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dosperado	Posted - 2004.12.23 03:28:00 - [1] Save the Archeological Site Offer Description I have urgent need of your services, dosperado. This is a rather personal matter. You see, a close friend of mine, the late Lamenin Uno, may he rest in peace, was a highly respected archeologist within the Science and Trade Institute. He was also a nationalist by heart, and specialized in finding ancient Caldari ruins. But unfortunately, his line of work can sometimes be highly dangerous. His last job was to lead a team of archeologists to a remote ruined station, which used to be an outpost of the Caldari State in no-mans land which was supposed to secure our inevitable expansion into the neutral territories. This was not to be however, as this station, along with a few other outposts, was suddenly and inexplicably destroyed a few centuries before the Gallente-Caldari war. No one has ever been able to uncover the truth about what happened that horrible day. The distance from the rest of the State prevented our government at the time from sending in reinforcements before the station had been reduced to ruins. This event put a serious toll on our efforts at expanding the State, as you should know if you ever went to history class back in school. But anyway, to cut the story short, Lamenin ventured to the system where the station was known to have existed in, and was never seen or heard from since. The Caldari Navy sent in a rescue team, which found the remains of Lamenin's ship not far from the ruins. A squadron of Guristas led by a man named Imai Kenon was spotted nearby, and the rescue team had to retreat after a brief scuffle. No further attempts were made at retrieving Lamenin's body, as the Navy considered it too risky. What I'd like you to do is fairly obvious. Find that scoundrel Imai Kenon and destroy him. I'm not sure what they are doing over there, but it wouldn't surprise me if they were simply there to loot the ancient ruins, or search for something of value that they think is hidden there. They must not be allowed to desecrate our historical heritage! Lamenin would not want it. Offered Items: These items are being offered to you by your agent: one unit of Caldari Navy Hookbill Blueprint Cost: The agent is requesting the following as payment for the item: one unit of Imai Kenon's Tag one unit of Dread Guristas Silver Tag thirty units of Guristas Bronze Tag twenty units of Guristas Silver Tag twenty units of Guristas Electrum Tag 75000 Loyalty Points I collected all the tags which were requested, except the Imai Kenon's Tag because the agent gave no bookmark to me where to find that named NPC (25k? Bounty) Imai Kenon!!!! I don't want to search through all the 5000 starsystems :// Would be nice if a dev could give more information about that! thx ____________________ CEO Denial of Service NPC Mass Murderer \| Security Status 6.4
dosperado	Posted - 2004.12.23 03:28:00 - [2] Save the Archeological Site Offer Description I have urgent need of your services, dosperado. This is a rather personal matter. You see, a close friend of mine, the late Lamenin Uno, may he rest in peace, was a highly respected archeologist within the Science and Trade Institute. He was also a nationalist by heart, and specialized in finding ancient Caldari ruins. But unfortunately, his line of work can sometimes be highly dangerous. His last job was to lead a team of archeologists to a remote ruined station, which used to be an outpost of the Caldari State in no-mans land which was supposed to secure our inevitable expansion into the neutral territories. This was not to be however, as this station, along with a few other outposts, was suddenly and inexplicably destroyed a few centuries before the Gallente-Caldari war. No one has ever been able to uncover the truth about what happened that horrible day. The distance from the rest of the State prevented our government at the time from sending in reinforcements before the station had been reduced to ruins. This event put a serious toll on our efforts at expanding the State, as you should know if you ever went to history class back in school. But anyway, to cut the story short, Lamenin ventured to the system where the station was known to have existed in, and was never seen or heard from since. The Caldari Navy sent in a rescue team, which found the remains of Lamenin's ship not far from the ruins. A squadron of Guristas led by a man named Imai Kenon was spotted nearby, and the rescue team had to retreat after a brief scuffle. No further attempts were made at retrieving Lamenin's body, as the Navy considered it too risky. What I'd like you to do is fairly obvious. Find that scoundrel Imai Kenon and destroy him. I'm not sure what they are doing over there, but it wouldn't surprise me if they were simply there to loot the ancient ruins, or search for something of value that they think is hidden there. They must not be allowed to desecrate our historical heritage! Lamenin would not want it. Offered Items: These items are being offered to you by your agent: one unit of Caldari Navy Hookbill Blueprint Cost: The agent is requesting the following as payment for the item: one unit of Imai Kenon's Tag one unit of Dread Guristas Silver Tag thirty units of Guristas Bronze Tag twenty units of Guristas Silver Tag twenty units of Guristas Electrum Tag 75000 Loyalty Points I collected all the tags which were requested, except the Imai Kenon's Tag because the agent gave no bookmark to me where to find that named NPC (25k? Bounty) Imai Kenon!!!! I don't want to search through all the 5000 starsystems :// Would be nice if a dev could give more information about that! thx ____________________ CEO Denial of Service NPC Mass Murderer \| Security Status 6.4
Sabahl	Posted - 2004.12.23 03:49:00 - [3] No dev need reply. That guy is a rare spawn from some of the missions. If you are lucky someone might have spawned him, kille dhim and got the tag from him. Your problem is that anyne who has done that is probably lookign for the ship BP hismelf so you're not going to prize ithe tag away from him without paying a hell of a lot of ISK.
Sabahl	Posted - 2004.12.23 03:49:00 - [4] No dev need reply. That guy is a rare spawn from some of the missions. If you are lucky someone might have spawned him, kille dhim and got the tag from him. Your problem is that anyne who has done that is probably lookign for the ship BP hismelf so you're not going to prize ithe tag away from him without paying a hell of a lot of ISK.
Lardarz B'stard	Posted - 2004.12.23 07:57:00 - [5] Can you not get a location agent to find the guy you are after? (might be wrong) Other than that, ask in trade channel or put up a want ad for the tag. Someone will have it E.T. Radio - designed to enhance your flying experience.... http://radio.evesound.net:8000/evetrance.ogg.m3u
Lardarz B'stard	Posted - 2004.12.23 07:57:00 - [6] Can you not get a location agent to find the guy you are after? (might be wrong) Other than that, ask in trade channel or put up a want ad for the tag. Someone will have it E.T. Radio - designed to enhance your flying experience.... http://radio.evesound.net:8000/evetrance.ogg.m3u
Sabahl	Posted - 2004.12.23 08:06:00 - [7] Originally by: Lardarz B'stard Can you not get a location agent to find the guy you are after? (might be wrong) Other than that, ask in trade channel or put up a want ad for the tag. Someone will have it He's a spawned NPC, not a static character, so no.
Sabahl	Posted - 2004.12.23 08:06:00 - [8] Originally by: Lardarz B'stard Can you not get a location agent to find the guy you are after? (might be wrong) Other than that, ask in trade channel or put up a want ad for the tag. Someone will have it He's a spawned NPC, not a static character, so no.
Zrakor	Posted - 2004.12.23 09:42:00 - [9] The Old Archeological Site is unfortunately hidden at the moment. I predict that it will be miraculously rediscovered in early or mid january.
Zrakor	Posted - 2004.12.23 09:42:00 - [10] The Old Archeological Site is unfortunately hidden at the moment. I predict that it will be miraculously rediscovered in early or mid january.

