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devilsspawn Minmatar RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.14 08:12:00 - [1] Currently, you are only able to train 1 character per account. What I am proposing, is to allow for the training of multiple characters. However, CCP has most likely done this because with the current state, if you want to train multiple characters at a time, you need multiple accounts, which means multiple subs, thus more money for CCP. What I propose, is that CCP allows us to pay a extra fee to train multiple characters per account. So the sub fee is $15 per account per month, and that allows you to train one character. What I want to see happen, is the ability to pay, say $5 or $10 more per month to train an additional character per account. So $5 or $10 per additional character. So if you wanted to train all 3 character slots, it would be $25 - $35 per month depending on how much is charged. The only snag I see, is how it would be done with PLEX's.. The solution for that, is to add a system to designate a main character per account, so the base plex gets applied to that character. Then, add another item in game similar to plex, but a little cheaper, that you use for the +1's on the account, not the main. Of course, people will say "why not just make another account", but some people don't want to have multiple accounts. The only way I can see this being abused, is if people were to mass train characters, then sell them for ISK/RL cash. But its really no harder to do now. It just requires more accounts, and a little more money than I am proposing. Either way, I think this would be a good way for CCP to make a little extra $$$ from customers, and some people may really benefit from it. Discuss..
Thoraxe Rig Gallente	Posted - 2010.08.14 08:47:00 - [2] I read the title and instantly went "No". After reading the proposal I'm leaning more towards Yes. But not entirely. The extra character training should cost less than a full account as one cannot run 2 chars off the same account (or more). However, I'm still very unsure if I'm liking this idea or if I find it a silly idea... Sorry TS. I just don't know.
ShahFluffers Gallente Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.08.14 09:37:00 - [3] Hmmm... an interesting idea. Training multiple characters on one account for what amounts to another subscription. This would allow players to diversify their character account... exploring multiple "skill tree" avenues without having to go the more roundabout method of setting up another account. I could support this if an addendum is added: multiple accounts would not be allowed per person. Withholding vote for the moment. _______________________ "Just because I seem like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown
Qoi Exert Force	Posted - 2010.08.14 09:59:00 - [4] Originally by: ShahFluffers multiple accounts would not be allowed per person. I think we found the most stupid idea in the whole eve online forum.
Antihrist Pripravnik 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.08.14 14:01:00 - [5] What you've just proposed is that CCP gives up a big chunk of their monthly profit which is not going to happen. The only way this could happen is that you must pay additional $15 per every character you want to train (a full subscription), but then again, you could already do it now with a second account. But even if they consider adding $15 per trainable character, they must do a total overhaul of: - GTCs - PLEXes - database backend - paying options - automatic credit card billing system - ... So, just create another account. It's much more easy and it doesn't waste anyone's time.
Goose99	Posted - 2010.08.14 14:23:00 - [6] Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik What you've just proposed is that CCP gives up a big chunk of their monthly profit which is not going to happen. The only way this could happen is that you must pay additional $15 per every character you want to train (a full subscription), but then again, you could already do it now with a second account. But even if they consider adding $15 per trainable character, they must do a total overhaul of: - GTCs - PLEXes - database backend - paying options - automatic credit card billing system - ... So, just create another account. It's much more easy and it doesn't waste anyone's time. Not necessarily. There should be some people out there that would pay for training more characters per account, but not willing to go as far as setting up 2nd account. There are also many (majority of multiple account holders?) who don't use their multiple accounts purely for training, but also play (dualboxing) over them. 2 chars from one account can't log on at once. If both of those groups are large enough, CCP is looking at a gain in profit, potentially a large one.
devilsspawn Minmatar RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.14 23:07:00 - [7] Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik What you've just proposed is that CCP gives up a big chunk of their monthly profit which is not going to happen. The only way this could happen is that you must pay additional $15 per every character you want to train (a full subscription), but then again, you could already do it now with a second account. But even if they consider adding $15 per trainable character, they must do a total overhaul of: - GTCs - PLEXes - database backend - paying options - automatic credit card billing system - ... So, just create another account. It's much more easy and it doesn't waste anyone's time. That is the answer I expected fro mmost people. You are right hotugh, it is just as easy to train another character on a new account. TBH, I am not exactly sure why I came up with this idea in the first place.... I still do think it is another way for CCP make money, mostly because if people want ot dual box, they use two accounts. But if they want to train say a hauler alt, they can do it on one for less money. Or if they want to say hav ea titan pilot and cap pilot on one account, and then another account with a cap pilot or sub cap pilot, they can train all of the characters at once instead of only 2.
