren't getting bigger leading to ever increased demand, and prices of electrolytes will continue to fluctuate as a constant stream of new electrolytes producers come online making them cheap enough for more people to process into coolant in turn raising prices.
And btw, a good producer is supposed to know how to get cheap raw materials so don't act so holy ignoring trade 'manipulation'.
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente
Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.10 09:51:00 -
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This is not going to put upward price pressure on P3/P4 for a while, if anything it's going to reduce demand for new POS and increase the downward pressure on them, in the shorter term.
Look at what items also use 'Electrolytes', those are next, Rocket Fuel, Synthetic Oil and the things they produce. I tipped these a few days ago and Synthetic Oil has already risen some but has longer legs.
Look at the make up of other POS supplies, the supply is contracting in most and it's only a matter of time before somebody cleans out the market for those. They probably won't go as high as electrolytes, but they will provide a 200-300% profit spike over the next week or two.
Fertilizer and Polytextiles are also cheap but stocks need to deplete some more before they really start to rise.
The smart money is already out of Electrolytes and Coolant.
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Jeeta Ho
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Posted - 2010.08.10 11:11:00 -
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The "smart money" never bothered getting into the "click-fest" of PI.
The "smart money" bought coolant by the freighter load back at the old NPC prices, or lower, and just waited.
P3 and P4 materials will NOT move for a long, long time. There are plenty of *surplus* POS out there, either anchored as placeholders or recently taken down due to fuel costs.
Forget P3 and P4, for the foreseeable future.
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