dosperado	Posted - 2004.12.23 10:04:00 - [11] Edited by: dosperado on 23/12/2004 10:05:23 Originally by: Zrakor The Old Archeological Site is unfortunately hidden at the moment. I predict that it will be miraculously rediscovered in early or mid january. So this offer is worthless and I wasted all my time to get the other tags together? Great! Maybe you can put an Imai Kenon's tag in my hangar and I am pleased. ____________________ CEO Denial of Service NPC Mass Murderer \| Security Status 6.4
dosperado	Posted - 2004.12.23 10:04:00 - [12] Edited by: dosperado on 23/12/2004 10:05:23 Originally by: Zrakor The Old Archeological Site is unfortunately hidden at the moment. I predict that it will be miraculously rediscovered in early or mid january. So this offer is worthless and I wasted all my time to get the other tags together? Great! Maybe you can put an Imai Kenon's tag in my hangar and I am pleased. ____________________ CEO Denial of Service NPC Mass Murderer \| Security Status 6.4
ElCoCo	Posted - 2004.12.23 10:11:00 - [13] Originally by: Zrakor The Old Archeological Site is unfortunately hidden at the moment. I predict that it will be miraculously rediscovered in early or mid january. Then you should enable that tag to drop in another mission in the meantime (if it doesn't already)... impossible missions=bad
ElCoCo	Posted - 2004.12.23 10:11:00 - [14] Originally by: Zrakor The Old Archeological Site is unfortunately hidden at the moment. I predict that it will be miraculously rediscovered in early or mid january. Then you should enable that tag to drop in another mission in the meantime (if it doesn't already)... impossible missions=bad
dosperado	Posted - 2004.12.23 10:25:00 - [15] Seems to be something wrong with faction ship offers......I should have known that... The other strange thing is that the agent requests a bunch of NPC tags which you can loot from 8-17.5k NPC's (lvl2 missions e.g.). But my agent is a lvl4 agent and why the hell he doesn't request palladium or gold tags which you can get in those missions. I had to switch back to lvl2 missions to get those tags (really annoying) and wasted a lot of time only to realize now that I cant get the last missing tag because that faction ship offer is borked. I am ____________________ CEO Denial of Service NPC Mass Murderer \| Security Status 6.4
dosperado	Posted - 2004.12.23 10:25:00 - [16] Seems to be something wrong with faction ship offers......I should have known that... The other strange thing is that the agent requests a bunch of NPC tags which you can loot from 8-17.5k NPC's (lvl2 missions e.g.). But my agent is a lvl4 agent and why the hell he doesn't request palladium or gold tags which you can get in those missions. I had to switch back to lvl2 missions to get those tags (really annoying) and wasted a lot of time only to realize now that I cant get the last missing tag because that faction ship offer is borked. I am ____________________ CEO Denial of Service NPC Mass Murderer \| Security Status 6.4
Kretin Arnon	Posted - 2004.12.23 10:42:00 - [17] Edited by: Kretin Arnon on 23/12/2004 10:42:37 It's pretty hard to find out if the Imai Kenon tag drops at all. Most people will perhaps not have done enough level 2 missions to ever have met the guy. As example it took me 12 "Gone Beserk" mission at level 3 before I met an Amarr Navy Raid Leader and a got his tag (12 more and I met him again and he forgot to drop anything). And I've done 30 "Blockade" missions at least before I finally met the named navy commander in that one. These tags aren't easy to get is all I can say.
Kretin Arnon	Posted - 2004.12.23 10:42:00 - [18] Edited by: Kretin Arnon on 23/12/2004 10:42:37 It's pretty hard to find out if the Imai Kenon tag drops at all. Most people will perhaps not have done enough level 2 missions to ever have met the guy. As example it took me 12 "Gone Beserk" mission at level 3 before I met an Amarr Navy Raid Leader and a got his tag (12 more and I met him again and he forgot to drop anything). And I've done 30 "Blockade" missions at least before I finally met the named navy commander in that one. These tags aren't easy to get is all I can say.
Gungankllr	Posted - 2004.12.23 11:04:00 - [19] Can you post a screenshot of the blueprint? Us peons would love to see what it is. www.hadean.org
Gungankllr	Posted - 2004.12.23 11:04:00 - [20] Can you post a screenshot of the blueprint? Us peons would love to see what it is. www.hadean.org

Zrakor	Posted - 2004.12.23 11:15:00 - [21] This is not a mission, just an offer. If you feel that you cannot complete it, simply decline the offer. You will never recieve bookmarks to the spawn point of these npcs through the offer, we do not expect you to complete it, it's purely optional. That said, we decided to enable the ship offers even though some of them are currently pretty much uncompletable to due the tag not being available till the patch in early or mid January. This atleast gives you a hint at what the offer costs and what you need to get to complete it. You will most likely recieve the offer again some time down the line, if you haven't spent too many Loyalty Points that is.
Zrakor	Posted - 2004.12.23 11:15:00 - [22] This is not a mission, just an offer. If you feel that you cannot complete it, simply decline the offer. You will never recieve bookmarks to the spawn point of these npcs through the offer, we do not expect you to complete it, it's purely optional. That said, we decided to enable the ship offers even though some of them are currently pretty much uncompletable to due the tag not being available till the patch in early or mid January. This atleast gives you a hint at what the offer costs and what you need to get to complete it. You will most likely recieve the offer again some time down the line, if you haven't spent too many Loyalty Points that is.
Zrakor	Posted - 2004.12.23 11:18:00 - [23] Originally by: dosperado Seems to be something wrong with faction ship offers......I should have known that... The other strange thing is that the agent requests a bunch of NPC tags which you can loot from 8-17.5k NPC's (lvl2 missions e.g.). But my agent is a lvl4 agent and why the hell he doesn't request palladium or gold tags which you can get in those missions. I had to switch back to lvl2 missions to get those tags (really annoying) and wasted a lot of time only to realize now that I cant get the last missing tag because that faction ship offer is borked. I am Well, the offers aren't agent level based, so the frigates require tags acquire from frigate npcs most of the time. Once the deadspace npcs actually start dropping tags, they will become less of a problem.
Zrakor	Posted - 2004.12.23 11:18:00 - [24] Originally by: dosperado Seems to be something wrong with faction ship offers......I should have known that... The other strange thing is that the agent requests a bunch of NPC tags which you can loot from 8-17.5k NPC's (lvl2 missions e.g.). But my agent is a lvl4 agent and why the hell he doesn't request palladium or gold tags which you can get in those missions. I had to switch back to lvl2 missions to get those tags (really annoying) and wasted a lot of time only to realize now that I cant get the last missing tag because that faction ship offer is borked. I am Well, the offers aren't agent level based, so the frigates require tags acquire from frigate npcs most of the time. Once the deadspace npcs actually start dropping tags, they will become less of a problem.
dosperado	Posted - 2004.12.23 12:39:00 - [25] Edited by: dosperado on 23/12/2004 12:59:14 Edited by: dosperado on 23/12/2004 12:45:16 Edited by: dosperado on 23/12/2004 12:43:48 Originally by: Zrakor This is not a mission, just an offer. If you feel that you cannot complete it, simply decline the offer. You will never recieve bookmarks to the spawn point of these npcs through the offer, we do not expect you to complete it, it's purely optional. That said, we decided to enable the ship offers even though some of them are currently pretty much uncompletable to due the tag not being available till the patch in early or mid January. This atleast gives you a hint at what the offer costs and what you need to get to complete it. You will most likely recieve the offer again some time down the line, if you haven't spent too many Loyalty Points that is. omg I can't believe it! Then you should tell the players that they don't need to WASTE their time getting all those tags together and they better should decline those factions ship offers instantly (because of that one missing tag). Just a little 'hint' Quote: If you feel that you cannot complete it, simply decline the offer. I FEEL that I CAN complete it, but you made it impossible to complete. It's not my fault that this mission is uncompletable. ____________________ CEO Denial of Service NPC Mass Murderer \| Security Status 6.4
dosperado	Posted - 2004.12.23 12:39:00 - [26] Edited by: dosperado on 23/12/2004 12:59:14 Edited by: dosperado on 23/12/2004 12:45:16 Edited by: dosperado on 23/12/2004 12:43:48 Originally by: Zrakor This is not a mission, just an offer. If you feel that you cannot complete it, simply decline the offer. You will never recieve bookmarks to the spawn point of these npcs through the offer, we do not expect you to complete it, it's purely optional. That said, we decided to enable the ship offers even though some of them are currently pretty much uncompletable to due the tag not being available till the patch in early or mid January. This atleast gives you a hint at what the offer costs and what you need to get to complete it. You will most likely recieve the offer again some time down the line, if you haven't spent too many Loyalty Points that is. omg I can't believe it! Then you should tell the players that they don't need to WASTE their time getting all those tags together and they better should decline those factions ship offers instantly (because of that one missing tag). Just a little 'hint' Quote: If you feel that you cannot complete it, simply decline the offer. I FEEL that I CAN complete it, but you made it impossible to complete. It's not my fault that this mission is uncompletable. ____________________ CEO Denial of Service NPC Mass Murderer \| Security Status 6.4
Arthur Guinness	Posted - 2004.12.23 12:41:00 - [27] Originally by: Zrakor Well, the offers aren't agent level based, so the frigates require tags acquire from frigate npcs most of the time. Once the deadspace npcs actually start dropping tags, they will become less of a problem. Is there two different settings for faction tags required in offers and faction you have to kill? I get more ammatar than amarr kill missions however i only seem to have gotten amarr offers. It's just a detail i am courious about, nothing major as i got 1000s of tags anyway Happy xmas and thanks for taking care of the major agent woes shiva brought us!
