But is he wrong?

Nope.

Fitted properly, a Hulk cannot be profitably ganked.

Yep. Happy Miner is proud that he's too stupid to survive without CCP holding his hand and leading him to water. Bet you that in 6 months we're gonna hear Happy Miner turn into Sad Miner complaining that CCP hasn't forced him to drink.

End result: the mythical 22K EHP Mack apparently miners have to use or are "stupid pigs", everything both cargo and yield sacrificed for tank.

Achieving what? Besides being easily flagged as a bot.

You whined because you got killed. Miners whined because they got killed.

Not if you DD'd wrong ship.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk2cCe5GF-c

I mean, it already isn't profitable to gank ravens.

The 40-60 titan fleets wielded by the techboys could've been killed with a sizeable dread armada, you the goons just didn't have the balls to do it or didn't have enough pilots volunteering for it or possibly just didn't have enough dread pilots. Seems you didn't prepare for war enough. Just assuming you can plow through everything with 2 alpha mael fleet + scrubs fleet was shortsighted.

Now that being said, ccp didn't intend titans to kill subcaps with ease at this point in eve onlines life and that is the reason they were nerfed. But this was only brought to ccp's eyes by the huge amount of whine the goonswarm did when they couldn't win the war with the usual alpha mael fleet. Yes you whined only after it affected you, not before.

Now onto the miners problem, ccp has stated that ganking a ship in hisec is not meant to be profitable, that means you shouldn't be gaining more cash from suiciding and then salvaging a ship than you lose while doing it. Why is this important to ccp now? Well you guessed it, you dimwits went and took a crap on your own plate, you just had to gank and gank and gank. Now all the miners have had enough and whined, and as such ccp is doing the necessary changes.

After the changes, the ships are still gankable, it just takes more effort, and as has been said tons of times, idiots don't tank their ships. And really these things were being planned on since last summer. The reason the tanks were made better was goonswarms ice interdiction, and the growing love for hulkageddon.

Now i hope you atlast get it, you can whine as much as you whine it won't change the new reincarnations of mining ships.

Ps. now remember kids, titans were actually the counter to blob warfare which the cfc loves so much.

Love 2 Phoenix.

(Not really)

Ganking always has consequences. Even if it's not successful, you get a security status hit and lose a ship (without insurance). Grinding sec is a terrible, terrible thing.

This is fun.

CCP dev's gave griefers a huge gift of buffed Catalysts and the new T3 BC's. We were then told by the griefers "adapt or die".
So the more determined and resourceful of the miner species adapted, the balance stopped mining.

16 months later CCP gives high sec miners a counter to the Catalyst and Tornado.

I am sure that the truly intelligent and resourceful of the various griefer species will adapt. For the balance of the various griefer species, well, in Eve and as in nature, evolution will do what it does best.

huge increase in griefing. Now it is the griefers' turn to adapt.

this guy gets it

who cares if trit is 1isk/unit? that means ships will be pocket change, you'll mine for the same amount of time to buy the same amount of stuff. in real terms nothing has changed.

tech is being nerfed too so prices will still come down. i have no idea how long the tech cartel has around, but a year ago trit was half of what it is now, so were hulk prices, they've both gone up at similar rates.

don't forget if people don't have isk to spend, demand goes down, as do prices. people can't spend what they don't have.

Official bet: I will give you 1 billion if within 6 months from the patch trit goes to 1 ISK pu (Jita IV price).

If it does not, you will give me 1 billion instead.

Chribba or Grendell will be used to hold my and your billion in the mean time.

Deal?

Just throwing this out there; what if the lower the system sec status the faster the mining laser cycle time?

Hulks will be like 100-150m with the tech nerf.

and then it's you mine or you tank

Bolded the part your blinds seem to hide.

Do you gank and empty freighter?

To be fair, Ruby is a special snowflake. The filter between his brain and mouth (or fingers in this case) malfunctions often which forces him into constant shitposting and has suffered repeated forum warnings and bans because of it. Most of the pro-ganker crowd is happily posting on their main while the pro-miner crowd is unlikely to do the same in an effort to avoid the targeted ire of the vengeful ganker mobs.

Oh look, we got someone with fantasy inspirations.

So you REALLY go to the final straws and pretend everybody else are so stupid not to understand the meaning of my easy 4-5 lines of text?

Do you gank and empty freighter?

that hasn't happened since the hp buffs at the start of tbc nearly half a decade ago.

you simply don't have enough combined stuns and dps to 100 -> 0 some one with the larger hp pools.
then came resilience etc...

