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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Fyretracker Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.21 21:35:00 -
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 Originally by: Lia'Vael
Banned for real money trading.
User Agreement
7. Paragraph 4
"You may not sell or auction any Lineage II accounts, characters, items, currency or copyrighted material for real-world money or items or services of any value, nor may you assist others in doing so."
Unless you're some troll from the underbelly of a bridge to narnia the ToS and EULA are treated as a legal contract between the user and the game provider. If you break that contract in any way shape or form then the provider has every right legally to end service.
Gaming addiction is not the subject matter here it is a device to misdirect and to bypass the legal contract we agree to everyday and fail to take responsibility for their own fault.
yea his being banned for RMT makes me think he was not addicted at all, he is using addiction as a ploy because their ban cut off his gravy train. a gravy train that was derailed because it violated the TOS which he agreed to by loading the game.
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Albetta
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Posted - 2010.08.21 22:13:00 -
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As gamers, our judgment on this is a little biased.
Yes, games can be addicting, to SOME people.
Lots of people drink, but not everyone is an alcoholic.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
1st Cavalry Division
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.08.21 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Albetta
As gamers, our judgment on this is a little biased.
Yes, games can be addicting, to SOME people.
Lots of people drink, but not everyone is an alcoholic.
Game addiction is nothing like alcohol addiction. Alcohol addiction is a physical dependency that results in physical symptoms when one is deprived of alcohol. Game "addiction" is little more than being uncomfortable adapting to a new routine.
My bet is that he's ****ed because he relied on the income from RMT to sustain himself. Now he's forced to actually go out and find a job.
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Ella C'Tronix
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Posted - 2010.08.21 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Originally by: Albetta
As gamers, our judgment on this is a little biased.
Yes, games can be addicting, to SOME people.
Lots of people drink, but not everyone is an alcoholic.
Game addiction is nothing like alcohol addiction. Alcohol addiction is a physical dependency that results in physical symptoms when one is deprived of alcohol. Game "addiction" is little more than being uncomfortable adapting to a new routine.
My bet is that he's ****ed because he relied on the income from RMT to sustain himself. Now he's forced to actually go out and find a job.
You lack understanding of science. Addiction to gaming, and many other things, is a very real, tangible thing that can affect people. I'm not really qualified to get into the nuts and bolts of it, but a persons brain can become pretty much "rewired", and they can experience physical symptoms along side all of the usual markers for depression, withdrawal and so forth. Persons can experience a wide range of physical and mental withdrawal symptoms including nausea, triggering or prolonging of various short term illness, sleep cycle corruption, violent outbursts, self-disassociative behaviors, uncontrollable mood swings.. just to name a couple. It isn't to be confused with simply spending too much time being irresponsible and playing video games and saying "MAN, i'm ADDICTED!". It's something much different and scarier.
How this pertains to the original article/case at hand... i'm not sure. I'm really not sure how relevant the RMT issue is to the addiction issue and vice versa, other than the disruption in his "enjoyment" of the game when banned may have woken him up a bit, or simply just triggered overwhelming emotional confusion.
As stated earlier, I'm not suggesting that the lawsuit itself was justified or not, just that the idea of gaming addiction being something that should be looked at and taken more seriously by posters here, the courts, the industry in general.
Oh, and I almost forgot. I just made you read my signature. |
Lia'Vael
Caldari
Migrant Fleet
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Posted - 2010.08.21 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Albetta
As gamers, our judgment on this is a little biased.
Yes, games can be addicting, to SOME people.
Lots of people drink, but not everyone is an alcoholic.
The thing is this isn't about game addiction, this is about a person who violated the user agreement, got banned, and is now suing even though they agreed to a contact (that they violated) which specifically states what someone can and cannot do and that the provider may cut off service at any time for any reason under the false claim of forced addiction and ruining their life even though that is entirely the responsibility of the person not the company creating entertainment.
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Dray
Caldari
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.22 01:23:00 -
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I'm betting that if the judge had a better understanding of the game and the guys RMT ban it would never have seen the light of day.
Ridiculous.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.22 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ella C'Tronix
You lack understanding of science. Addiction to gaming, and many other things, is a very real, tangible thing that can affect people.
Highlighted most relevant part.
But I would have said instead "and just about anything".
People CAN become "addicted" to anything if they loathe the dreary reality of their day-to-day life too much (but somehow still have enough time to jerk around).
The fact that he claims he got "addicted" to a particular game is no fault of the game's maker, but his own fault.
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Reiisha
Evolution
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.22 03:53:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly
My bet is that he's ****ed because he relied on the income from RMT to sustain himself. Now he's forced to actually go out and find a job.
This.
I wonder why people still keep arguing about the addiction thing.
1) He got banned for RMT, and after 3 years, NOW is the moment he chooses to sue?
2) The company responsible for his "addiction" forcibly cuts him off, and he sues them for essentially doing the right thing?
How did that judge accept this case? It's mindboggling.
"If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.08.22 05:13:00 -
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A federal judge let this go on.
THAT, my friends, is an example of why the United States is where it is today.
We have people like that.
But really, 11 hours a day, 5 years, and caught RMT.......this could be an angry botter doing the American thing and using government as his personal weapon. Our government is always happy to be a weapon against any defendant that has money.
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0oO0oOoOo0o
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Posted - 2010.08.22 09:19:00 -
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Edited by: 0oO0oOoOo0o on 22/08/2010 09:19:38
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
A federal judge let this go on.
THAT, my friends, is an example of why the United States is where it is today.
We have people like that.
But really, 11 hours a day, 5 years, and caught RMT.......this could be an angry botter doing the American thing and using government as his personal weapon. Our government is always happy to be a weapon against any defendant that has money.
I were not surprised if this were the case. 20k hours mostly botted for RMT purpose and at the end trying to sue the company on top of that, after being caught. But isn't this exactly the American Dream ? From rags to riches ... or from a RMT low earner to a self-made millionaire.
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Ella C'Tronix
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Posted - 2010.08.22 09:22:00 -
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The RMT thing is an unrelated issue, and they can just sue him for that in a seperate case.
Oh, and I almost forgot. I just made you read my signature. |
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