Arthur Guinness	Posted - 2004.12.23 12:41:00 - [28] Originally by: Zrakor Well, the offers aren't agent level based, so the frigates require tags acquire from frigate npcs most of the time. Once the deadspace npcs actually start dropping tags, they will become less of a problem. Is there two different settings for faction tags required in offers and faction you have to kill? I get more ammatar than amarr kill missions however i only seem to have gotten amarr offers. It's just a detail i am courious about, nothing major as i got 1000s of tags anyway Happy xmas and thanks for taking care of the major agent woes shiva brought us!
dosperado	Posted - 2004.12.23 12:48:00 - [29] Edited by: dosperado on 23/12/2004 12:48:16 And Zrakor... could you please tell us which offers are uncompletable so that many players will save A LOT OF TIME flying around trying to collect useless tags ____________________ CEO Denial of Service NPC Mass Murderer \| Security Status 6.4
dosperado	Posted - 2004.12.23 12:48:00 - [30] Edited by: dosperado on 23/12/2004 12:48:16 And Zrakor... could you please tell us which offers are uncompletable so that many players will save A LOT OF TIME flying around trying to collect useless tags ____________________ CEO Denial of Service NPC Mass Murderer \| Security Status 6.4

dosperado	Posted - 2004.12.23 13:23:00 - [31] I am still waiting for Imai Kenon's tag. Can't see it in my hangar ____________________ CEO Denial of Service NPC Mass Murderer \| Security Status 6.4
dosperado	Posted - 2004.12.23 13:23:00 - [32] I am still waiting for Imai Kenon's tag. Can't see it in my hangar ____________________ CEO Denial of Service NPC Mass Murderer \| Security Status 6.4
Zrakor	Posted - 2004.12.23 13:24:00 - [33] Edited by: Zrakor on 23/12/2004 13:24:38 Originally by: Arthur Guinness Originally by: Zrakor Well, the offers aren't agent level based, so the frigates require tags acquire from frigate npcs most of the time. Once the deadspace npcs actually start dropping tags, they will become less of a problem. Is there two different settings for faction tags required in offers and faction you have to kill? I get more ammatar than amarr kill missions however i only seem to have gotten amarr offers. It's just a detail i am courious about, nothing major as i got 1000s of tags anyway Happy xmas and thanks for taking care of the major agent woes shiva brought us! You do not neccessarily get offers for the npcs your agent sends you to kill, no. But we will be adding in market demand for them in pirate space (the navy tags that is). The intention is also to nudge people into trading the tags, instead of always using them with the same agent. And a merry xmas to you too .
Zrakor	Posted - 2004.12.23 13:24:00 - [34] Edited by: Zrakor on 23/12/2004 13:24:38 Originally by: Arthur Guinness Originally by: Zrakor Well, the offers aren't agent level based, so the frigates require tags acquire from frigate npcs most of the time. Once the deadspace npcs actually start dropping tags, they will become less of a problem. Is there two different settings for faction tags required in offers and faction you have to kill? I get more ammatar than amarr kill missions however i only seem to have gotten amarr offers. It's just a detail i am courious about, nothing major as i got 1000s of tags anyway Happy xmas and thanks for taking care of the major agent woes shiva brought us! You do not neccessarily get offers for the npcs your agent sends you to kill, no. But we will be adding in market demand for them in pirate space (the navy tags that is). The intention is also to nudge people into trading the tags, instead of always using them with the same agent. And a merry xmas to you too .
Zrakor	Posted - 2004.12.23 13:30:00 - [35] Originally by: dosperado Then you should tell the players that they don't need to WASTE their time getting all those tags together and they better should decline those factions ship offers instantly (because of that one missing tag). I'm sorry if you feel that way. Acquiring those tags will probably not be in vain though, you will most likely recieve the same offer after the next patch sometime down the line, and then all you need to do is acquire the one missing tag.
Zrakor	Posted - 2004.12.23 13:30:00 - [36] Originally by: dosperado Then you should tell the players that they don't need to WASTE their time getting all those tags together and they better should decline those factions ship offers instantly (because of that one missing tag). I'm sorry if you feel that way. Acquiring those tags will probably not be in vain though, you will most likely recieve the same offer after the next patch sometime down the line, and then all you need to do is acquire the one missing tag.
Black Moses	Posted - 2004.12.23 13:36:00 - [37] Originally by: Zrakor This is not a mission, just an offer. If you feel that you cannot complete it, simply decline the offer. You will never recieve bookmarks to the spawn point of these npcs through the offer, we do not expect you to complete it, it's purely optional. That said, we decided to enable the ship offers even though some of them are currently pretty much uncompletable to due the tag not being available till the patch in early or mid January. This atleast gives you a hint at what the offer costs and what you need to get to complete it. You will most likely recieve the offer again some time down the line, if you haven't spent too many Loyalty Points that is. Sorry to say this Zrakor... But this is just stupid... /me nominates this as quote of the year ...
Black Moses	Posted - 2004.12.23 13:36:00 - [38] Originally by: Zrakor This is not a mission, just an offer. If you feel that you cannot complete it, simply decline the offer. You will never recieve bookmarks to the spawn point of these npcs through the offer, we do not expect you to complete it, it's purely optional. That said, we decided to enable the ship offers even though some of them are currently pretty much uncompletable to due the tag not being available till the patch in early or mid January. This atleast gives you a hint at what the offer costs and what you need to get to complete it. You will most likely recieve the offer again some time down the line, if you haven't spent too many Loyalty Points that is. Sorry to say this Zrakor... But this is just stupid... /me nominates this as quote of the year ...
Sternburg Export	Posted - 2004.12.23 13:36:00 - [39] Originally by: Black Moses Originally by: Zrakor This is not a mission, just an offer. If you feel that you cannot complete it, simply decline the offer. You will never recieve bookmarks to the spawn point of these npcs through the offer, we do not expect you to complete it, it's purely optional. That said, we decided to enable the ship offers even though some of them are currently pretty much uncompletable to due the tag not being available till the patch in early or mid January. This atleast gives you a hint at what the offer costs and what you need to get to complete it. You will most likely recieve the offer again some time down the line, if you haven't spent too many Loyalty Points that is. Sorry to say this Zrakor... But this is just stupid... /me nominates this as quote of the year Sry wrong char... It¦s me ____________________________ [ 2005.03.31 20:53:50 ] (mining) Your Basic Miner perfectly strikes Veldspar Roid, wrecking for 20 Ore units.
Sternburg Export	Posted - 2004.12.23 13:36:00 - [40] Originally by: Black Moses Originally by: Zrakor This is not a mission, just an offer. If you feel that you cannot complete it, simply decline the offer. You will never recieve bookmarks to the spawn point of these npcs through the offer, we do not expect you to complete it, it's purely optional. That said, we decided to enable the ship offers even though some of them are currently pretty much uncompletable to due the tag not being available till the patch in early or mid January. This atleast gives you a hint at what the offer costs and what you need to get to complete it. You will most likely recieve the offer again some time down the line, if you haven't spent too many Loyalty Points that is. Sorry to say this Zrakor... But this is just stupid... /me nominates this as quote of the year Sry wrong char... It¦s me ____________________________ [ 2005.03.31 20:53:50 ] (mining) Your Basic Miner perfectly strikes Veldspar Roid, wrecking for 20 Ore units.

Grey Area	Posted - 2004.12.23 13:41:00 - [41] Great. Offers that you can't complete. Contraband that you can't smuggle. Deadspace zones that slow your ship to a crawl (I actually preferred it when the ships in there WERE'NT dropping cargo - at least I didn't have to schlep around picking it all up). Why are CCP actively working to make their own game so totally, thoroughly pointless? And sorry, but to use the excuse that it was "left in to give a flavour of what would be required" just sounds like a big cover up for "we couldn't be arsed to take it out so left it in even though only half of it works". I don't normally whine, honest, but this patch just seems to have been so rushed and half finished. ========================================= * I'm ALLOWED to cheat. I'm a STARSHIP. * =========================================
Grey Area	Posted - 2004.12.23 13:41:00 - [42] Great. Offers that you can't complete. Contraband that you can't smuggle. Deadspace zones that slow your ship to a crawl (I actually preferred it when the ships in there WERE'NT dropping cargo - at least I didn't have to schlep around picking it all up). Why are CCP actively working to make their own game so totally, thoroughly pointless? And sorry, but to use the excuse that it was "left in to give a flavour of what would be required" just sounds like a big cover up for "we couldn't be arsed to take it out so left it in even though only half of it works". I don't normally whine, honest, but this patch just seems to have been so rushed and half finished. ========================================= * I'm ALLOWED to cheat. I'm a STARSHIP. * =========================================
Arthur Guinness	Posted - 2004.12.23 13:50:00 - [43] Originally by: Zrakor Originally by: dosperado Then you should tell the players that they don't need to WASTE their time getting all those tags together and they better should decline those factions ship offers instantly (because of that one missing tag). I'm sorry if you feel that way. Acquiring those tags will probably not be in vain though, you will most likely recieve the same offer after the next patch sometime down the line, and then all you need to do is acquire the one missing tag. I'll try and go to amarr with Arthura to trade dog tags, -4 sec rating and -6 amarr/ammatar/khanid might make it difficult tough ;) (Do you know if diplomacy works with the faction police/sentryguns/concord?) Good to try to encourage player item trading, we'll see how it works out. I am afraid tough that this will result in rip off prices, making most offers unreasonable. Btw, to further encourage trade, how about disabling all drug drops in empire? Only having them drop/being sold by pirate factions in 0.0 would raise their value, maybe to a point where people are willing to setup trades for them. (Lowering their volume might be required tough, some are just huge) I get the feeling, that the more valuable stuff you get doing something, the more people will do that. might work, might only **** people off and make me rich tough.
