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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.23 02:51:00 -
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Hey guys.
I tried pvping yesterday
So i brought a pimp T2 fit kestrel and died a horrid death
I cried the whole night and bio massed Frozean. So ends my era of trolling
Btw, i use the tengu and golem with the same character. So yea, i dont have Heavy missile ZMH implant in my head. i think if i can push that in i can 2-hit lots of mordu's cruisers, but wateva.
I use faction standings to do missions. So on average, im able to reject 40-70 missions per 16 mission storyline, and as long as its not Material of war, it will balance out.
Btw, i absulotely HATE Amarr LP Store. Not only the best farmable mission site is a high sec island, it also requires insane ammounts of tags to get at.
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.23 13:42:00 -
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11/10?
actually im pretty serious.
I biomassed frozean ;P
If you check ingame it doesnt exist anymore. Or someone might ninja the trollface.
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.23 14:44:00 -
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yes. because having 3 carebear characters
(a cnr pilot, a golem+tengu pilot, a macha+nm pilot) is all sorts of gay.
So i decided to get rid of frozean. To give place for a pvp character. I love this game.
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.23 15:07:00 -
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Edited by: Moose Burger on 23/08/2010 15:12:22
Edited by: Moose Burger on 23/08/2010 15:10:33
I told you guys.
Even after i shown my screen shots of my wallet, people still wont believe it.
Banging your head to the wall is more profitable then trying to prove a point to morons.
Look at this thread
Someone tried to ask for screenshot. then wallet . then full API. What next, my credit card details? my ID and password? How about my Social Security number/ID?
The entries is very simple
Frozean is my first char
Frozean goes into CNR and earns money
Frozean buys Golem pilot
Frozean buys NM char
Golem pilot now carebears and earn money
Golem pilot buys a pvp char
But i have only one account! one account = 3 chars!
So i got rid of Frozean.
understando?
point is, Frozean being alive or not doesnt change my golempilot earning in any way. He is just a disposable "main" of mine, whose point of existence was just to earn my first 10 bil for toons.
After that his role was just to annoy people, and to post stuff and gloat about how people are missioning so sub-optimally with joke ships like the dominix.
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.23 15:13:00 -
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see what i said? I dont know how many times i said i have only one account, and idiots keep coming.
Non-stop.
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.23 15:55:00 -
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Edited by: Moose Burger on 23/08/2010 16:05:25
when i say i earn 102m isk hour, real isk/hour is 87, that means theoratically if i played non stop i could easily get 102m isk/hour.
However reality is cruel. I take toilet break between missions. I stretch my wrists, hands and legs every hour to avoid crams. I take 10-20 minutes lunch breaks. i have to pray Zuhur, maghrib and isyak which is always through my playing time
Hence when i calculated the real isk/hour after an insanely long period of time, i get reduced isk/hour by virtue of having commitments to real life activities
I did a price check, and the price of Frozean was only 1.3B at most, although i did advertise that he has more then 8.5/7 caldari/amarr standing.
The cost of transfering a character AS THE TRANSFERER is RM100-RM120 in my currency.
So i decided that its not really worth the money. So i biomassed him, just i didnt feel like its worth it to sell the character for such low returns. thus biomass he goes.
Worth it or not? I had a rare deal on a character spec that i wanted (I kinda wanted a sub-BS toon that has industrial+science V, minmatar+caldari+amar/gallente+ T2 projectile+ T2 missiles, shield+armor, ewar+logistic+ganglink+covert ops+command ships, torps+hams ) and someone had it. Given i had no time and deal and offers go in a matter of seconds, i clicked the biomass button and traded in.
Cuz i knew if i missed this toon, im gonna cry much more then if i cry by biomassing frozean instead of selling him
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.23 16:45:00 -
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Edited by: Moose Burger on 23/08/2010 16:46:06
Percone is an NPC corp? since when?
as I said. the idiots keeps coming.
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.23 17:07:00 -
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my NM/M toon has Amarr/minmatar BS
other has 5/5/4 social + Gallente/Caldari BS
hence my 2 toons has all perfect battleship skills.
hence i dont want a bloody BS char in my third slot. Like Frozean.
11 characters?5 characters? no one asked you to look underneath the sensors.
Look at the reality on the right side.
The reality that you want to hide from.
Have that been said, i just perfected certain parts of my mission running by doing the following
-Massive attack is always rejected
-Attack of drones is now done with a Marauder, because the 2/3 Elite battleships gives 1-2 million worth of ores consistently. Tengu also needs a reload if 3 battleships spawn, overall, the fast warping time was mitigated by the fact the drones resist kinetic quite well.
