| Pages: [1] :: one page |
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 1 post(s) |
Toovhon
   |
Posted - 2010.08.15 10:22:00 -
[1]
Can someone from CCP be upfront with us? Are things ever going to get any better? Because I'm now switching to running Eve for Windows under Boot Camp on my mid-2007 24" 2.8GHz iMac, 10.5.8, 4GB RAM. No, it's not a high end machine nowadays, but I can run WoW really well. The Quake series (using the open source ports). Portal. Team Fortress 2. Plus heaps of other Mac native games and ports. And that's the key difference - they're all REAL Mac apps.
So is there any hope? Be straight with us. We deserve that much. Or is the Mac transgaming-wrappered version of Eve destined to always be only a token effort to point to and say, 'hey - we support both major platforms!', or like the Linux version will it be left to eventually wither and die, or worse - never get any better? Because really I'd rather you killed it now that taunt us with a Mac version that _almost_ works :-(
Frog blast the vent core! |
the raver
Brutor tribe
|
Posted - 2010.08.15 12:30:00 -
[2]
I support this plea...
General all around jerk... |
|
CCP Fallout
|
Posted - 2010.08.16 16:27:00 -
[3]
We are currently testing a number of fixes for the Mac client on the Singularity server right now, and have been doing so since last week.
These are the Mac-specific changes we're currently testing:
Mac Version
ò Graphics glitches with shader set to high on ATi cards have been fixed.
ò Various crash issues have been fixed.
ò EVE Mail cache issue has been fixed.
ò Some memory leaks were found and plugged.
ò Crash reporter has been removed, it will return later after some improvements have been made.
It is our hope that these will help increase performance for Mac players.
I'm also using a 2007 Macbook Pro and also know exactly what you're going through. A number of devs also play on Apple products as well, and we work closely with Transgaming on getting our issues resolved as quickly as possible.
Fallout
Associate Community Manager
CCP Hf, EVE Online
Contact us |
|
Sauveur Bleu
|
Posted - 2010.08.16 18:51:00 -
[4]
Wow ... a reply. Bring on the fix! I'm due to renew 2 accounts and I'm thinking of passing on the renew until things are better.
|
Zedic
Amarr
Universalis Imperium
|
Posted - 2010.08.16 21:14:00 -
[5]
Hey Fallout,
THANK YOU so much for the reply!!! It sounds goofy, but hearing that you and other Dev's play on apple products makes my heart sing. It means you understand why we're so frustrated lately.
Woot Woot!! :)
"Zedic, would probably, somehow, make it all blow up." - Akima |
Toovhon
|
Posted - 2010.08.18 13:56:00 -
[6]
Well this is somewhat promising news, though really I doubt a bugfix update will solve the overriding performance issues with the Transgaming wrapper. That performance isn't a simple bug. Rather it's the result of a totally sub-optimal solution in the first place.
Nevertheless it would be nice to be able to check my mail again, and not have Eve for Mac crash and freeze when I launch it to update my skill queue (all the Mac version is good for right now, IMO).
However I am worried to hear the admittedly lousy crashreporter is going away. At least when it did occasionally work, Transgaming got SOME feedback on their terrible product. The way many CCP GMs act, I can't help thinking the extreme level of crappiness of the Mac client is still poorly understood.
Anyway - colour me a cynic, but I just don't think minor bugfixes are going to cut it, to get us a decent Mac version of Eve.
Frog blast the vent core! |
Blackthorney
|
Posted - 2010.08.18 18:45:00 -
[7]
Glad to hear that you're suffering along with us Fallout. I will say that I'm heartened to hear about the work on the Thin Client and the fact that CCP Atropos is finding and refactoring parts of the Python code that are too tightly coupled to the UI. That's the first step to getting a good abstracted design. The business logic can run anywhere, and the UI and IO can be DX or OpenGL and Cocoa.
Color me hopeful...but seeing Valve's success with their Mac efforts and last night's graphics update from Apple (pushed by Valve and others), might just get some more incentive to CCP to make the effort.
|
oemcee Tobasco
|
Posted - 2010.08.18 22:44:00 -
[8]
Update seemed to work OK for me today. However ... I still have to back out of the program like I'm walking on glass [in order to avoid Force Quit] every time I want to leave the game. Kinda lame still.