Arthur Guinness	Posted - 2004.12.23 13:50:00 - [44] Originally by: Zrakor Originally by: dosperado Then you should tell the players that they don't need to WASTE their time getting all those tags together and they better should decline those factions ship offers instantly (because of that one missing tag). I'm sorry if you feel that way. Acquiring those tags will probably not be in vain though, you will most likely recieve the same offer after the next patch sometime down the line, and then all you need to do is acquire the one missing tag. I'll try and go to amarr with Arthura to trade dog tags, -4 sec rating and -6 amarr/ammatar/khanid might make it difficult tough ;) (Do you know if diplomacy works with the faction police/sentryguns/concord?) Good to try to encourage player item trading, we'll see how it works out. I am afraid tough that this will result in rip off prices, making most offers unreasonable. Btw, to further encourage trade, how about disabling all drug drops in empire? Only having them drop/being sold by pirate factions in 0.0 would raise their value, maybe to a point where people are willing to setup trades for them. (Lowering their volume might be required tough, some are just huge) I get the feeling, that the more valuable stuff you get doing something, the more people will do that. might work, might only **** people off and make me rich tough.
dosperado	Posted - 2004.12.23 14:12:00 - [45] My offer is valid until 28.12. Maybe one of the GM's puts that missing tag into my hangar as a x-mas gift on 24.12. My only goal in this game is to work hard to get those faction ships. I don't need any other ships. I don't need any isk. I dont need any other rewards. My security status is 5.1 (maybe the highest a player ever reached after castor) Yes I am a carebear Those faction ships are the only motivation for players who have all you could reach in that game. So where is my motivation now? I can't see it. ____________________ CEO Denial of Service NPC Mass Murderer \| Security Status 6.4
dosperado	Posted - 2004.12.23 14:12:00 - [46] My offer is valid until 28.12. Maybe one of the GM's puts that missing tag into my hangar as a x-mas gift on 24.12. My only goal in this game is to work hard to get those faction ships. I don't need any other ships. I don't need any isk. I dont need any other rewards. My security status is 5.1 (maybe the highest a player ever reached after castor) Yes I am a carebear Those faction ships are the only motivation for players who have all you could reach in that game. So where is my motivation now? I can't see it. ____________________ CEO Denial of Service NPC Mass Murderer \| Security Status 6.4
chillz	Posted - 2004.12.23 14:18:00 - [47] You could just wait until the January patch. It may be 3/4 weeks away but just thank god you are not Minmatar. We've been waiting for our guns to be fixed for months. You never know, by that time your loyalty points may be high enough for you agent to offer you an even better ship. Patience is a good thing. ----------------------------------- A gun and a packet of sandwiches. "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S Thompson
chillz	Posted - 2004.12.23 14:18:00 - [48] You could just wait until the January patch. It may be 3/4 weeks away but just thank god you are not Minmatar. We've been waiting for our guns to be fixed for months. You never know, by that time your loyalty points may be high enough for you agent to offer you an even better ship. Patience is a good thing. ----------------------------------- A gun and a packet of sandwiches. "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S Thompson
dosperado	Posted - 2004.12.23 14:25:00 - [49] Yes maybe I get an offer of a better faction ship...Again with Named NPC tags that are impossible to get ;) ____________________ CEO Denial of Service NPC Mass Murderer \| Security Status 6.4
dosperado	Posted - 2004.12.23 14:25:00 - [50] Yes maybe I get an offer of a better faction ship...Again with Named NPC tags that are impossible to get ;) ____________________ CEO Denial of Service NPC Mass Murderer \| Security Status 6.4

Arthur Guinness	Posted - 2004.12.23 14:27:00 - [51] Originally by: dosperado Yes maybe I get an offer of a better faction ship...Again with Named NPC tags that are impossible to get ;) Be happy he didn't ask for an officer tag :P I can already see it, Amarr agents asking for a Chelm Soran tag for a nayv apoc ;)
Arthur Guinness	Posted - 2004.12.23 14:27:00 - [52] Originally by: dosperado Yes maybe I get an offer of a better faction ship...Again with Named NPC tags that are impossible to get ;) Be happy he didn't ask for an officer tag :P I can already see it, Amarr agents asking for a Chelm Soran tag for a nayv apoc ;)
j0sephine	Posted - 2004.12.23 15:53:00 - [53] "I'm sorry if you feel that way. Acquiring those tags will probably not be in vain though, you will most likely recieve the same offer after the next patch sometime down the line, and then all you need to do is acquire the one missing tag." ... Wouldn't that require him to pretty much not do anything for that particular agent until "after the next patch sometime down the line", since doing anything will result in change of Loyalty Points and consequently enable different, 'better' offers?
j0sephine	Posted - 2004.12.23 15:53:00 - [54] "I'm sorry if you feel that way. Acquiring those tags will probably not be in vain though, you will most likely recieve the same offer after the next patch sometime down the line, and then all you need to do is acquire the one missing tag." ... Wouldn't that require him to pretty much not do anything for that particular agent until "after the next patch sometime down the line", since doing anything will result in change of Loyalty Points and consequently enable different, 'better' offers?
dosperado	Posted - 2004.12.23 16:00:00 - [55] Edited by: dosperado on 23/12/2004 16:19:03 Edited by: dosperado on 23/12/2004 16:18:19 Edited by: dosperado on 23/12/2004 16:05:23 Originally by: j0sephine "I'm sorry if you feel that way. Acquiring those tags will probably not be in vain though, you will most likely recieve the same offer after the next patch sometime down the line, and then all you need to do is acquire the one missing tag." ... Wouldn't that require him to pretty much not do anything for that particular agent until "after the next patch sometime down the line", since doing anything will result in change of Loyalty Points and consequently enable different, 'better' offers? right, I have to stop doing missions for that agent until january to get that offer again but I don't want to wait for a 'better' offer, I want the offer I actually have I would not get that offer again with higher LP ____________________ CEO Denial of Service NPC Mass Murderer \| Security Status 6.4
dosperado	Posted - 2004.12.23 16:00:00 - [56] Edited by: dosperado on 23/12/2004 16:19:03 Edited by: dosperado on 23/12/2004 16:18:19 Edited by: dosperado on 23/12/2004 16:05:23 Originally by: j0sephine "I'm sorry if you feel that way. Acquiring those tags will probably not be in vain though, you will most likely recieve the same offer after the next patch sometime down the line, and then all you need to do is acquire the one missing tag." ... Wouldn't that require him to pretty much not do anything for that particular agent until "after the next patch sometime down the line", since doing anything will result in change of Loyalty Points and consequently enable different, 'better' offers? right, I have to stop doing missions for that agent until january to get that offer again but I don't want to wait for a 'better' offer, I want the offer I actually have I would not get that offer again with higher LP ____________________ CEO Denial of Service NPC Mass Murderer \| Security Status 6.4
Zrakor	Posted - 2004.12.23 16:15:00 - [57] Originally by: dosperado Originally by: j0sephine "I'm sorry if you feel that way. Acquiring those tags will probably not be in vain though, you will most likely recieve the same offer after the next patch sometime down the line, and then all you need to do is acquire the one missing tag." ... Wouldn't that require him to pretty much not do anything for that particular agent until "after the next patch sometime down the line", since doing anything will result in change of Loyalty Points and consequently enable different, 'better' offers? right, I have to stop doing missions for that agent until january to get that offer again I would not get that offer again with higher LP You would need considerably higher LP for the offer to stop being dished out to you, but there also is another very similar offer (requiring a few more tags but pretty much the same types and quite a few more LP points) for a 5 run bpc. I seriously doubt you will be able to acquire so many LP's before the next patch that this offer becomes redundant, and if you do you should not find it overly difficult to acquire these points all over again when you have finally found the missing tag.