-Buzz kill is included. This mission has an average of 131M isk/hour.
-Fastened "mordu's folly" by 2 minutes by streamlining mission completion triggers instead of finishing the "panties" battleships
-Fastened "The Blockade" to 15 minutes (but i can still finish it in 12 minutes if im lucky) by doing the following
1) Kill first trigger battleship
2) Kill everything in first spawn while boating to 2nd trigger
3) Kill second trigger battleship
4) Kill everything in second spawn except elite cruisers.
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By doing the above, you dont need to switch to javelins as you let battleships to surround you as you kill non-trigger battleships. 600+ dps tank is needed for the final seraphim spawn
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.23 17:09:00 -
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^ you can post with 10:00 timer biomassed characters running (yes, since a couple of days ago Frozean was always at the end of the 10 hour timer so i can biomass it any time (or save it))
You can edit biomassed characters posts. even now.
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.23 17:26:00 -
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Look at frozeans faction standings
Caldari State8.67
Faction standings cant be obatained by sharing accounts
Faction standings are obtained by grinding storylines.
Yes. I played a lot. I could say ive already done almost 70-80 storyline missions on Frozean all of them in Haatomo.
Anything else?
Are you saying Frozean with bad minmatar standings and no Minmatar NPC standings can somehow share info with a toon in the same account?
I dont know what goes in your mind but. Its tiring to answer all the troll questions that is completely unrelated to the ammount of isk/hour i made.
Shared rewards? Are you saying that somehow i should be getting 3 million isk from mission rewards and another 3 million isk from time rewards? God. If thats the case i would have loved to cheat everyone in the world.
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.23 17:46:00 -
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Edited by: Moose Burger on 23/08/2010 17:55:46
^^ now that liang posted above me i feel like an ass hole for posting such a bad post which was for the guy 3 above me. edited out.
Liang. You know more then i do 2K isk/LP is a hugely understating the real conversion. SPecially for that particular minmatar item.
You also would probably know how much Loot a golem nets in from missions. Its something i can never give up for any other ship doing close-range missions.
102/87 m isk/hour is a HUUUUUUUUUUUUGE understatement for people who actually knows what kind of money they are making.Although i dont feel like proving this point, thereby avoiding a huge troll discussion on proving, API, account info, credit card, bad toons, bad biomass, and fake security status (also, 3 million isk fake time reward+ 3 mil isk fake mission reward)
The real reason of this thread is to help golem/tengu runners to run missions at very fast timings. Ive received nice ammounts of feedback mails on froze, and i will still continue to help high sec players who really want to get into the game fast without enslaving themselves to 0.0 politics and the like
Probably be my last post. cuz im getting my last storyline before bed, hopefully pushing my gallente standings up to 8.00
Good luck everyone.
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.23 21:39:00 -
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What does the "RM100-RM120" refer to here? GBP? Hmmm
Im a secret hax traveller around the world. Acting cool and not afraid of anything.
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.23 22:23:00 -
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Edited by: Moose Burger on 23/08/2010 22:23:33
RM = ringgit malaysia = Malaysia currency
ID = identification = or i/c in malay, used to identify myself
Social security number = nombor kad pengenalan = number frequently used for identity thief, however the system yet remain as bad as it is today.
UK = A boring place when outside london. specially in coventry, where if you dont get drunk at night you have nothing to do.
Im lying = Malaysian are never allowed to step in UK soil, much less smell drunk people or make statements about the happenings in UK. Of course, all M.A.S aeroplanes landing in heathrow should be shot. And all Malaysian scholars wanting to study in UK are all illegal immegrants and will be annihilated.
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.23 23:35:00 -
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oh. guess ill check out the place. Its insanely awesome to have characters unbounded by training ;D , but im guessing i would need to join some alliance or something right?
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.24 15:35:00 -
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My experience is other wise.
When the station loads, my timer is 20-23 seconds.
Right after i click agents, dismiss locator, mission complete, i only have 0-10 seconds left on the timer.
Load/strip will cause weapons to upgroup, and mods will randomly be scattered once you leave the station. this is HORRIBLE.
There is a reason i switch ships. and its because its a tested-and-true time saver.
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.24 22:28:00 -
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Edited by: Moose Burger on 24/08/2010 22:29:36
Well, the speed that i play, when i bought my golem pilot, it had horrible minmatar standings. im saying -6 or below.
