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Jawarrior2010 Amarr Lactose Intolerant corp.	Posted - 2010.08.17 01:18:00 - [1] I recently moved into a c3 wh after spending a long time in a c2, i can solo most of the sites in the drake, however i often take so long that i lose some of hte original wrecks, alot of people have said flying a nighthawk will stop alot of this because of the bettr tank and dps, just want some ideas on the fittings, this is what i have right now. High 6 x Heavy Missile Launcher IIs 1 x Core Probe Launcher I Meds 2 x Invulnerabilty Field IIs 2 x Large Shield Extender IIs 1 x Photon Scattering Field II Low 3 x Shield Power Relay IIs 2 x Ballistic Control System IIs Rigs 2 x Medium Core Defence Field Purger Is According to EFT with my skills this has; 319 dps with no drones 643 dps tank
Astald Ohtar Tous Pour Un Une Pour Tous	Posted - 2010.08.17 04:18:00 - [2] tengu?
Zaq Phelps The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.08.17 04:44:00 - [3] First... I don't know if that tank is going to hold as it's been forever since I've done c3's in a NH, but if you've been tanking them in a drake with those numbers then great. Second... That fit is capable of 470 dps w/o drones, so I don't know if your skills stink or if you're using an off bonus missile (can't seem to get 319 dps out of any missile). Hint: try Scourge Fury for Cruiser/BC/Battleship and scourge precision (or navy scourge) for smaller stuff. Yes it's expensive, but it's not so expensive as to make a huge difference. Third... Dude... if you can fly a NH, you can fly a Tengu. TBH, the tengu is a much better ship than the NH. The only thing the nighthawk really does better is kill frigates (explosion velocity bonus).
Jawarrior2010 Amarr Lactose Intolerant corp.	Posted - 2010.08.17 10:49:00 - [4] the only problem i have with that, the c3 wh i have, is bad for any active tanks as all active reps have a negative bonus, whilst the capactior as a bonus to recharge time and capacity so the capacitor isnt that much of a problem, which is why i wanted to use the nighthawk because of the increase in the dps rather than the tengu as i cant seem to find a decent fitting for a passive tengu
Zaq Phelps The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.08.17 11:14:00 - [5] Well in that case +1. Looks good to me.
beautyispain	Posted - 2010.08.17 17:59:00 - [6] Edited by: beautyispain on 17/08/2010 18:00:26 Edited by: beautyispain on 17/08/2010 17:59:10 Originally by: Jawarrior2010 the only problem i have with that, the c3 wh i have, is bad for any active tanks as all active reps have a negative bonus, whilst the capactior as a bonus to recharge time and capacity so the capacitor isnt that much of a problem, which is why i wanted to use the nighthawk because of the increase in the dps rather than the tengu as i cant seem to find a decent fitting for a passive tengu Use Tengu. Here's an example fit: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/37412-Solo-lvl-5-Tengu.html tanks a whooping 1800dps but lousy dps (no worse than nighthawk though) plus you have tractor beam bonuses. Well I would use the tractor beam subsystem instead of this one. You can also take one or two SPR's and put BCU II's instead to increase the DPS at the cost of less tank. You can also substitute the passive hardeners with active hardeners to increase the tank (at the cost of being not purely passive fitted)
Zaq Phelps The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.08.17 22:28:00 - [7] Edited by: Zaq Phelps on 17/08/2010 22:33:53 Edited by: Zaq Phelps on 17/08/2010 22:28:57 Originally by: beautyispain Edited by: beautyispain on 17/08/2010 18:00:26 Edited by: beautyispain on 17/08/2010 17:59:10 Originally by: Jawarrior2010 the only problem i have with that, the c3 wh i have, is bad for any active tanks as all active reps have a negative bonus, whilst the capactior as a bonus to recharge time and capacity so the capacitor isnt that much of a problem, which is why i wanted to use the nighthawk because of the increase in the dps rather than the tengu as i cant seem to find a decent fitting for a passive tengu Use Tengu. Here's an example fit: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/37412-Solo-lvl-5-Tengu.html tanks a whooping 1800dps but lousy dps (no worse than nighthawk though) plus you have tractor beam bonuses. Well I would use the tractor beam subsystem instead of this one. You can also take one or two SPR's and put BCU II's instead to increase the DPS at the cost of less tank. You can also substitute the passive hardeners with active hardeners to increase the tank (at the cost of being not purely passive fitted) Tanks 1800 rat specific DPS, not omni. Tractor beam bonuses are fairly useless if the highs are filled with HML's. Nighthawk dps is not lousy (and neither is that Tengu if you switch off one of the SPR's for a BCU as you suggested). Lack of probe launcher slot makes solo WH action more of an alt + tengu affair. You can modify it to get an extra high slot, but it gimps the fit into the "not as good as nighthawk for this application" territory. In any case: [Tengu, Solo airqoutes Class 3 WH] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II 10MN Afterburner II Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix At all level V skills: 470 DPS w/ scourge furies (same as pre-drone nighthawk) 523 HPS omni tanked (less than the nighthawk by 120 hps, but it will actually tank better b/c of speed and sig) Smaller sig radius @ 303m v 503m (nighthawk) Much faster than the nighthawk @ 536m/s v 175 m/s (nighthawk) Better Missile Range @ 112.5 km v 75km Cap stable with all V in a cataclysmic variable class 3 wormhole, but just barely (I presume that's the one you mean). Biggest problem I see is the lack of probe launcher (though if you have an alt/corpie with a probing ship it might not be a big deal). Second problem is the lack of drones. You don't use them for dps, you use them as chaff to get sleeper scramblers off of you. If someone is here who has actually solo'd c3's in a passive tengu and can give a decent fit in the same price range as these that includes a probe launcher, then do so. I've only solo'd c3's in a nighthawk before I moved on to pwning level 5 missions in a rattler/golem combo. EDIT: You can drop the AB for another LSE to put the on paper tank over the NH, but that's up to you. It increases your sig radius and slows you way down (both are relevant to tanking with anything smaller than a BC).
adrastos sun Caldari Womens Institute	Posted - 2010.08.19 11:18:00 - [8] Tengu is far more efficient.

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