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Pankas Carter Viziam Amarr Empire 24	Posted - 2012.08.07 21:35:00 - [1] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: Pankas Carter wrote: Guns don't kill people, people letting other people shoot them kill people? That's some twisted logic you got there. The ONLY person responsible for a ship being destroyed are the people shooting at it. hi, this is a game please leave your silly RL analogies at the door Hi, this is reality. Please leave your failure to understand logic on your side of the keyboard. In game or in the real world, logic is logic. My analogy demonstrates the logic, and is just a tool. You're not supposed to read it literally. Adama: Starbuck, what do you hear? Starbuck: Nothing but the rain. Adama: Then grab your gun and bring in the cat.
Pankas Carter Viziam Amarr Empire 24	Posted - 2012.08.07 21:40:00 - [2] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: I remember when people would get mocked endlessly when they'd cry about losing their multibillion ISK ships on gates to gankers, having their stuff looted and probably even salvaged. Now everyone just has sympathy for the poor ~victim~ and they bleat risk/reward re: suicide ganking, despite it being literally the only risk left for anybody in hisec that isn't dumb enough to mine/haul/run missions during wardecs. Well, lets step back a minute and take stock: You're a goon. Most of us would probably defend kicking puppies just to contradict you. Hide your corporation/alliance on the forum or post with an alt, if you want to have a rational discussion. I'm sorry, but that's the way things work. You all earned that reputation. Adama: Starbuck, what do you hear? Starbuck: Nothing but the rain. Adama: Then grab your gun and bring in the cat.
Pankas Carter Viziam Amarr Empire 24	Posted - 2012.08.07 21:43:00 - [3] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Tyberius Franklin wrote: No, it really doesn't. Those people went looking for someone worth killing in the case of searching for an untanked miner. If it were somehow purely the miner's fault they would explode upon contact with the "harshness of space" when undocking without a tank rather than need to wait for a ganker. Yes its really does. He chose not to fit a tank and faces the consiquences of his actions. It is laughably easy to avoid being ganked for profit. These consequences are completely arbitrary. As he said, he didn't explode for no reason. Someone made a decision to shoot him. The fault lies with the shooter, period. Lets be clear here: i'm not saying ganking is necessarily wrong. You just need to accept the fact that the ganker is responsible for pulling the trigger. If bitching/whining/patching is the result of abusing it, well, that's your own damn fault. Adama: Starbuck, what do you hear? Starbuck: Nothing but the rain. Adama: Then grab your gun and bring in the cat.
Pankas Carter Viziam Amarr Empire 25	Posted - 2012.08.07 21:51:00 - [4] - Quote (edit ate my post) Just go re-read what I said elsewhere. I'm not going to change my opinion because you said "na-uh!" Adama: Starbuck, what do you hear? Starbuck: Nothing but the rain. Adama: Then grab your gun and bring in the cat.
Pankas Carter Viziam Amarr Empire 25	Posted - 2012.08.07 21:52:00 - [5] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: Pankas Carter wrote: Yea, I admit I'm being contrarian mostly to be a jerk. That said, I really wish you all would stop pretending you're doing nothing "wrong" - it's not the victim's fault. Whether or not what you did is a crime is not my debate, my debate is the fact that the miner didn't grab your hand, push the gun to his head, and pull your trigger. please keep up these uncreative comparisons of ganking to real-life murder they are absolutely hilarious Fine. Replace guns with creme pies if you want. Then there's no crime, real or imagined, but you're still putting someone's face into the pie. Adama: Starbuck, what do you hear? Starbuck: Nothing but the rain. Adama: Then grab your gun and bring in the cat.
Pankas Carter Viziam Amarr Empire 25	Posted - 2012.08.07 21:57:00 - [6] - Quote Yeep wrote: Pankas Carter wrote: Yea, I admit I'm being contrarian mostly to be a jerk. That said, I really wish you all would stop pretending you're doing nothing "wrong" - it's not the victim's fault. Whether or not what you did is a crime is not my debate, my debate is the fact that the miner didn't grab your hand, push the gun to his head, and pull your trigger. Firstly there is nothing "wrong" with destroying another pilot's ship so long as you don't use an exploit to do it. Secondly, you can be at fault without being responsible. You can be at fault without something being your fault. Its not your fault your hulk exploded but you were at fault for not tanking it or watching local or aligning. Mmm, true enough. ... and I thought I said I didn't think there was anything wrong with it. My problem is with the person doing the shooting pretending they didn't act, and that the target just magically exploded on their own. Adama: Starbuck, what do you hear? Starbuck: Nothing but the rain. Adama: Then grab your gun and bring in the cat.
Pankas Carter Viziam Amarr Empire 25	Posted - 2012.08.07 22:00:00 - [7] - Quote edit: you know what? no. I'm done arguing with trolls and their cousins. Adama: Starbuck, what do you hear? Starbuck: Nothing but the rain. Adama: Then grab your gun and bring in the cat.
Pankas Carter Viziam Amarr Empire 25	Posted - 2012.08.07 22:06:00 - [8] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: and hey let's turn the tables a bit here suicide gankers have allegedly enjoyed "risk-free" PvP for years, and crimewatch will allow their looting alts to be shot at by anyone, with neutral RR that they can't shoot why should the "vigilantes" enjoy risk-free PvP? How bout this? Vigilantes should be CONCORD-exempt. Free to shoot you, but free to be shot at. Seems it would be a win for all? But I'm not thinking too deeply about it, second-order consequences and beyond... shrug. See, I can be reasonable Richard :) Adama: Starbuck, what do you hear? Starbuck: Nothing but the rain. Adama: Then grab your gun and bring in the cat.
Pankas Carter Viziam Amarr Empire 25	Posted - 2012.08.07 22:17:00 - [9] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: Spector Nightshade wrote: I'm curious to how you manage to fit a hulk currently with 35k ehp because atm without jumping to officer level fits which certainly become profitable to gank I'm topping out at around 20k ehp with completely scraping yield in favor of tank using T2 mods. I'm certain you could find quite a few gankers willing to go after a hulk with 45k EHP sporting a few billion in mods to get up to that 45k ehp that you speak of. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/16196592/Hulk%20-%20catalyst%20tanked.jpg Note you've got the tool set for all your skills to V. In actual practice, that's probably not going to be true. That's a huge time investment. Adama: Starbuck, what do you hear? Starbuck: Nothing but the rain. Adama: Then grab your gun and bring in the cat.
Pankas Carter Viziam Amarr Empire 25	Posted - 2012.08.07 22:18:00 - [10] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Tyberius Franklin wrote: Since the consequence is a gank, that would make gankers responsible for ganking. Others just aid in target selection. Doesnt matter how you try to word it, the problem for the miner always starts with them not fitting a tank. Yea, totally has nothing to do with the ganker: 1. Undocking 2. Travelling to the victim's system 3. Warping to the victim's local 4. Targetting the victim 5. Shooting the victim I love how you just love to try to dodge responsibility. Adama: Starbuck, what do you hear? Starbuck: Nothing but the rain. Adama: Then grab your gun and bring in the cat.

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