In 16 days, i swung his minmatar standings from -4.xx to 8.50 just by abusing diplomacy, some tutorials, and mass storylines. As proof that its storylines, my "allied with minmatar" factions are all at its "max" minmatar standings. 7.xx gallente, 4.xx thukker tribe etc etc.
Now, as i said, even if you reject 30-50 missions per storyline, your FACTION STANDINGS will hold equal. Moreover! your corporation standing will always be above 3.00. Remember, as your corp standings goes lower and lower, every decrease will be in smaller proportions, and every increase will be in bigger proportions.
I dont know the exact calculation, but once you hit 3.00, rejecting a mission nets you -0.05~-0.3 while finishing a mission gives a whopping 0.5-1.0
At the rate i reject, i reject approximately 12-14 missions out of the pool of 33 missions, my corp standings never went below 4.00 so im fine.
Dont use a different character. Firstly you cant use characters in the same account, and secondly, your reward will not magically double to 3m and time reward to 3m although some people think otherwise.
And thirdly, assuming it really works like i think it does, your alt will have to warp your main into wateva place to go. This is a huge waste of time and apm, as piloting a golem is very skill and apm intensive
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.24 22:43:00 -
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So as long as your standings is repairable to -1.99, you just have to keep doing missions and storylines. You get the benefit of getting corp standings, faction standings, and still earn LP by doing lv 4's at the same time.
Btw if you dont know already, there is a troll lurking here who keeps putting words into my mouth. Please do yourself a favor and ignore him.
3 storylines a day is enough to get your faction standings from -4.xx to positive 8.50+ very quickly
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.25 00:18:00 -
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Edited by: Moose Burger on 25/08/2010 00:21:03
Well, on average my missions takes 8-9 minutes each after i start rejecting "vengeance" for yielding low isk/hour.
Sounds like a grind. but its fasting season , so until my holiday ends, i have nothing to do in the day, so i spend 5-8 hours playing , letting me earn 150k-240k LP a day. ( ussualy i stop after i rounded a bPC)
P.S: i already flooded the market with 300-400 faction items and the price are still holding. Just the tags prices are going up, real quickly.
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.25 06:03:00 -
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hey weather i like it or not, once i start working, i will be in front of a computer for 9 hours every day at least, except this time i will have to cope with co-workers and bosses.
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.25 22:19:00 -
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I think a 3 hour stretch was enough to prove my point.(again, please look at the screens first)
I ussualy play till i get a storyline (takes 1.8-2.5 hours) and stop. Then i stop playing and stretch and continue later.
Someone even posted a simple way to get 3.5K isk per LP.
FYI, as long as you work with gallente/amarr/minmatar, all three of this factions has items which sell for well above 3K isk per lP
Im not going to reveal them of course. But as long as you keep abusing excel and find contract market loopholes, you can easily make huge ammounts of isk with no time investment. Just by setting up correct contracts at the correct time.
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.25 22:59:00 -
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I update my isk/hour, rewards, and LP value by alt-tabbing while warping and mission running.
Thus it doesnt lower my isk/hour
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.26 21:53:00 -
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If you are near Jita, always always sell your loot manually instead of reprocessing. In my experience, midway between lowest WTS and highest WTB, no matter what item, will dissapear very fast (you know it, cuz its at 0.00% region price).
My last 800K m3 of loot yield me something between 3B-4B of isk worth of stuff (i dont pick low isk/M3 stuff, only mods, which seems useful to someone).
At the rate i pick, the golem can generate 12 K m3 - 24 K m3 of modules everyday, so dont underestimate the loot at all, you will be very surprised how much extra money loot can generate. Even in a tengu, keep burning towards large wrecks and dont ignore stuffs.
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.27 00:38:00 -
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Edited by: Moose Burger on 27/08/2010 00:40:28
Okay. someone mailed me about imperial navy EANM's, and why i dont farm them anymore.
There are a couple of reasons why i dont like farming in Amarr space
Firstly Blood raider and sansha missions generally yield much less LP in their missions.
A Q18-20, system 0.6-0.7 caldari/minmatar missions like pirate invasion, massive attack, slave trader, and angel missions of the same name in general, yields almost 30-40% more LP then a same agent of the same quality.
Now what does this means? well, As a first, although you forcast 3K isk/LP exchange, because you earn less LP in general, you end up around the same as 2.1-2.3K isk/LP.
Secondly, EM-thermal is a very weak point for shields. Both tengu and Golem cant 3-slot-tank EM damage, they are forced to tank with 4-slots (or even 5 if your shield skills are low). This is quite a huge disadvantage, as you need all the slots you can for painters.