Zrakor	Posted - 2004.12.23 16:15:00 - [58] Originally by: dosperado Originally by: j0sephine "I'm sorry if you feel that way. Acquiring those tags will probably not be in vain though, you will most likely recieve the same offer after the next patch sometime down the line, and then all you need to do is acquire the one missing tag." ... Wouldn't that require him to pretty much not do anything for that particular agent until "after the next patch sometime down the line", since doing anything will result in change of Loyalty Points and consequently enable different, 'better' offers? right, I have to stop doing missions for that agent until january to get that offer again I would not get that offer again with higher LP You would need considerably higher LP for the offer to stop being dished out to you, but there also is another very similar offer (requiring a few more tags but pretty much the same types and quite a few more LP points) for a 5 run bpc. I seriously doubt you will be able to acquire so many LP's before the next patch that this offer becomes redundant, and if you do you should not find it overly difficult to acquire these points all over again when you have finally found the missing tag.
dosperado	Posted - 2004.12.23 16:27:00 - [59] Edited by: dosperado on 23/12/2004 16:33:47 Originally by: Zrakor Originally by: dosperado Originally by: j0sephine "I'm sorry if you feel that way. Acquiring those tags will probably not be in vain though, you will most likely recieve the same offer after the next patch sometime down the line, and then all you need to do is acquire the one missing tag." ... Wouldn't that require him to pretty much not do anything for that particular agent until "after the next patch sometime down the line", since doing anything will result in change of Loyalty Points and consequently enable different, 'better' offers? right, I have to stop doing missions for that agent until january to get that offer again I would not get that offer again with higher LP You would need considerably higher LP for the offer to stop being dished out to you, but there also is another very similar offer (requiring a few more tags but pretty much the same types and quite a few more LP points) for a 5 run bpc. I seriously doubt you will be able to acquire so many LP's before the next patch that this offer becomes redundant, and if you do you should not find it overly difficult to acquire these points all over again when you have finally found the missing tag. ehhm, you know that npc in lvl4 missions dont drop those tags: Dread Guristas Silver Tag Guristas Bronze Tag Guristas Silver Tag It was really painful to get them, so what should I do If he requires many more for a better offer? Should I go back to lvl2 missions until middle of january?? nahh I don't want to kill 8k Guristas Arrogators or 17,5k Demolishers for days to get those tags. ____________________ CEO Denial of Service NPC Mass Murderer \| Security Status 6.4
dosperado	Posted - 2004.12.23 16:27:00 - [60] Edited by: dosperado on 23/12/2004 16:33:47 Originally by: Zrakor Originally by: dosperado Originally by: j0sephine "I'm sorry if you feel that way. Acquiring those tags will probably not be in vain though, you will most likely recieve the same offer after the next patch sometime down the line, and then all you need to do is acquire the one missing tag." ... Wouldn't that require him to pretty much not do anything for that particular agent until "after the next patch sometime down the line", since doing anything will result in change of Loyalty Points and consequently enable different, 'better' offers? right, I have to stop doing missions for that agent until january to get that offer again I would not get that offer again with higher LP You would need considerably higher LP for the offer to stop being dished out to you, but there also is another very similar offer (requiring a few more tags but pretty much the same types and quite a few more LP points) for a 5 run bpc. I seriously doubt you will be able to acquire so many LP's before the next patch that this offer becomes redundant, and if you do you should not find it overly difficult to acquire these points all over again when you have finally found the missing tag. ehhm, you know that npc in lvl4 missions dont drop those tags: Dread Guristas Silver Tag Guristas Bronze Tag Guristas Silver Tag It was really painful to get them, so what should I do If he requires many more for a better offer? Should I go back to lvl2 missions until middle of january?? nahh I don't want to kill 8k Guristas Arrogators or 17,5k Demolishers for days to get those tags. ____________________ CEO Denial of Service NPC Mass Murderer \| Security Status 6.4

Zrakor	Posted - 2004.12.23 16:42:00 - [61] Originally by: dosperado Edited by: dosperado on 23/12/2004 16:33:47 Originally by: Zrakor Originally by: dosperado Originally by: j0sephine "I'm sorry if you feel that way. Acquiring those tags will probably not be in vain though, you will most likely recieve the same offer after the next patch sometime down the line, and then all you need to do is acquire the one missing tag." ... Wouldn't that require him to pretty much not do anything for that particular agent until "after the next patch sometime down the line", since doing anything will result in change of Loyalty Points and consequently enable different, 'better' offers? right, I have to stop doing missions for that agent until january to get that offer again I would not get that offer again with higher LP You would need considerably higher LP for the offer to stop being dished out to you, but there also is another very similar offer (requiring a few more tags but pretty much the same types and quite a few more LP points) for a 5 run bpc. I seriously doubt you will be able to acquire so many LP's before the next patch that this offer becomes redundant, and if you do you should not find it overly difficult to acquire these points all over again when you have finally found the missing tag. ehhm, you know that npc in lvl4 missions dont drop those tags: Dread Guristas Silver Tag Guristas Bronze Tag Guristas Silver Tag It was really painful to get them, so what should I do If he requires many more for a better offer? Should I go back to lvl2 missions until middle of january?? nahh I don't want to kill 8k Guristas Arrogators or 17,5k Demolishers for days to get those tags. Either buy them from someone else then or wait for a battleship offer . I'm sorry for your pain but there is nothing I can do to reimburse because of a broken offer. That is purely a GM issue.
Zrakor	Posted - 2004.12.23 16:42:00 - [62] Originally by: dosperado Edited by: dosperado on 23/12/2004 16:33:47 Originally by: Zrakor Originally by: dosperado Originally by: j0sephine "I'm sorry if you feel that way. Acquiring those tags will probably not be in vain though, you will most likely recieve the same offer after the next patch sometime down the line, and then all you need to do is acquire the one missing tag." ... Wouldn't that require him to pretty much not do anything for that particular agent until "after the next patch sometime down the line", since doing anything will result in change of Loyalty Points and consequently enable different, 'better' offers? right, I have to stop doing missions for that agent until january to get that offer again I would not get that offer again with higher LP You would need considerably higher LP for the offer to stop being dished out to you, but there also is another very similar offer (requiring a few more tags but pretty much the same types and quite a few more LP points) for a 5 run bpc. I seriously doubt you will be able to acquire so many LP's before the next patch that this offer becomes redundant, and if you do you should not find it overly difficult to acquire these points all over again when you have finally found the missing tag. ehhm, you know that npc in lvl4 missions dont drop those tags: Dread Guristas Silver Tag Guristas Bronze Tag Guristas Silver Tag It was really painful to get them, so what should I do If he requires many more for a better offer? Should I go back to lvl2 missions until middle of january?? nahh I don't want to kill 8k Guristas Arrogators or 17,5k Demolishers for days to get those tags. Either buy them from someone else then or wait for a battleship offer . I'm sorry for your pain but there is nothing I can do to reimburse because of a broken offer. That is purely a GM issue.
dosperado	Posted - 2004.12.23 16:47:00 - [63] k, no problem GM can't help me either Merry X-Mas ;) ____________________ CEO Denial of Service NPC Mass Murderer \| Security Status 6.4
dosperado	Posted - 2004.12.23 16:47:00 - [64] k, no problem GM can't help me either Merry X-Mas ;) ____________________ CEO Denial of Service NPC Mass Murderer \| Security Status 6.4
Zrakor	Posted - 2004.12.23 16:48:00 - [65] Originally by: Black Moses Originally by: Zrakor This is not a mission, just an offer. If you feel that you cannot complete it, simply decline the offer. You will never recieve bookmarks to the spawn point of these npcs through the offer, we do not expect you to complete it, it's purely optional. That said, we decided to enable the ship offers even though some of them are currently pretty much uncompletable to due the tag not being available till the patch in early or mid January. This atleast gives you a hint at what the offer costs and what you need to get to complete it. You will most likely recieve the offer again some time down the line, if you haven't spent too many Loyalty Points that is. Sorry to say this Zrakor... But this is just stupid... /me nominates this as quote of the year Well, in our defense players weren't supposed to get these offers till now (which is the case), and these npcs were supposed to be released before the 24th. Due to delays they couldn't be released until the next patch in january, so we faced the decision to either keep the offers enabled or disable them. Since some players had already recieved some of these offers, disabling them would cause their agent to become bugged, so we chose to keep them enabled. Declining an offer has no penalty, and in my oppinion (from a player perspective) I would rather see the offer I've been looking for (aka faction ship) and know c.a. what I need to acquire it, than pass it LP wise and never see it (if it were implemented months after release when I would have amassed so many LP points that I were to surpass it).
