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Jigoku Majo
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Posted - 2010.08.19 13:26:00 -
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..up to be Taliban.
Is this the reason why nations generally are not donating money to flooding victims there?
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Joe Phoenix
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Posted - 2010.08.19 13:29:00 -
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Yes because all of them want to be terrorists.
GOD your racist.
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So Sensational
GREY COUNCIL
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.08.19 13:30:00 -
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 Originally by: Joe Phoenix
GOD your racist.
I wish I had a racist as good as his to make threads for me.
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Creepy Goat
Collateral.
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.19 13:32:00 -
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Edited by: Creepy Goat on 19/08/2010 13:32:46
More to do with the corrupt government, and yes one of the many reasons people are hesitant to give aid is because the Pakistani government are apparantly harbouring terrorists.
However there are several organisations out there that actually get **** done and give direct aid to the people. Doctors Without Borders is the first that springs to mind.
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edtheshed
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.08.19 13:36:00 -
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well he has a good point tho
pakistan, despite aligning itself to the west, still is reported to harbour terrorists
ofc the millions of people affected cannot be affiliated with them, but i think that countries, such as saudi arabia, with all their millions from oil and stuff, should be providing more than they currently are
the capital of pakistan is islamabad
you'd think that the islam states would want to help their own religious people, but it seems they are letting the western world provide the money and aid
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Chipan Asty
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Posted - 2010.08.19 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: edtheshed
Edited by: edtheshed on 19/08/2010 13:44:02
well he has a good point tho
pakistan, despite aligning itself to the west, still is reported to harbour terrorists
ofc the millions of people affected cannot be affiliated with them, but i think that countries, such as saudi arabia and UAB, with all their millions from oil and stuff, should be providing more than they currently are
the capital of pakistan is islamabad
you'd think that the islam states would want to help their own religious people, but it seems they are letting the western world provide the money and aid
edit: you got in there b4 me creepy goat
Not sure if this is a troll with regard to the islamabad reference, but Suadi and UAE have given Pakistan more financial aid than the US (source radio program today).
As for harbouring terrorists this didn't stop some americans financing the IRA (without there even being a natural disaster to justify it), but then the IRA were terrorists with a favourable religion I spose making them freedom fighters against the evil oppression of the UK regime.
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edtheshed
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.08.19 14:57:00 -
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Edited by: edtheshed on 19/08/2010 15:01:09
Originally by: Chipan Asty
Not sure if this is a troll with regard to the islamabad reference, but Suadi and UAE have given Pakistan more financial aid than the US (source radio program today).
As for harbouring terrorists this didn't stop some americans financing the IRA (without there even being a natural disaster to justify it), but then the IRA were terrorists with a favourable religion I spose making them freedom fighters against the evil oppression of the UK regime.
no its not a troll, where do you think the name comes from... it clearly is in reference to the islam religion
as for saudi aid, ok they gave $60 - $100 million dollars today (ive read different amounts)
as for other countries
check bbc and this quote from yahoo
Quote:
Many energy-rich Middle Eastern countries are being less than generous, however. Qatar has pledged just $400,000 . Pakistan's neighbor to the west, Iran , is giving $800,000 , while the United Arab Emirates has no pledge that the Pakistani authorities have recorded.
edit: and i don't really see the relevance of the IRA point, considering the terrorists in pakistan (if they are taliban for example) are most likely attacking/have attacked the west, instead of fighting on their own land, like the IRA
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Scoundrelus
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2010.08.19 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jigoku Majo
..up to be Taliban.
Is this the reason why nations generally are not donating money to flooding victims there?
Do people think that the USA was kind and merciful to the East and that led to the East hating USA or something? Things like Taliban, Osama, etc. exist for a reason. The US created them as much as they might hate to admit it.
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Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.08.19 15:17:00 -
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Edited by: Vogue on 19/08/2010 15:17:47
Giving up terrorist activities for a road to peace is good. Relatively speaking the troubles in Northern Ireland were not as bad as the genocide in Yugoslavia. Its easier for me to say that as I have not seen a member of my family killed, blown up in a terrorist attack.