Thirdly, the Amarr science store is in the edge of the constelation. That means, you will be oftenly thrown 2 jumps+ to your mission , and this is very very bad.
Now the final part is, that particular "good Q/A" Hub is also in a high sec island. Some say its trivial, but when you are stuck with 860,000m3 of loot worth billions in a high sec island, you know you have just gimped yourself a lot.
This also means you have to haul yourself , your loot/salvage, and your own logistics. Because your only alternative is Jump freighting, which might cost you 200 million isk 2-ways, not even including hauling to the nearest market hubs.
Thats what i think anyways. Some people might think otherwise? I really dont like missioning in Amarr.
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.27 10:09:00 -
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haha. if you earn RM80 per hour in malaysia, you probably can have 4 wives, 2 bungalows with swimming pool by the sea side, and own a company or two by the time you are 90 years old.
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.27 12:36:00 -
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Life was good in the UK. My scholarship for studying was ú800 a month, poor as a Uk citizen (or permenant resident), but its still more then my starting wage as an FA.
Kinda ironic tbh, but then again living there was pretty expensive. And we still have to cut corners.
Cant imagine how tight it was for scholars in London though. Although i went there once in a while, i confirm that it was hella expensive. (ú180 bus transport/year vs. ú85 monthly oyster? cant comprehend!)
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.27 15:09:00 -
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Depends where. im ussualy near to rens/dodixie/hek/jita missioning.
That means, i can modify it while missioning using the quick market bar.
Ussualy, at 0.00% region price, almost any item will dissapear very fast. But as usual, if its meta 3/4 of almost ANY item, just put it closer to the lowest WTS and group them under different and it will sell eventually (hint: u wont get much of them)
My skills allow 5+9+5 contracts, and abit over 50 market orders (either buy tags or sell loot) adjust daytrading/procurement/marketing accordingly
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.08.28 21:51:00 -
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Correct. A price between lowest WTS and highest WTB (like literally between) disappears very quickly, if you really want liquidity.
So given that you are going to do, earn fast or earn much, you give a different approach in selling your stuffs.
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.09.01 11:05:00 -
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i dont mind people knowing where im from ;P
i love this thread.
I wanted to updated my new benchmark of 120m isk/hour and 95m real isk/hour, but my laptop wiped out and i lost my excel on it. and im lazy to make another one
i think with the calculation of 3.75K isk/lp, it is easily 180-250m isk/hour. Just im too lazy to fight for the details.
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.09.01 15:26:00 -
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guess ill remake the spreadsheet this weekend. Need to find my Original copy of microsoft office.
Wont be much of a work cuz i can make it consistently. Actually, if you flip in 3.7K isk/LP in the spreadsheet of the first page, you get 180+m isk/hour no problem.
Cept I guess i rather keep the market to the few who farms them. ;)
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.09.01 16:03:00 -
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CNR is a very good ship :)
But i use Tengu because its better, mostly because it warps and allign faster.
Most of my timings are "95%-i-can-get" timings
for example, stop the thief can be completed in even 3-4 minutes. But im 95% guaranteed to hand in the mission in 5 minutes. I hate arguing about insignificant stuff like this, thats why i took generously bad numbers.
For example, now ive mechanically improved my timings consistency by using AB and bane torps. A simple example on how mechanical gaming can improve mission times is
Blockade = 100% doable in 11 minutes, ignoring second final spawns 4 battleships. Sometimes finished in 9-10 minutes
Angel Extravaganza = 100% doable in 19-20 minutes. very consistent.
and some other minor improvements simply by choosing targets correctly and abusing bane /faction missiles at the correct timings.
But as i said. CNR is definitely one of the top mission runners. Its an incredibly good ship.
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.09.05 09:23:00 -
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Edited by: Moose Burger on 05/09/2010 09:24:15
sorry edited out -.-
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.09.16 03:42:00 -
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bumping this up for a buddy
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.09.16 13:00:00 -
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bumping is way easier then making a new topic.
load bookmark--> spamspam-->
If i try for any more actions, it might reduce my isk/hour, as im currently in the middle of blockade.
Btw. im not really interested in pve'ing in 0.0
The only way ill be persuaded to go 0.0, is if the isk/hour is approximately more then 180m-200m isk/hour, which is slightly more then what i get with 3.0-3.5K/Lp conversion, adding a factor of 10% to hedge for my risk.