Zrakor	Posted - 2004.12.23 16:48:00 - [66] Originally by: Black Moses Originally by: Zrakor This is not a mission, just an offer. If you feel that you cannot complete it, simply decline the offer. You will never recieve bookmarks to the spawn point of these npcs through the offer, we do not expect you to complete it, it's purely optional. That said, we decided to enable the ship offers even though some of them are currently pretty much uncompletable to due the tag not being available till the patch in early or mid January. This atleast gives you a hint at what the offer costs and what you need to get to complete it. You will most likely recieve the offer again some time down the line, if you haven't spent too many Loyalty Points that is. Sorry to say this Zrakor... But this is just stupid... /me nominates this as quote of the year Well, in our defense players weren't supposed to get these offers till now (which is the case), and these npcs were supposed to be released before the 24th. Due to delays they couldn't be released until the next patch in january, so we faced the decision to either keep the offers enabled or disable them. Since some players had already recieved some of these offers, disabling them would cause their agent to become bugged, so we chose to keep them enabled. Declining an offer has no penalty, and in my oppinion (from a player perspective) I would rather see the offer I've been looking for (aka faction ship) and know c.a. what I need to acquire it, than pass it LP wise and never see it (if it were implemented months after release when I would have amassed so many LP points that I were to surpass it).
j0sephine	Posted - 2004.12.23 17:00:00 - [67] "I seriously doubt you will be able to acquire so many LP's before the next patch that this offer becomes redundant, and if you do you should not find it overly difficult to acquire these points all over again when you have finally found the missing tag." Well, guess it depends on agent, but acquiring 75k points would take me approx. anywhere between 2-4 weeks of daily play, if i did nothing but agent missions during that time... while not overly difficult, it's not as much of a breeze as you make it sound. -.^ Zrakor, if you're already responding to the thread about the silliness of some offers... those contrabands offers that agents seem to be fond of dishing out at the moment... are they intended to be such imposible-to-complete-with-anything-but-money-loss-and-standing-hit pain in the rear as they are, or is there something to them that i'm overlooking? ^^;;
j0sephine	Posted - 2004.12.23 17:00:00 - [68] "I seriously doubt you will be able to acquire so many LP's before the next patch that this offer becomes redundant, and if you do you should not find it overly difficult to acquire these points all over again when you have finally found the missing tag." Well, guess it depends on agent, but acquiring 75k points would take me approx. anywhere between 2-4 weeks of daily play, if i did nothing but agent missions during that time... while not overly difficult, it's not as much of a breeze as you make it sound. -.^ Zrakor, if you're already responding to the thread about the silliness of some offers... those contrabands offers that agents seem to be fond of dishing out at the moment... are they intended to be such imposible-to-complete-with-anything-but-money-loss-and-standing-hit pain in the rear as they are, or is there something to them that i'm overlooking? ^^;;
Zrakor	Posted - 2004.12.23 17:20:00 - [69] Originally by: j0sephine "I seriously doubt you will be able to acquire so many LP's before the next patch that this offer becomes redundant, and if you do you should not find it overly difficult to acquire these points all over again when you have finally found the missing tag." Well, guess it depends on agent, but acquiring 75k points would take me approx. anywhere between 2-4 weeks of daily play, if i did nothing but agent missions during that time... while not overly difficult, it's not as much of a breeze as you make it sound. -.^ Zrakor, if you're already responding to the thread about the silliness of some offers... those contrabands offers that agents seem to be fond of dishing out at the moment... are they intended to be such imposible-to-complete-with-anything-but-money-loss-and-standing-hit pain in the rear as they are, or is there something to them that i'm overlooking? ^^;; They are intended to be difficult yes, but not impossible. The customs officials are not implemented through the agent system, so if they are making smuggling the contraband almost impossible then I would say they need some tuning. I admit though, some of the offers are quite silly (being pre-nerfed as they were), and there is a large amount of changes to the offers coming in the next patch. I'd upload the changes to TQ right now if I could but unfortunately it has to wait till everything else (non-agent related stuff) is ready for the patch .
Zrakor	Posted - 2004.12.23 17:20:00 - [70] Originally by: j0sephine "I seriously doubt you will be able to acquire so many LP's before the next patch that this offer becomes redundant, and if you do you should not find it overly difficult to acquire these points all over again when you have finally found the missing tag." Well, guess it depends on agent, but acquiring 75k points would take me approx. anywhere between 2-4 weeks of daily play, if i did nothing but agent missions during that time... while not overly difficult, it's not as much of a breeze as you make it sound. -.^ Zrakor, if you're already responding to the thread about the silliness of some offers... those contrabands offers that agents seem to be fond of dishing out at the moment... are they intended to be such imposible-to-complete-with-anything-but-money-loss-and-standing-hit pain in the rear as they are, or is there something to them that i'm overlooking? ^^;; They are intended to be difficult yes, but not impossible. The customs officials are not implemented through the agent system, so if they are making smuggling the contraband almost impossible then I would say they need some tuning. I admit though, some of the offers are quite silly (being pre-nerfed as they were), and there is a large amount of changes to the offers coming in the next patch. I'd upload the changes to TQ right now if I could but unfortunately it has to wait till everything else (non-agent related stuff) is ready for the patch .

Trader Klyde	Posted - 2004.12.23 17:31:00 - [71] Having said that, are the changes currently on Sisi? If so, I'd be happy to check them out. ________________________________________________ From deep in space where nobody hears my screams... Sometimes in fear, sometimes in anger, mostly just my singing style.
Trader Klyde	Posted - 2004.12.23 17:31:00 - [72] Having said that, are the changes currently on Sisi? If so, I'd be happy to check them out. ________________________________________________ From deep in space where nobody hears my screams... Sometimes in fear, sometimes in anger, mostly just my singing style.
j0sephine	Posted - 2004.12.23 17:43:00 - [73] "They are intended to be difficult yes, but not impossible. The customs officials are not implemented through the agent system, so if they are making smuggling the contraband almost impossible then I would say they need some tuning." Well, the customs seem to be hanging around all 0.5+ systems so any agent located in these systems that asks for contraband is for all practical means trying to rip the player off. ^^ This is mainly due to how the customs agent seem to be working, though... have put more details in the thread here, no idea where it should've been posted really to get the attention of the 'right' people... ^^;;;
j0sephine	Posted - 2004.12.23 17:43:00 - [74] "They are intended to be difficult yes, but not impossible. The customs officials are not implemented through the agent system, so if they are making smuggling the contraband almost impossible then I would say they need some tuning." Well, the customs seem to be hanging around all 0.5+ systems so any agent located in these systems that asks for contraband is for all practical means trying to rip the player off. ^^ This is mainly due to how the customs agent seem to be working, though... have put more details in the thread here, no idea where it should've been posted really to get the attention of the 'right' people... ^^;;;
Zrakor	Posted - 2004.12.23 18:03:00 - [75] Originally by: Trader Klyde Having said that, are the changes currently on Sisi? If so, I'd be happy to check them out. Not sure. Some are probably, some might not be unless SiSi was updated recently.
Zrakor	Posted - 2004.12.23 18:03:00 - [76] Originally by: Trader Klyde Having said that, are the changes currently on Sisi? If so, I'd be happy to check them out. Not sure. Some are probably, some might not be unless SiSi was updated recently.
Trader Klyde	Posted - 2004.12.23 18:51:00 - [77] Thanks, I'll have a look-see... ________________________________________________ From deep in space where nobody hears my screams... Sometimes in fear, sometimes in anger, mostly just my singing style.
Trader Klyde	Posted - 2004.12.23 18:51:00 - [78] Thanks, I'll have a look-see... ________________________________________________ From deep in space where nobody hears my screams... Sometimes in fear, sometimes in anger, mostly just my singing style.
Kretin Arnon	Posted - 2004.12.23 23:58:00 - [79] Originally by: dosperado Edited by: dosperado on 23/12/2004 16:33:47 Originally by: Zrakor ... ehhm, you know that npc in lvl4 missions dont drop those tags: Dread Guristas Silver Tag Guristas Bronze Tag Guristas Silver Tag It was really painful to get them, so what should I do If he requires many more for a better offer? Should I go back to lvl2 missions until middle of january?? nahh I don't want to kill 8k Guristas Arrogators or 17,5k Demolishers for days to get those tags. It's has been long known (if you follow this forum regulary like all mission runners should do) that agent level and offers in no way are connected. This apllies good as in a level 1 agent could offer you a battleship print if you had enough loyalty points for the trade, and bad as this where a level 4 agent wants items not normally aquired on level 4 missions. Actually I had the idea that the faction frigate ships would have been attainable after a couple of hundreds level 2 missions. Same for level 3 agents and faction cruisers and level 4 agents and battleships. Not like now where a frigate is priced at 75 mill+ and perhaps good looking but not better than tech 2 ships with a lower cost. I wonder what the insurance pay out are on those ships?
Kretin Arnon	Posted - 2004.12.23 23:58:00 - [80] Originally by: dosperado Edited by: dosperado on 23/12/2004 16:33:47 Originally by: Zrakor ... ehhm, you know that npc in lvl4 missions dont drop those tags: Dread Guristas Silver Tag Guristas Bronze Tag Guristas Silver Tag It was really painful to get them, so what should I do If he requires many more for a better offer? Should I go back to lvl2 missions until middle of january?? nahh I don't want to kill 8k Guristas Arrogators or 17,5k Demolishers for days to get those tags. It's has been long known (if you follow this forum regulary like all mission runners should do) that agent level and offers in no way are connected. This apllies good as in a level 1 agent could offer you a battleship print if you had enough loyalty points for the trade, and bad as this where a level 4 agent wants items not normally aquired on level 4 missions. Actually I had the idea that the faction frigate ships would have been attainable after a couple of hundreds level 2 missions. Same for level 3 agents and faction cruisers and level 4 agents and battleships. Not like now where a frigate is priced at 75 mill+ and perhaps good looking but not better than tech 2 ships with a lower cost. I wonder what the insurance pay out are on those ships?