It is worth thought of what would happen if a terrorist group tried to bomb the entire presidential administration of the USA in a hotel. Nukes? This happened to the UK government in the late 80's. Patrick Magee who did it said that if Thatcher was killed then the British establishment would be entrenched for a generation and the Northern Ireland peace process would have not happened.
What is harder is giving up ingrained cultural and religious distrust, hatred that is passed from generation. And what really does not help is traditions of marching up some streets in Northern Ireland because someone on a horse with a sword did hundreds of years ago. This is ******ed and really anti progress.
What is a can of worms is the general rule that head's of state don't authorise killing other head's of state. But as head's of state don't unequivocally say this in public addresses its a grey area to what they do authorise behind closed doors.
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Scoundrelus
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2010.08.19 15:23:00 -
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I know this guy personally
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Chipan Asty
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Posted - 2010.08.19 15:23:00 -
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Edited by: Chipan Asty on 19/08/2010 15:25:56
I stand corrected on the amounts donated per country as per your BBC link. Oddly enough I heard that UAE had donated more than USA on a BBC radio station 
I still feel it is wrong to discriminate against a country because it is reported that they harbour terrorists. Obviously only a tiny minority are terrorists, the rest of the population are normal people trying to live normal lives. We only hear of huge numbers of dead and huge amounts of square miles ruined and it's easy not care when dealing with meaningless numbers, but there are thousands upon thousands of personal tragedies that we will never hear of ... individuals who have lost their children or parents or loved ones, their homes and everything they have worked for.
The world is divided on many levels between 'them' and 'us' and we paint a whole nation with one brush based on the actions of a few individuals.
If the taliban and al qaeda had for some reason attacked Russia instead of the west, then my guess is peoples attitude here would be entirely different.
/RAMBLE OFF
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Fumitsugu
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Posted - 2010.08.19 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: edtheshed
and i don't really see the relevance of the IRA point, considering the terrorists in pakistan (if they are taliban for example) are most likely attacking/have attacked the west, instead of fighting on their own land, like the IRA
Like Afghanistan and Pakistan? If some plonkers rolled into my country illegally and for no actual reason ("So, yeah, there might be some terrorists hiding in your vast mountainous regions. And we don't like you very much even though we installed your current regime due to Cold War realpolitik.") I'd shoot them.
And the IRA were present in England, not just Ireland.
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Chipan Asty
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Posted - 2010.08.19 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: edtheshed
edit: and i don't really see the relevance of the IRA point, considering the terrorists in pakistan (if they are taliban for example) are most likely attacking/have attacked the west, instead of fighting on their own land, like the IRA
You are clearly a troll. What terrorist would blow up its own people in its own land to protest against another country controlling the north eastern tip of its island and making the map look untidy. The IRA don't bomb Ireland. They bomb England. |
Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.08.19 15:40:00 -
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It is ironic that after 911 on American soil terrorism in Northern Ireland became more unpalatable to American viewers creating a greater impetus for the peace process.
There always will be shady deals between western countries and terrorist\insurgents in countries that the west want regime change in. Iran's leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was involved in a grenade attack recently. Did the gurillas behind that have foreign backing?
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Fumitsugu
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Posted - 2010.08.19 15:45:00 -
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Edited by: Fumitsugu on 19/08/2010 15:45:45
Originally by: Vogue
There always will be shady deals between western countries and terrorist\insurgents in countries that the west want regime change in. Iran's leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was involved in a grenade attack recently. Did the gurillas behind that have foreign backing?
That was a firework Vogue. Gosh, don't you read the news?
Also...
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edtheshed
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.08.19 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Fumitsugu
Like Afghanistan and Pakistan? If some plonkers rolled into my country illegally and for no actual reason ("So, yeah, there might be some terrorists hiding in your vast mountainous regions. And we don't like you very much even though we installed your current regime due to Cold War realpolitik.") I'd shoot them.
