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I'm 5particus	Posted - 2010.08.15 12:08:00 - [1] I seem to spend all my time house keeping and trying to make a little ISK, that is making Eve tiresome and laborious. I liked Eve because there was no level grind but instead spend all my time grinding for ISK. Where has all the fun gone? Is it just a case of familiarity breeding contempt? I think I need to take a break.
Max Cetera	Posted - 2010.08.15 12:15:00 - [2] Stop grinding ISK just to have more ISK in wallet ?
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.08.15 12:29:00 - [3] Originally by: I'm 5particus I seem to spend all my time [...] grinding for ISK. Grind SMARTER, not harder. Or be even smarter still, and don't grind for ISK at all... instead, THINK how to make ISK off the backs of people that grind for ISK. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Lillith Starfire	Posted - 2010.08.15 12:31:00 - [4] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: I'm 5particus I seem to spend all my time [...] grinding for ISK. Grind SMARTER, not harder. Or be even smarter still, and don't grind for ISK at all... instead, THINK how to make ISK off the backs of people that grind for ISK. I agree. Shoot them and steals their stuff!
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.08.15 12:44:00 - [5] Originally by: Lillith Starfire I agree. Shoot them and steals their stuff! There is no greater pain that can be inflicted on somebody than an audit _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Brian Ballsack	Posted - 2010.08.15 12:54:00 - [6] Im spartacus !!
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.08.15 13:22:00 - [7] FunÖ has been put on hiatus for ~17 months. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Atticus Fynch Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.08.15 13:27:00 - [8] Originally by: Brian Ballsack Im spartacus !! Yes...the grind is part of the game. It gets easier when you partner up with other players. You don't have to necessarily join their corp either. No, Im Spartacus.
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.08.16 01:30:00 - [9] Originally by: I'm 5particus I seem to spend all my time house keeping and trying to make a little ISK, that is making Eve tiresome and laborious. I liked Eve because there was no level grind but instead spend all my time grinding for ISK. Where has all the fun gone? Is it just a case of familiarity breeding contempt? I think I need to take a break. Is this a joke or are you just new? Wherever you went - Here you are.
Jita Alt666	Posted - 2010.08.16 01:46:00 - [10] rig eoh poker games. easy money
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.08.16 02:07:00 - [11] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: I'm 5particus I seem to spend all my time [...] grinding for ISK. Grind SMARTER, not harder. Or be even smarter still, and don't grind for ISK at all... instead, THINK how to make ISK off the backs of people that grind for ISK. This. Instead of going on to do Level 4 missions, I got into worm hole and 0.0 exploration. Keeping a ship alive in these conditions takes a lot of skills. So I tried a level 4 mission with the same exploration fit that I can do when I solo exploration and WH space..... good? It took three hours to do Buzz Kill. I was apologizing to the looter/salvager I invited from the Free Wrecks channel for taking so damned long. Sure I did it in a battle cruiser (a Cyclone even). But three hours? Only mining could be worse and not by a greater margin. If the grind is truly a grind, then something is wrong. It's good to have the ability to do a level 4 mission "on the shelf" for those days when there is no time to do anything more involved.
Diomedes Calypso	Posted - 2010.08.16 03:19:00 - [12] 1) Fly cheaper ships ... it's a rare gang that can't benefit from a blackbird 15 million ish or an intercepter... 20 milion ish or a t2 fit bc 35 millionish? Or a intredictor maybe 30million tops ? If you can't have fun with those might as well quit the game because you're missing something. 1a) if your corp's actions pretty much demand that you lose 200million isk ships once a week join another corp thats more sucessful/less beseiged in terms of losses or fly's cheaper ships ... if you can't have fun because of the demands your choice is the door out of the game or a door to a better situation in game. 2) Find some way that is fun to make isk. There are so many different ways , you have got to enjoy one of them... find some little niche in trading ...don't wory about the .01 thing.. just try selling some stuff you have lying around not used for 1 million isk more than its worth in a system that doesn't have any for sale and you'll discover that it works eventuallly... and you'll get a bit hooked and start figuring out some stuff that might even be worth buying to sell in those otu of the way places.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.08.16 03:23:00 - [13] Where do you fly diomedes? I seriously need to seed some bb and fittings there. Originally by: CCP Oveur My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard. Originally by: CCP Adida Moved from missions and complexes. All other game discussions are only aloud in OOP.
Yahweh Graf	Posted - 2010.08.16 08:20:00 - [14] Halo Reach is coming out soon. I don't think you will be grinding anything in that game.
Hienz Doofenshmirtz	Posted - 2010.08.16 08:25:00 - [15] if your not having fun your doing it wrong
Ressiv Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association	Posted - 2010.08.16 08:38:00 - [16] If you are a PVP/PVE pilot, you are kinda stuck with shooting stuff. If you take 3 hours for a L4, you need to skill up. I take about 1.5 hour for the big ones. You cant mission in any ship. Well... you can, but you shouldnt. If you go to the mission report site you'll notice that most missions have a ship suggestion. Get some skills in trading .. basic ones. Start station trading. This is buying stuff on buy orders in mission hubs, and either put it right there on the market for a markup, or transport it somewhere else. Not much skills needed, boatloads of ISK if you did your homework. Start using LP's for extra ISK. Invest a bit in social skills for this to become more usefull (more LP/mission) In the end, if you spend a lot of ISK, you'll need a lot of ISK. So either you'll have to find a way to create a steady stream of ISK, or stop spending so much. There are a lot of other options to get you a lot of ISK, but they all need a time investment. I felt like you a while back. I can guarantee you are doing something wrong Also, find some people in-game that have got this nailed, and talk to them. It wont save you from having to invest some time in it, but you should be able to get more ISK for the same amount of time. ========================== Nothing is true, everything is permitted. ==========================
Babylonian Harlot	Posted - 2010.08.16 09:45:00 - [17] In the latest expansion to EvE the forums are now in the game. [CLOSED] Fun in EvE. [CLOSED] Fleets in EvE [Closed] ISK Grinding in high sec based on a 365 day year. Added: Lagg, black screen, 9000 day year. Here is your 1 trit,
BrundleMeth Caldari Temporal Mechanics	Posted - 2010.08.16 11:53:00 - [18] The best way to make ISK is buy GTC's and trade for ISK. To make the money for GTC's my kids do neighbour hood chores and I take a percentage of the earnings (95%).
Zothike Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.08.16 12:01:00 - [19] try factionnal warfare or/and work to install a passive isk income (datacore)
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2010.08.16 12:30:00 - [20] Op, You've hit the nail on the head. There is a 10 to 1 grind to fun ratio in this game. If you're doing it alone, yes, there is no fun to be had in grinding. If you have a friend or friends, it does seem to be more fun. But, CCP does need to have less grinding. It would be very cool if CCP made some sparring agents who matched up pilots who were wanting to spar without being forced to grind to afford any ships/items they lost doing it....something non-punitive just to take a break from the endless grind. They could be transported to an area where noone else is allowed so they could spar in peace.
Kaptain Kruncher	Posted - 2010.08.16 14:24:00 - [21] Originally by: Mr Kidd Op, It would be very cool if CCP made some sparring agents who matched up pilots who were wanting to spar without being forced to grind to afford any ships/items they lost doing it....something non-punitive just to take a break from the endless grind. They could be transported to an area where noone else is allowed so they could spar in peace. That place is called: The Test Server. Go there, go there now.

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