I was under the impression that suicide ganking wasn't "designed" at all, insofar as all ships anywhere in space can be attacked by default.

Incidentally, Mara Rinn is a perfect example of the 'smart' high-sec miner.
While I am generally inactive during the summer, I've recently made a few ganking passes through her mining systems.
She tanks her Hulk hard, and is quite content to continue mining away - with ice at record high prices. She pays attention to her surroundings, knows that I work alone - and am unlikely to crack her tank without spending far more than I'd like. And she broadcasts warnings to the other miners in local.

Fortunately for me, there usually are a few targets in system that don't pay attention and I get my kills as well.
I get to blow up some Exhumers, and she has less mining competition, allowing her to sell her ice at higher prices.

Win for the ganker, Win for the 'smart' miner, exactly how it should be.

Or maybe the gankers will have to go back to shooting each other to make their money. Get their asses back out there blowing each other up and creating upward pressure on the price of minerals.

The risk free money of blowing up a exhumer, looting the t2 strips, salvaging intact plates, and getting a isk GG pat on the ass from goons all for the cost of a well fit dessie isn't going to be there anymore.

Not true, try flying a Retriever with newbie skills below 0.7 sec and it gets popped so fast it's unreal. Even spamming shield repeair. The game has to work for them too.

You should not get a profit because you slap 2 hardeners to survive a gank, but because you had to solve something more complex than what a turtle could do while asleep in order to get those minerals. Other MMOs do that and they certainly don't have brighter designers than CCP.

It's not that you can kill a miner, everyone is suppose to be killable, I get it and I accept it. No the issue is when the amount of time, effort, and cost involved is so absurdly much lower than your target that there isn't balance or anything close to it. You're spoon feeding gankers who have no need to bother with "skill" or even basic knowledge of the game. All they have to do is spend less than a minute reading one of the many gank guides out there or spend a few minutes watching the youtube videos.

what i find harder to understand why some people only want to ruin other gaming experience by acting like a bunch of white trash teenagers who s like nothing more than to set fire to the neigbours pet rabbit

It's not like they don't exist now, all battleships with 8 high out mine anything that can't fit 3 strip miners.

You spend time repeating the same boring 3 points
1 Don't afk mine
2 Tank your barge(instead of yield or cargo)
3 Be aligned and have friends.

AND NOW

You are now whining that it will take effort on your part to gank a barge.....REALLY.

nor suicide gankers.

Did you seriously mine for the challenge?

well, to be fair, they're mostly the ones complaining about it.

A 57 days pre-requisites training ship at the end of the starter profession is nothing compared to tons of other ships in EvE.

Considering it's the first profession suggested to take, both in tutorials, on rookie chat and online websites, it can't be DA ELITE Everest entry barrier.

Are you suggesting you can't read starter *profession* and you want to read starter *ship*?

It did not make any sense to charge a fee before this because it was profitable for the most part.

CCP is changing the dynamics so this is a viable option.

You can not PvP combat with war ships for a living. It will drain your funds. As should ganking miners. As said by CCP.

And here is the same fitting without all the fluff nobody bar 1% of the playerbase will ever care to bring on the field: GǪ

You put an implicit or. I put an explicit and: Tengu, implants and Orcas.

Also, larger mining fleets that may field additional support, don't need to bring crappy 600 per minute mining yield fits shown in the lolexamples anyway

What are going to do those without the mythical "all V skills" that today struggle going above 10K EHP? Be told to suck it up and return to the game in 1 year and after they purchased Orca + alt?

war dec if u want to high sec pvp. I think its funny the gankers are crying about this lol

Waaa waaaaa were going to have a harder time ganking like the l33t pvpers waaaaaaa. Wanna kill people? Go to lowsec or nullsec

No you were talking about how tractor beam is stupid/useless module.

Hi, Bat Country there. Some of them don't care about being cheap like you seem to be and will try use 3 Tornadoes against my Mack (as posted some posts of mine ago)

First of all CCP posted a Tiericide devblog and the philosophy behind making all hulls worth flying by giving them different flavours.

In WoW and other games the designers are not idiots, when they see spawn camping and mass farming they implement spawn defenses, barriers, cannons etc.

We got something similar to mass spawn camping in EvE and guess what, CCP are implementing defenses and so on.

]I always have been in extremely crowded ice belts and after 8 brain-wrecking hours of unloading stuff it's quite easy for an Orca pilot to warp back and not know somebody flipped it in his absence and take it.

I am always surprised of people (not just you but others in this thread) who pretend somebody can do the same stuff for 8 hours and then be ready and pristine for any sudden event like they just had a big sniff of lol-they-censored-it.

I feel like I am the only puny, mere human in this thread.

You don't seem to understand the point of Tiericide. All the Exhumers are supposed to be better than the others in the situations they're designed for.

i've said it before and i'll say it again; if you want to go afk do other things, fly a mackinaw not a hulk.

Why more than 1? It's meant to run with hauler support. Either have it in the belt with you or accept the risk that comes with jet cans.

Also, large grav sites may easily take more than 1 day, expecially since you'll get rogues "invading it" and trying to gank the ships (I had this on 5 grav sites out of 5 I have done 2 months ago).

Guess miners will now be PAYING gankers to get rid of other miners... and all those betrayal shenanigans too.