And the IRA were present in England, not just Ireland.
my point was referring to terrorist attacks abroad, eg 9/11 and 7/7, aswell as western armies in their homeland.
so i mean that pakistan government is associated with terrorists that have (possibly/probably) commited crimes against western countries, and still those same countries, eg usa and uk, provide most of the aid
imagine if an event took place in ireland disrupting millions of people who live there (well its much much smaller but anyway) there is no doubt that the uk would provide lots of money in aid, and how much do you think middle-eastern countries would provide?
surely this makes sense to people
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You are clearly a troll. What terrorist would blow up its own people in its own land to protest against another country controlling the north eastern tip of its island and making the map look untidy. The IRA don't bomb Ireland. They bomb England.
the ira did have many bombs in ireland, but i was saying about the 1000+ members of the british army killed in ireland
and yea i see a lock coming soon
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Chipan Asty
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Posted - 2010.08.19 16:05:00 -
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Yah Northern Ireland as in part of the United Kingdom. As in they blow up 'them' instead of 'Us' Come on, you clearly have enough IQ to be able to breath and type and you expect me to not believe you are trolling?
I understand sort of ... the terrorists murdering innocent people in England are ok cos they are white, speak English and claim to like a western friendly religion unlike those dirty non english speaking, non white, none christian animals who attack the west for trying to make the east more like themselves.
Yup it's crystal clear to me now.
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edtheshed
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.08.19 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Chipan Asty
Yah Northern Ireland as in part of the United Kingdom. As in they blow up 'them' instead of 'Us' Come on, you clearly have enough IQ to be able to breath and type and you expect me to not believe you are trolling?
I understand sort of ... the terrorists murdering innocent people in England are ok cos they are white, speak English and claim to like a western friendly religion unlike those dirty non english speaking, non white, none christian animals who attack the west for trying to make the east more like themselves.
Yup it's crystal clear to me now.
they wanted northern ireland to be removed from the uk so i would say that they thought northern ireland as their land then
haha i find it hard to believe that your not trolling tbh
im saying the western countries will give aid to anyone despite what they have done, and islam countries won't even give aid to their religious allies in a time of need, it has nothing to do with race, its a matter of fact, i already showed you how much money has been given
now please get that simple point of observation into your head
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Chipan Asty
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Posted - 2010.08.19 16:34:00 -
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Ok so US has given marginally more over all than UAE, but convert that to per capita, or against GDP then it's naff all.
And to go off topic yet again, IRA blow up Manchester and London amongst other places. They are not blowing up their own people on their own land. They are in the same league as al qaeda or any other terrorist. Just because IRA doesn't bomb USA doesn't mean that they aren't murdering innocent people.
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ceaon
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Posted - 2010.08.19 16:38:00 -
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Edited by: ceaon on 19/08/2010 16:38:51
i dont have any incentive to donate money to them
sry but i fail at this
edit:UK should save them they made the country to is their baby
Originally by: CCP Adida
The male thread was locked because the discussion turned into transsexuals and man boobs.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.19 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Scoundrelus
I know this guy personally
I don't know this guy but he has a point too (and it's pretty much the same).
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Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.08.19 16:57:00 -
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Edited by: Vogue on 19/08/2010 17:07:20
The IRA were and are terrified of the SAS. The SAS were given certain rules of engagement so they pre-empted the IRA into engaging a target from false intel like a lone policeman in a house. Once the trap was sprung the SAS eliminated the IRA with ease.
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ChaeDoc II
Gallente
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.08.19 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: edtheshed
edit: and i don't really see the relevance of the IRA point, considering the terrorists in pakistan (if they are taliban for example) are most likely attacking/have attacked the west, instead of fighting on their own land, like the IRA
Please list one example of the Taliban attacking Americans outside the field of battle in Afghanistan.
And what part of Ireland is Manchester and the dozens of other IRA bombings that, using my limited knowledge of the geography of the country in which i live, were in England?
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Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.08.19 17:31:00 -
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Edited by: Vogue on 19/08/2010 17:31:05
The Taliban are as far as I tell are fighting for their bit of turf. They will fight anyone who wants to control their area - The Russians and now NATO forces that are led by the USA. I read a lengthy article in a newspaper that they are not interested in al qaeda's agenda.
There are lots of tribal groups like the Taliban around the world. Particularly in Africa. You won't fight western forces fighting them unless it is part of a wider angle about strategic oil control.
Although Bill Clinton did try a noble cause in Somali but the Americans were out numbered.
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dr doooo
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Posted - 2010.08.19 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jigoku Majo
..up to be Taliban.