JP Beauregard	Posted - 2004.12.24 08:07:00 - [81] Originally by: Zrakor They [the contraband offers] are intended to be difficult yes, but not impossible. The customs officials are not implemented through the agent system, so if they are making smuggling the contraband almost impossible then I would say they need some tuning. I admit though, some of the offers are quite silly (being pre-nerfed as they were), and there is a large amount of changes to the offers coming in the next patch. I'd upload the changes to TQ right now if I could but unfortunately it has to wait till everything else (non-agent related stuff) is ready for the patch . The problem with those offers is not kind but in quantity. I have run the odd mission or two in my time cough and would most likely have 400 units of Drop. But I wouldn't have them in one location, let alone at the agent's station, and I wouldn't have them after the number of missions that result in the number of loyalty points to be exchanged as part of the offer. There are simply not enough smuggler interception missions in the same system in such a short period of time... Like the offer at the root of this discussion, the contraband offers add to the impression that the entire Exodus patch thing ****nit was thrown out there too soon (though or course much too late) with little or no coordination amongst people working on different game systems and with very little actual gameplay experience behind it. Zrakor, I perfectly understand the problem and the solution you guys chose and I appreciate your conundrum but your response to complaints about incomplete game systems is based on a false alternative: no content or broken content isn't really an acceptable choice. Perhaps you guys at CCP should for once decide that with your next patch, you will get it right the first time. Not try to, not aim to, will. In all other lines of work, THAT is generally the expectation you'll have to meet. Decide for yourselves if you are entitled to special consideration because you're only working on an entertainment product that nobody is taking all that seriously anyway.
JP Beauregard	Posted - 2004.12.24 08:07:00 - [82] Originally by: Zrakor They [the contraband offers] are intended to be difficult yes, but not impossible. The customs officials are not implemented through the agent system, so if they are making smuggling the contraband almost impossible then I would say they need some tuning. I admit though, some of the offers are quite silly (being pre-nerfed as they were), and there is a large amount of changes to the offers coming in the next patch. I'd upload the changes to TQ right now if I could but unfortunately it has to wait till everything else (non-agent related stuff) is ready for the patch . The problem with those offers is not kind but in quantity. I have run the odd mission or two in my time cough and would most likely have 400 units of Drop. But I wouldn't have them in one location, let alone at the agent's station, and I wouldn't have them after the number of missions that result in the number of loyalty points to be exchanged as part of the offer. There are simply not enough smuggler interception missions in the same system in such a short period of time... Like the offer at the root of this discussion, the contraband offers add to the impression that the entire Exodus patch thing ****nit was thrown out there too soon (though or course much too late) with little or no coordination amongst people working on different game systems and with very little actual gameplay experience behind it. Zrakor, I perfectly understand the problem and the solution you guys chose and I appreciate your conundrum but your response to complaints about incomplete game systems is based on a false alternative: no content or broken content isn't really an acceptable choice. Perhaps you guys at CCP should for once decide that with your next patch, you will get it right the first time. Not try to, not aim to, will. In all other lines of work, THAT is generally the expectation you'll have to meet. Decide for yourselves if you are entitled to special consideration because you're only working on an entertainment product that nobody is taking all that seriously anyway.
Grey Area	Posted - 2004.12.24 09:16:00 - [83] Zrakor - seeing as you seem to have a frequent presence here, could you answer this question? Since contraband missions are currently broken, and the smuggling module/skill has not been introduced, which dingbat is responsible for the decision to remove the "ship in a ship" loophole which would have actually allowed players to carry out these missions? Wouldn't it have been a better idea to leave it in until this much mentioned mid January patch (which, I hope, will contain the smuggling kit we need)? I have lost count of the number of times that major issues (defined by the number of posts on forums begging for a solution) are ignored or overlooked, the excuse being that the DEVS are too busy, only to find that some minor flaw has been tweaked, which wasn't really bothering anybody. ========================================= * I'm ALLOWED to cheat. I'm a STARSHIP. * =========================================
Grey Area	Posted - 2004.12.24 09:16:00 - [84] Zrakor - seeing as you seem to have a frequent presence here, could you answer this question? Since contraband missions are currently broken, and the smuggling module/skill has not been introduced, which dingbat is responsible for the decision to remove the "ship in a ship" loophole which would have actually allowed players to carry out these missions? Wouldn't it have been a better idea to leave it in until this much mentioned mid January patch (which, I hope, will contain the smuggling kit we need)? I have lost count of the number of times that major issues (defined by the number of posts on forums begging for a solution) are ignored or overlooked, the excuse being that the DEVS are too busy, only to find that some minor flaw has been tweaked, which wasn't really bothering anybody. ========================================= * I'm ALLOWED to cheat. I'm a STARSHIP. * =========================================
Lagar	Posted - 2004.12.27 19:22:00 - [85] however ccp.. some peeps will get Extreamly ****ed off if they se something they want and they cant get them cause they arent in game yet.. and also.. how do someone expect one to get 3000+ contraband items and make it worth it if one keep geting the fines all the time? :S
Lagar	Posted - 2004.12.27 19:22:00 - [86] however ccp.. some peeps will get Extreamly ****ed off if they se something they want and they cant get them cause they arent in game yet.. and also.. how do someone expect one to get 3000+ contraband items and make it worth it if one keep geting the fines all the time? :S
Jensen Daggett	Posted - 2004.12.28 21:21:00 - [87] What Seriously Narks me off is CCP's attitude. People Do missions to get items like Implants. When you have 5 Offers for implants in a few weeks , and they all are IMPOSSIBLE to obtain as the items requested are 1> illegal and can't be moved, 2> Not in the game at all or 3> so RARE that it is nigh on impossible to get them You get VERY VERY angry! I think if CCP had a better Customer care and said, "Ok, We screwed this up. Here is the implant" we'd not be unhappy. We HAVE the Loyalty points, We often HAVE all but 1 or two impossible items. AT the SLOW SLOW speed of CCP's Gm's/Devs You never get it resolved before the offer expires. So that means this week I lost 1 Gnome implant and one social +2 and an Int +2 aswell as a BS skill. On a Scale of 1 to 10 for being ANNOYED that makes me a 15. And the GM said "you are right to be annoyed but we'll get round to it". BUT they need to instead Say "yes we'll take the loyalty points and give you the Implant/skill/Item we offered as it is *CCP's ERROR*" as a work around. Sadly I have to say the WORST element of the Whole EVE experience is the horrendous attitude to players. It is always My fault, and not theirs, and you get treated as a Suspected Fraudster trying to deceive them. The only reason I am still here is my last Subscription was for 6 months. When That ends, I am most likely Gone. A company that values customers so little, and does so little to address things, does not deserve to get paid for it.
Jensen Daggett	Posted - 2004.12.28 21:21:00 - [88] What Seriously Narks me off is CCP's attitude. People Do missions to get items like Implants. When you have 5 Offers for implants in a few weeks , and they all are IMPOSSIBLE to obtain as the items requested are 1> illegal and can't be moved, 2> Not in the game at all or 3> so RARE that it is nigh on impossible to get them You get VERY VERY angry! I think if CCP had a better Customer care and said, "Ok, We screwed this up. Here is the implant" we'd not be unhappy. We HAVE the Loyalty points, We often HAVE all but 1 or two impossible items. AT the SLOW SLOW speed of CCP's Gm's/Devs You never get it resolved before the offer expires. So that means this week I lost 1 Gnome implant and one social +2 and an Int +2 aswell as a BS skill. On a Scale of 1 to 10 for being ANNOYED that makes me a 15. And the GM said "you are right to be annoyed but we'll get round to it". BUT they need to instead Say "yes we'll take the loyalty points and give you the Implant/skill/Item we offered as it is *CCP's ERROR*" as a work around. Sadly I have to say the WORST element of the Whole EVE experience is the horrendous attitude to players. It is always My fault, and not theirs, and you get treated as a Suspected Fraudster trying to deceive them. The only reason I am still here is my last Subscription was for 6 months. When That ends, I am most likely Gone. A company that values customers so little, and does so little to address things, does not deserve to get paid for it.