I will most likely renew my accounts, and you know why? Because this is an EXCELLENT GAME. Support for Macs will bring you nothing but good luck and more profits in the future. And we all know, profit rules.
|
Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
|
Posted - 2010.08.26 16:43:00 -
[9]
I was just curious that there is always speak about fixing the bugs (which it really does have), but what about performance? I mean this client runs like a turd. Are we somewhat close that what CAN be expected from cider? I'm currently in a situation where I need to buy a new computer and I'm just thinking if there is any point in doing so for eve. I don't like buying a 1700e machine and find out eve still runs like crap on it. IF it's only temporary (SoonÖ) it's another matter, but if Cider is already working "well" and the only performance upgrade will be the hardware..then no thanks.
In my opinion cider is working like on 40-55% efficiency when it comes to eve, but if the "truth" is like 90%...then I need to buy a PC for eve alone.
Stop whining. |
Luna Moonraker
LUNA-CORP
|
Posted - 2010.08.26 18:53:00 -
[10]
 Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer
I was just curious that there is always speak about fixing the bugs (which it really does have), but what about performance? I mean this client runs like a turd. Are we somewhat close that what CAN be expected from cider? I'm currently in a situation where I need to buy a new computer and I'm just thinking if there is any point in doing so for eve. I don't like buying a 1700e machine and find out eve still runs like crap on it. IF it's only temporary (SoonÖ) it's another matter, but if Cider is already working "well" and the only performance upgrade will be the hardware..then no thanks.
In my opinion cider is working like on 40-55% efficiency when it comes to eve, but if the "truth" is like 90%...then I need to buy a PC for eve alone.
Just my 2 cents on that decision;
Performance wise I don't complain on an 27 inch iMac 3.06Ghz Core 2 Duo, 8GB, with upgraded ATI Radeon HD 4850.
I ask a lot of my computer and run three separate clients mostly for mining ops, missions. All windowed mode set at a decent 1920 x 1200, all settings low etc (I don't need the eye candy for these tasks). FPS is maxed at 60fps (limit of default one) on all except in mission fights it drops to around 30fps. No stuttering etc. It serves my purpose well. I can run it single client all maxed looking great and max fps.
The issue is not really performance then for me, but the crash issues which seem to have improved but unfortunately still happen too often, especially on quit and the instant crashes happening atm with no error or Console info. I would rather work with the Mac client , submit bug reports and hope that these can be eventually nailed.
|
SeriousBusinessman
Caldari
|
Posted - 2010.08.26 23:31:00 -
[11]
the thing that kills me is how i can run one instance (barely) on my mac side but if i switch to the windows XP install on the same computer, i can play eve like its supposed to be played- 2 seperate clients on 2 monitors and about 6-8 seperate apps all running simultaneously. on the mac side i cant even type in a browser with eve running, its so damn slow.
p.s. i have read about the workarounds, but pffft
my widows installation getting corrupted has killed my eve playstyle and replaced it with this lame "one thing at a time" malarky.
Please show support for my 'UI PRESETS' idea:
THE UI PRESETS THREAD
|
Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
|
Posted - 2010.08.27 04:53:00 -
[12]
Originally by: SeriousBusinessman
the thing that kills me is how i can run one instance (barely) on my mac side but if i switch to the windows XP install on the same computer, i can play eve like its supposed to be played- 2 seperate clients on 2 monitors and about 6-8 seperate apps all running simultaneously. on the mac side i cant even type in a browser with eve running, its so damn slow.
p.s. i have read about the workarounds, but pffft
my widows installation getting corrupted has killed my eve playstyle and replaced it with this lame "one thing at a time" malarky.
This.
Stop whining. |
Heavy MG
AUEX Ventures
|
Posted - 2010.08.27 16:26:00 -
[13]
Edited by: Heavy MG on 27/08/2010 16:26:58
Cider is a half-baked solution.
CCP needs to reevaluate their relationship with Transgaming and the relationship with their Mac customers. If Blizzard can do a native Mac and Windows MMORPG, than so can CCP. What gives?
|
Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
|
Posted - 2010.08.27 20:46:00 -
[14]
Originally by: Heavy MG
What gives?
Money. Blizzard manages to get a bigger playerbase and thus...it's cost efficient. Of course to get a bigger playerbase...you need a working product. Which...cider isn't. It really isn't. I myself find it funny, that CCP is saying they have super gaming tech....well every other "high end" gaming engine does have native mac-support. You might wanna think twice how you represent your "we have the elite tools and cutting edge tech..."....you don't.
Stop whining. |
| |
|
| Pages: [1] :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |