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lag kills Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.08.14 06:39:00 - [1] haven't played for 2 years or more. just want to see if these fits are still valid and if the ships are flown any different nowadays. [Rifter, rifter] 200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Small Armor Repairer II Damage Control II 1MN Afterburner II Fleeting Warp Disruptor I Stasis Webifier I 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S 'Limos' Rocket Launcher I, Thorn Rocket [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [Rupture, ruppy] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Small Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M SV-2000 Assault Missile Bay, Bloodclaw Light Missile Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Bloodclaw Light Missile Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Hornet I x5 [Crow, crow] Nanofiber Internal Structure II Type-D Power Core Modification: Capacitor Power Relay Type-D Power Core Modification: Capacitor Power Relay Eutectic I Capacitor Charge Array 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Bloodclaw Light Missile Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Bloodclaw Light Missile Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Bloodclaw Light Missile [empty high slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] ___________________________ not all who wander are lost.
ShahFluffers Gallente Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.08.14 07:26:00 - [2] Active armor repping has gone somewhat defunct in the last 2 years.... at least in the context of PvP. These days, it's better to buffer tank. So in the case of that rupture fit you posted... take out the armor rep and the missile launchers. Throw on a 1600mm plate. Then throw on whatever you like (I'd recommend small neutralizers) into the "utility highs" using whatever Powergrid/CPU you have left over. With your Rifter... meh. It's a brawler (possibly solo fit if it had a scram?) fit but not one I'd use in general PvP combat. Instead, throw gyros and/or speed mods into the lows and use a MWD instead of an AB. Your Crow fit... I'm at a loss to critique it. Go to Battleclinic.com and browse the fits there. ANY of them would be better than that. _______________________ "Just because I seem like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown
Annie Anomie Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2010.08.14 07:33:00 - [3] They changed ACs so that they get more falloff generally and especially the top tier guns so if you like barrage you may now prefer 200mms. I do still see people flying the semi buffer fit. You should be aware that they buffed pirate frigates something silly and navy frigtes somewhat so beware of drams, daredevils and look at the navy firetail.
Psychotic Maniac Caldari Head Shrinkers	Posted - 2010.08.14 08:10:00 - [4] look into rigs. ccp gave us different sizes and small ones are cheap now and do wonders for you fit. -- "You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you." -John Wooden
lag kills Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.08.14 08:17:00 - [5] Originally by: ShahFluffers Active armor repping has gone somewhat defunct in the last 2 years.... at least in the context of PvP. These days, it's better to buffer tank. So in the case of that rupture fit you posted... take out the armor rep and the missile launchers. Throw on a 1600mm plate. Then throw on whatever you like (I'd recommend small neutralizers) into the "utility highs" using whatever Powergrid/CPU you have left over. With your Rifter... meh. It's a brawler (possibly solo fit if it had a scram?) fit but not one I'd use in general PvP combat. Instead, throw gyros and/or speed mods into the lows and use a MWD instead of an AB. Your Crow fit... I'm at a loss to critique it. Go to Battleclinic.com and browse the fits there. ANY of them would be better than that. yea i don't know about the crow fit. inty was the last thing i got trained before i stopped playing last and never used it in pvp. maybe it was a lot harder to be cap stable back then. i'll check out battle clinic. can you explain your rifter suggestion? i figured with these new warp scramblers, mwd on a regular frig that has to fight within 10km would be useless. would an overdrive or gyro really make up for not having a plate? Originally by: Annie Anomie Edited by: Annie Anomie on 14/08/2010 07:44:39 They changed ACs so that they get more falloff generally and especially the top tier guns so if you like barrage you may now prefer 200mms. I do still see people flying the semi buffer fit. Oh also they added different sized rigs so rigging frigs is pretty normal. Scrams got changed so they now disable MWDs. And they buffed navy/pirate frigs a lot which kinda changed the pecking order. Plated ruppy fit is still flown but I now see a lot of shield rups which are very fun to fly. Top tier ACs (for falloff), neuts, LSE buffer, MWD, Point, some combination of Gyros, TEs, nanos and a Damage control. Very quick and effective for the price. good to know on the shield rupture. by semi buffer fit are you referring to the rifter? i forgot to say that these fits would be primarily for solo pirating in low sec belts. i liked having reppers so i wouldn't have to land and repair. ___________________________ not all who wander are lost.
ElJo123 Sons Of 0din The Strangers.	Posted - 2010.08.14 08:18:00 - [6] Originally by: ShahFluffers With your Rifter... meh. It's a brawler (possibly solo fit if it had a scram?) fit but not one I'd use in general PvP combat. Instead, throw gyros and/or speed mods into the lows and use a MWD instead of an AB. What? OP fit for the rifter is pretty much the default cookie cutter setup; and that's because it works well. Especially compared to a MWDing nanofit . OP: Add projectile rigs to taste (because they're cheap and don't slow you down), and you're all good.
Intigo Amarr Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.08.14 10:10:00 - [7] Scram, not disruptor, on the Rifter. Then it's pretty cookie-cutter. I would also say a Nos is far more useful than your gimpy Rocket Launcher. ___________________
ShahFluffers Gallente Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.08.14 10:18:00 - [8] Originally by: lag kills can you explain your rifter suggestion? i figured with these new warp scramblers, mwd on a regular frig that has to fight within 10km would be useless. would an overdrive or gyro really make up for not having a plate? Well... tbh, I am kinda biased with regards to frigates in general. I kinda see them as cannonfodder (I've never had a good experience with a frigate, T2 or otherwise) and so I fit them to simply tackle, deal damage, and be expendable. With regards to your Rifter; You could "dual-prop" it... and by that I mean that you can put on an AB and a MWD so you can keep up transversal even when you have been scrammed. Webs will still ruin your day though. The other thing is (and this is based purely on my experience) that few "large" ships employ the use of scrams, preferring instead to use disruptors and/or webs. Smaller ships tend to fit scrams as they can close that distance gap very quickly with a MWD. There are exceptions to all this of course, but from what I've seen a MWD is usually more handy in more situations than an AB. With an AB you will have to be VERY selective of your target and be able to land on top of him/her so he/she doesn't get a chance to run away or kite you using their own MWD. @ElJo123... I never said the fit doesn't work well. It has its place. But it has issues closing distance with its target and keeping cap up if the fight turns into an endurance match. _______________________ "Just because I seem like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown
lag kills Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.08.14 10:59:00 - [9] Originally by: Intigo Scram, not disruptor, on the Rifter. Then it's pretty cookie-cutter. I would also say a Nos is far more useful than your gimpy Rocket Launcher. yea, i just did this and put on the damage and rate of fire rigs. so, should i stay around 5km and use barrage, or get some rep fleet emp and get as close as i can? ___________________________ not all who wander are lost.
Smabs	Posted - 2010.08.14 11:15:00 - [10] With the projectile buff you can orbit a little further with barrage, like at 7km or so and still be doing okay damage. The distance to orbit and ammo to use all depends on what you're fighting. Also these days you should carry rf emp, fusion and phased plasma so you can choose the best damage type for the situation. Those three all do the same raw amount of damage now.

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