Decriss	Posted - 2004.12.31 04:25:00 - [89] Now, i did not do 1 mission since Exodus patch, and i dont intend to say all is fine and nothing is ther for nothing. Nor that i find it all perfect also BUT. I personaly think you guys are going way to hard on CCP, you are all bashing them whit what your little character doesnt get to do becaus of a bug or an error. You seem to forget some very important things. This expansion was FREE, dont give me the we pay for the game per month. Look at all the other game expansion where they add this much and they all send you to the store to pay 60$ for the expansion. Instead of doing that CCP made it a free expansion and they are working hard to correct bugs and errors. It just strikes me when i see ppl whining about how ccp does nothing for the players and its all bad and its the worse game ever. Look in mmorpg.com EvE is top rated. And for the customer support side, i can tell you by experiance, i have played 8 differant online games and CCP is by far the best in that. No they dont have a tendencie to give player the little item if the mission is near impossible to do. But what if they did, i bet you wouldnt be happy about it eighter. Simply becaus the price for your item would be lowered by the offer and demand and then you would be **ed again. If God gave everyone that asks for it the wining loto number. You would all be **ed at the nice 2$ you would win. And looks on how you posted that you had sevral mission that you couldnt complete. Now if it had been me i would be going toward doing something else then missions HELLO. When u burn ur hand on the stove u dont do it again until its cold again do ya. Do the same here and wait for em to get to it. If you think it isint going fast enought. Trade your help on coding for a free access to the game and make it go faster. You might see then it is not as easy as that to debug. Have respect for the Devs, they told you they are working on it. So do something else in the mean time and be respectfull. Its not a car you bought its a game. BTW, Devs dont let the whining community get to you, you are number 1 dev team in all the games i played. Great work!
Decriss	Posted - 2004.12.31 04:25:00 - [90] Now, i did not do 1 mission since Exodus patch, and i dont intend to say all is fine and nothing is ther for nothing. Nor that i find it all perfect also BUT. I personaly think you guys are going way to hard on CCP, you are all bashing them whit what your little character doesnt get to do becaus of a bug or an error. You seem to forget some very important things. This expansion was FREE, dont give me the we pay for the game per month. Look at all the other game expansion where they add this much and they all send you to the store to pay 60$ for the expansion. Instead of doing that CCP made it a free expansion and they are working hard to correct bugs and errors. It just strikes me when i see ppl whining about how ccp does nothing for the players and its all bad and its the worse game ever. Look in mmorpg.com EvE is top rated. And for the customer support side, i can tell you by experiance, i have played 8 differant online games and CCP is by far the best in that. No they dont have a tendencie to give player the little item if the mission is near impossible to do. But what if they did, i bet you wouldnt be happy about it eighter. Simply becaus the price for your item would be lowered by the offer and demand and then you would be **ed again. If God gave everyone that asks for it the wining loto number. You would all be **ed at the nice 2$ you would win. And looks on how you posted that you had sevral mission that you couldnt complete. Now if it had been me i would be going toward doing something else then missions HELLO. When u burn ur hand on the stove u dont do it again until its cold again do ya. Do the same here and wait for em to get to it. If you think it isint going fast enought. Trade your help on coding for a free access to the game and make it go faster. You might see then it is not as easy as that to debug. Have respect for the Devs, they told you they are working on it. So do something else in the mean time and be respectfull. Its not a car you bought its a game. BTW, Devs dont let the whining community get to you, you are number 1 dev team in all the games i played. Great work!

Hermione	Posted - 2004.12.31 16:37:00 - [91] Edited by: Hermione on 31/12/2004 16:40:21 I think You ae missing the Point jensen Made. IF as CCP's GMs Freely Admit there ARE Errors that make the offers impossible to do WHY can't they just say "if this happens, and the items aren't in the game get the others and We'll Honour the offer". In Truth ABSOLUTELY nothing! It's just their attitude. Jensen didn't say "I want a free RARE bp for 10 Loyalty Points", Just that IF they offer something, never being able to get it is frustrating and this is the way CCP want it to work, but it doesn't. Also People mission for reasons OTHER than the rewards. LIke faction standing to reduce various costs. You are assuming it is the only thing that they do. BTW I think EVE is a good game, Sadly the Customer care isn't. I;d like to see Customer care to rave about rather than being the best of a bad bunch. And the simplisitic "help them program" bit was so naff. I earn my money the way I want. They get paid to Program and provide a game thats what they want to do. Peple have a right to be annoyed when the Game Fails to work the way CCP state it will.
Hermione	Posted - 2004.12.31 16:37:00 - [92] Edited by: Hermione on 31/12/2004 16:40:21 I think You ae missing the Point jensen Made. IF as CCP's GMs Freely Admit there ARE Errors that make the offers impossible to do WHY can't they just say "if this happens, and the items aren't in the game get the others and We'll Honour the offer". In Truth ABSOLUTELY nothing! It's just their attitude. Jensen didn't say "I want a free RARE bp for 10 Loyalty Points", Just that IF they offer something, never being able to get it is frustrating and this is the way CCP want it to work, but it doesn't. Also People mission for reasons OTHER than the rewards. LIke faction standing to reduce various costs. You are assuming it is the only thing that they do. BTW I think EVE is a good game, Sadly the Customer care isn't. I;d like to see Customer care to rave about rather than being the best of a bad bunch. And the simplisitic "help them program" bit was so naff. I earn my money the way I want. They get paid to Program and provide a game thats what they want to do. Peple have a right to be annoyed when the Game Fails to work the way CCP state it will.
dosperado	Posted - 2004.12.31 16:49:00 - [93] Originally by: Decriss Now, i did not do 1 mission since Exodus patch, and i dont intend to say all is fine and nothing is ther for nothing. Miners are not allowed in the "Missions" forum. Nothing to say more about your post ____________________ CEO Denial of Service NPC Mass Murderer \| Security Status 6.4
dosperado	Posted - 2004.12.31 16:49:00 - [94] Originally by: Decriss Now, i did not do 1 mission since Exodus patch, and i dont intend to say all is fine and nothing is ther for nothing. Miners are not allowed in the "Missions" forum. Nothing to say more about your post ____________________ CEO Denial of Service NPC Mass Murderer \| Security Status 6.4
Decriss	Posted - 2005.01.01 08:48:00 - [95] First, Im not a miner hehehe and second. Yes its true you might do missions for other then the reward, if so Whats the problem :)I see why some may be frustrated but this is not a reason to simply bash them around. Do as everyone does and petition it. They know it exists and they wiull fix it eventualy, altho you might be frustrated whit the eventualy. Like all the other things in life you do have to set prioritys, maybe you dont like it some other may like it. No decision pleases everyone. Also it may not be as easy as you think to fix a certain problem, like those missions. Like the dev sayed, its not a check box to uncheck and nothing else is affected. The game systems are interdependant one based on another, if u change 1 theres bound to be a change in the reaction of the one asside it. Also yes they did say it would work a certain way, and now it doesnt. But whatever your job is, im sure your doing your best, and so are they. Let them do there job, the less u bash on them the more they can concentrate on actualy fixing the bug rather then answering angry ppl forums. Thats all realy, i dont mean to tell you how to play just expressing my opinion. As such you take it or leave it.
Spikum	Posted - 2005.01.01 13:59:00 - [96] hmm maybe you could add the line in the offer called " due to technical problems, this offer is impossible to complete" or something.
Ricdic	Posted - 2005.01.03 11:07:00 - [97] Decriss i admire your courage coming in here and defending CCP against a bunch of raging mission w***es, although i think you are a little outta your depth. Yeh it is bugged, yeh it sucks, and yeh i believe CCP is doing their best to sort out the bugs. Sure they could help people out with filling loyalty offers etc. For now how about we all assume that CCP is vigorously making it 100% , rather than losing 4 workers a week, who have to fix up 1,000 offers a week. I am sure the mission runners would prefer a 2 week hold on their offers, rather than spending 6 months sending petitions , then waiting for responses on them. BTW i am a large mission runner, according to the offers and loyalty points page one of the higher ones, so i kinda know how my fellow agent runners are feeling. Lets just petition every bug, and cross our fingers, cause whining and going off at the devs is very unlikely to help. Peace All :p
Grey Area	Posted - 2005.01.05 22:44:00 - [98] No time to fix missions. No time to restore the character section on the web site. It's a hard life being a Dev. But amongst all this, they find time to code pretty snowflakes for the login screen over Christmas. Less snowflakes, more bugfixing, please. ========================================= * I'm ALLOWED to cheat. I'm a STARSHIP. * =========================================
dosperado	Posted - 2005.01.08 02:39:00 - [99] Referring to Zrakors Post "Unattainable Mission Items "http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=139825 When I had that Caldari Navy Hookbill offer with 75k LP I wasn't able to complete that offer because of that missing Imai Kenon's Tag....and Zrakor said that I should cancel that mission. Great. I actually have about 160k LP and I never get that 1-run Caldari Navy Hookbill BPC offer again. I collecetd all required Tags but they are worthless. I dont wanna waste >= 350k LP for a 5-run Hookbill BPC So what about this solution? A GM takes of 75k LP of my 160k LP and I will give all required Tags to him except the Imai Kenon's Tag. Then he will hand out a Caldari Navy Hookbill BPC to me. IS that POSSIBLE Zrakor????? THX ____________________ CEO Denial of Service NPC Mass Murderer \| Security Status 6.4


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