On all honesty, i prefer staying high sec, because all i need to look for are ships with sebo's, indies and ninja's, which is much less stressing then constant scanning.
Also, I love my passive income generated from being close to rens/jita/dodixie, boosting my isk/hour further with my trading .
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.09.16 22:27:00 -
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Well, there are alliances and corps which books them by the hundreds (yes) at 36-37m each and it sets a huge minimum price to it regardless of the Conversion rate
I also earn more sometimes because i can sell via private contracts to them.
The only bad thing is that, mili is horrible, and my golem-tengu toon earns way faster LP then my nightmare-macha toon stationed in amarr space, which is probably why i stick to gallente.
Plus the possibility of making 6-7 K isk/LP in G-space, although the volume is rather low (have to fight with sansha item)
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.09.17 12:23:00 -
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Most of the time it only takes 100-200K isk to make a run of the item.
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.09.18 02:34:00 -
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First you want the BEST LP store
Then you want the lowest system security rating
Then you want the best quality of agent.
Something like
Q12 0.5
Q15 0.6
Q18 0.7 are all approximately equally good
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.09.18 13:15:00 -
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Btw. i have a question.
I have a some 20-30b iskies to buy a toon. And this toon myself, a macha/nightmare pilot with (iv/v gunnery, large proj+large lasers, all racial BS,level IV socials)
Think i should bio mass this toon for a super capital toon? discuss.
I kinda biomassed frozean for a pvp toon. Now its this toon's turn to be the lowest SP toon in mah account. So i wonder if i should get rid of it or not.
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.09.18 15:17:00 -
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Good luck buying PLEX in malaysia
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.09.18 15:20:00 -
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Edited by: Moose Burger on 18/09/2010 15:22:25
Well, a very highly skilled super capital 0.0 l33t high efficiency corp pilot said to me that,
dont pvp until you are able to blob stuffs with 1000 super capitals.
So im aiming to fly super capitals
(lag post -.-)
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.09.20 10:09:00 -
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Quote:
You telling us you made an additional 30bil isk, in 4-5 weeks, meaning you play an average of 60 hours a week of missions + you never loose anything to pvp or you never buy anything to upgrade your mission ship?
your biggest mistake is that you assume i use all my money to buy my toons. No. Except my first purchase , i bought my toons after having at least 3-10b buffer for losing ships.
Currently i have 3 sets of faction/ds fitted golem/tengu, 2 sets of machariels and nightmares (darn mili being a highsec island), almost a hundred stocked bc's and cruisers each, some dozen of munins and vagabonds. So i think i have a decent buffer to spend up to all my current isk. So yeah. Ill splurge cuz it might be the final toon i buy.
Its impossible to buy plex here. its almost RM100++ which is insanely expensive.
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.09.20 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: Moose Burger on 20/09/2010 11:59:20
You need to pay 5 real dollars to open an account. And my debit card isnt properly setup yet.
Plus, im okay with one account (for now)
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.09.20 12:25:00 -
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Wrong again.
As i always say.
With a caldari navy raven, it is very easy to make insane ammounts of isk.
FYI. i was in CNR abit over a month i started :) exactly 2/3 days after i got my raven. I was pretty hard core at that time. Cuz it was holidaysssssssssssssssssssss 
My earning was 5-10 CN shield boost amps every day (think i do 180-200K LP per day). It was peanuts to make 10b.
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.09.20 13:37:00 -
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The obvious best way to play the sandbox game is obviously
-Everyone becomes a YARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
-Everyone buys cruisers for a hundred million isk (no supply....), or make their own ships
-Everyone mines ore with the one extra slot from their frigate/cruiser while spamming scanner and keeping eye on local
-Everyone uses T1 mods and scrap metal, from the drops of rats :o
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:23:00 -
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Edited by: Moose Burger on 20/09/2010 22:26:53
I do go out for some 5-6km walks sometimes.
But i hate 3D girls. Specially one's with no purple hair :(
Dont blame me for don nothing, cuz i had to live in a friggin hotel/inn alone for 2 friggin months cuz my uni cant provide accommodation for everyone before graduation
Either way tara. gotta go to work. 620am ;<
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.11.28 13:47:00 -
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Edited by: Moose Burger on 28/11/2010 13:47:59
It is my turn to be biomassed/traded. So i guess , uh, maybe this thread should be left to die :<
On the side note, Tengu is definitely the best mission runner ship in EVE. God, i really underestimated its ECCM ability. Think ive increased my capacity to 1M-1.5M LP per day
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