Is this the reason why nations generally are not donating money to flooding victims there?
Someone's got to fight all those invading Christian terrorists .......
ps- I don't think that's funny. I just thought an animation of Tony Blair looking into an infinity mirror was appropriate.
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edtheshed
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.08.19 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: ChaeDoc II
Please list one example of the Taliban attacking Americans outside the field of battle in Afghanistan.
And what part of Ireland is Manchester and the dozens of other IRA bombings that, using my limited knowledge of the geography of the country in which i live, were in England?
sorry, i was using the taliban as an example of a terrorist group, so add to that al-qaeda and others
and i never said that the ira never bombed in england, i said that they fought in ireland(read as northern ireland)
read some of my other posts after the one you quoted
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ceaon
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Posted - 2010.08.19 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
I don't know this guy but he has a point too (and it's pretty much the same).
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/38731398
(if commercials come up first, wait 30 sec)
hmmm awesome link
Originally by: CCP Adida
The male thread was locked because the discussion turned into transsexuals and man boobs.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2010.08.19 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: edtheshed
Edited by: edtheshed on 19/08/2010 15:01:09
Originally by: Chipan Asty
Not sure if this is a troll with regard to the islamabad reference, but Suadi and UAE have given Pakistan more financial aid than the US (source radio program today).
As for harbouring terrorists this didn't stop some americans financing the IRA (without there even being a natural disaster to justify it), but then the IRA were terrorists with a favourable religion I spose making them freedom fighters against the evil oppression of the UK regime.
no its not a troll, where do you think the name comes from... it clearly is in reference to the islam religion
as for saudi aid, ok they gave $60 - $100 million dollars today (ive read different amounts)
as for other countries
check bbc and this quote from yahoo
Quote:
Many energy-rich Middle Eastern countries are being less than generous, however. Qatar has pledged just $400,000 . Pakistan's neighbor to the west, Iran , is giving $800,000 , while the United Arab Emirates has no pledge that the Pakistani authorities have recorded.
edit: and i don't really see the relevance of the IRA point, considering the terrorists in pakistan (if they are taliban for example) are most likely attacking/have attacked the west, instead of fighting on their own land, like the IRA
Clearly not the sharpest tool in the box. Sure islam is getting radicalized they say but so far islam and taliban are not interchangeable.
What then about World Trade Center, they buy and sell my world, those bastard! Or they did. Empire State Building, admission to being an evil empire, as all empires are by definition.
Apply that FOXy logic to whatever suit your agenda, or rather then one you follow.
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ChaeDoc II
Gallente
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.08.19 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: edtheshed
Edited by: edtheshed on 19/08/2010 18:29:15
Originally by: ChaeDoc II
Please list one example of the Taliban attacking Americans outside the field of battle in Afghanistan.
And what part of Ireland is Manchester and the dozens of other IRA bombings that, using my limited knowledge of the geography of the country in which i live, were in England?
sorry, i was using the taliban as an example of a terrorist group, so add to that al-qaeda and others
Well, i question the description of them as a terrorist organisation.
Evil as they are they, as far as i'm aware, dont go to other countries and kill people just to cause terror in that country's people. They're the former government of Afghanistan, legitimate or not, and they're righting for their country back.
The only reason we invaded was because Osama Bin Laden was there and because the Taliban refused to hand him over, not because the Taliban did anything against the US or any other country in the west so to call them terrorists is pretty dumb when what they're doing is trying to take their country back, not cause terror.
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dr doooo
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Posted - 2010.08.19 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: edtheshed
Edited by: edtheshed on 19/08/2010 18:29:15
Originally by: ChaeDoc II
Please list one example of the Taliban attacking Americans outside the field of battle in Afghanistan.
And what part of Ireland is Manchester and the dozens of other IRA bombings that, using my limited knowledge of the geography of the country in which i live, were in England?
sorry, i was using the taliban as an example of a terrorist group, so add to that al-qaeda and others
and i never said that the ira never bombed in england, i meant that they mainly operated in ireland(read as northern ireland)
read some of my other posts after the one you quoted
You seem to be clouding the issue with your use or 'ireland'. The provissional IRA exclusively bombed in the UK iirc.
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