It's called "what goes around, comes around".

EvE is an easy mode MMO as well.

This whole thread is created by bads who want to keep effortlessy farming other bads who are even worse.

Actually, in WoW if you want to compete for any ladder you must stop keyboard turning and being a clicker, EvE does not even demand that.

All this crying is yummy :D

Hey, I just met you
and this is crazy!

So here's the kitchen
so sandwich maybe!

See, that's the problem. People who suicide gank high-sec miners are the laziest PvP'ers. Now that it is no longer so easy to gank high-sec miners, gankers find it easier to whine on the forums instead of actually learning to PvP.

For example Red vs Blue.

You have really to hope the current CEO and stake holders don't change and get replaced by "$$$$ in the eyes" quick short term money mongers a la EA.

You have yet to see the real EA-alike directors in action. If you believe that little CCP brainfart was something serious you'd see MMOs that got totally gutted to the point of losing dozens of servers in 2-3 months, others that within 3 months off release were already 40% player base down and so on.

I don't have any friends.



Stop lying.

Yes.

Am I going to pop him before he pops the other guy? Because that would be the reason to do that defense.

Not enough dps to destroy that Catalyst.

Look at all these suicide ganker tears because they can't fit up a T1 destroyer for little to no ISK and solo gank a ship that cost 200m+ for the hull. Absolutely pathetic.

You can still suicide gank that shinny, but you will need to bring a few friends (you know, the thing you keep telling everyone in high sec to get...) and you will need to pony up a bit of ISK to do it. So dry those eyes already.

No...it took a whole 2 cheap fit destroyers instead of 1.

No matter how you look at it, exhumers deserved better tank/ehp than they previously had. They are the highest end mining vessels you can fly, but they were far to weak even with tanks fit.

Sorry, but untrue... the old barges were far too weak for the time and affort you had to put into skilling them. How long do you have to skill for BCs (in example a Drake) to use and tank them efficiently? A month? No comparison possible... concidering that miners have to learn many side skills, like refining and ore specialisation to be really effective at all... a L3 mission runner on the other hand...

8 missile launchers or 3 hybrid railguns, doesn't matter crap the fact is that barges give up the ability for offensive weapons to gain a mining advantage.

And if you think the old Hulk had a good tank try flying around a Battleship or for that matter a battle cruiser with that crappy amount of tank and I'm talking the T1 battle ships or battle cruisers while you seem to think a T2 ship should have a crap tank and no ability to shoot back. I love the good enough tank reference, by what do you class as good enough? good enough to go boom with 3 or 4 catalysts?

Personally I think your argument is insane. A fully tanked T2 ship should not be able to be swatted out of the sky by a handful of crappy T1 destroyers while not having the ability to fight back.

Looks like you just want easy ganks, so why don't you just find some of those catalysts, there are plenty flying around.

Why don't you go gank them or are you worried they can shoot back?

Yea, sure... and now compare the (relative) amount of ISK you could make with that fitting in an hour, compared to a solo L3 mission runner that didn't spend half as much time skilling... still not even close on the SP/ISK investment vs. profit diagram. No mentioning the fact that nobody would try to suicide gank said mission runner while he is making his money in highsec.

That's all I'm saying...

You might want to check that the fitting states "Effective HP: 26,653" not 38k, its only 36k in kinetic/thermal.

It was just stupid that a T1 cruiser could have the same armour levels as a T2 mining ship that has no offensive capability.

Yeah because it would be stupid if a ship designed for mining with all these combat ships around to actually have reasonable defenses, the fact is exactly that it makes no sense at all to design a mining ship that can just get blown out of the water by any old crap T1 or 3 in the case of catalysts.
As to adding more MLUs actually I haven't used them in years and the tank for such an expensive ship was a bloody joke. To use your freighter example, the old hulk was like having an obelisk with only 80k ehp but I suppose that would make a lot of sense to you as well.

Your whole argument is it is so nasty now that 3 T1 destroyers can't kill a T2 ship with a Mass 7 times there combined mass.

I noticed you didn't reply about ganking ships that can shoot back and I think that is the whole point to this thread.

You want easy kills that can't shoot you back.

You bring up a good point if you want to pack your ships with a volatile substance and smash into a hulk so you can die a permadeath while screaming for Allah, be my guest.

Other than that it doesn't make much sense, kind of like firing a machine gun at a battleship and hoping it sinks.