Bhattran	Posted - 2010.08.15 00:13:00 - [8] I tentatively support the training of at most 2 characters per account at a time for an additional fee of 70-90% of current account's monthly costs to be paid as other methods are. Your example, IMO of 33% to 66%, is too cheap and would likely be very lucrative and appealing to many character farmers. If you are on a renewing sub you must choose 2 char training account and pay monthly, every 3 months, 6 months or 12 months in advance as you do now. If you choose plexes you must use the needed percentage of a plex, if it is chosen to be 70% then CCP allows you to use 70% of a plex leaving the 30% to be combined with other 30% plexes to make a 'complete' plex OR says you must use it all and 'lose' the 30% due to your payment method. Due to the nature of this I think partial plexes should not be allowed to go on the market and perhaps not even contracted. Some are horrid at math and/or won't understand what a partial plex is all assuming CCP can have a partial plex show up as the correct percentage ingame so people aren't easily fooled into thinking that they are full plexes. I'd like to be able to skill up some alts and not have my main sucking mothballs during that time but running another account to do so then paying to transfer that char back when it has had 'enough' isn't really what I'd prefer to do. -------------------------------------------------------------- The 5 minute forum time delay was a crime against humanity that CCP took forever to address.
Stick Cult Unspoken Autonomy.	Posted - 2010.08.15 04:27:00 - [9] Edited by: Stick Cult on 15/08/2010 04:28:24 I support this ~only~ if increased subscription cost is involved, as the OP says. edit: lolsupportbutton Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
Astroka	Posted - 2010.08.15 08:21:00 - [10] CCP regrets their decision to allow creation of more than one character per account as it is. To add to this, I think the main reason people make multiple accounts is to use them at the same time. For example, while one mines and jetcans, the other could haul ore from the can to the station. The whole point of only being able to train one character is to force you to specialize. Sorry, but I agree with the system currently in place.
Goose99	Posted - 2010.08.15 17:44:00 - [11] Originally by: Astroka CCP regrets their decision to allow creation of more than one character per account as it is. Considering how much money they're making off character transfers, I doubt it.
Lykouleon Trust Doesn't Rust Mostly Cookie	Posted - 2010.08.15 17:55:00 - [12] Originally by: Thoraxe Rig I read the title and instantly went "No". Quote: Aedun Sole > flying with lyk is like flying a bus filled with 5 year old children
Irae Ragwan	Posted - 2010.08.15 19:04:00 - [13] Originally by: Thoraxe Rig I read the title and instantly REGRETTED THE THREE ACCOUNTS I'VE HAD SUBBED FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS TO GET THE SAME RESULT FIXT for you. lol there's absolutely no way at this point.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.08.15 19:50:00 - [14] Originally by: Thoraxe Rig I read the title and instantly went "No". Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.08.15 20:55:00 - [15] Edited by: Akita T on 15/08/2010 20:56:05 Originally by: devilsspawn What I propose, is that CCP allows us to pay a extra fee to train multiple characters per account. So the sub fee is $15 per account per month, and that allows you to train one character. What I want to see happen, is the ability to pay, say $5 or $10 more per month to train an additional character per account. Make that 15$ per month and you might have a deal. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Stick Cult Unspoken Autonomy.	Posted - 2010.08.16 06:51:00 - [16] Edited by: Stick Cult on 16/08/2010 06:51:04 Originally by: Astroka CCP regrets their decision to allow creation of more than one character per account as it is. sauce? Quote: To add to this, I think the main reason people make multiple accounts is to use them at the same time. For example, while one mines and jetcans, the other could haul ore from the can to the station. I have 2 (sometimes 3) accounts, and I only use 2 at the same time occasionally, and of course never all 3. the reason people make multiple accounts is to train different characters for different things. Quote: The whole point of only being able to train one character is to force you to specialize. And yet people already circumvent that "forcing" by making multiple accounts. Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
Astroka	Posted - 2010.08.16 06:57:00 - [17] Edited by: Astroka on 16/08/2010 06:58:06 Originally by: Stick Cult Edited by: Stick Cult on 16/08/2010 06:51:04 Originally by: Astroka CCP regrets their decision to allow creation of more than one character per account as it is. sauce? Quote: To add to this, I think the main reason people make multiple accounts is to use them at the same time. For example, while one mines and jetcans, the other could haul ore from the can to the station. I have 2 (sometimes 3) accounts, and I only use 2 at the same time occasionally, and of course never all 3. the reason people make multiple accounts is to train different characters for different things. Quote: The whole point of only being able to train one character is to force you to specialize. And yet people already circumvent that "forcing" by making multiple accounts. My apologies...I have no sauce. If you don't want to take my word for it disregard that part of my post. I read it once but I have no recollection of where. Perhaps I should have worded that more clearly, sorry. I meant to say that it was to force each character to specialize. Though, looking back, I honestly believe I came off as a complete idiot, considering the fact that whether it's multiple accounts or multiple characters per account, each character will still be specialized. Should I pull out of this thread now and save myself the embarrassment?

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