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Tomton Macoute
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Posted - 2010.08.21 14:46:00 -
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Set up in a wh with enough varied planets to run a complete chain. Despite 7 years of college PI has me stumped to the point that everytime I try to make a plan my brain vapor locks on me. Can't decide if I should produce as far up the chain as possible on each planet or just offload everything extracted (after basic processing) to a factory planet. What's the consensus on factory planets?
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Amicus Morte
Shock an Awe
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Posted - 2010.08.21 15:07:00 -
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Really depends on what you want to do.
Sol: A microwarp drive? In a battleship? Are you insane? They arenÆt built for this!
Clear Skies - The Movie
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Doc Grey
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Posted - 2010.08.21 18:19:00 -
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I sort of do a bit of both. I use the planets I have to make what I can, to go towards final production.
With the planets at my disposal, I can make all the products needed, but would buy in what I don't have if necessary. ItÆs a bit backward, but I'm selling the P4 items for more than it would cost me to sell everything I make. The market varies and sometimes itÆs not worth it, but at the moment its working out for me.
Example. I'm making Organic Applicators. To do that, I need Robotics, Condensates and Bacteria.
To get Robotics, I mine/process what I need for mechanical parts and Consumer electronics.
To get Condensates, I mine/process what I need for Coolant and oxides.
I mine/process the Bacteria at my factory planet.
I put them all together at my factory planet and hey presto. A comfortable profit a week.
I found that this is better than buying the robotics and condensates themselves, as now that itÆs all settled, you can't really make a profit doing that.
Whatever you do, process at least one level of what you harvest, 2 would be better to make a recognisable profit for effort.
Pick a planet or planets in one system (more than 1 means travelling = work) you can get 2 P1 items from that go together to make a P2.
If the planets let you and itÆs worth the hauling youÆll inevitably have to do, maybe make your P2 products into a P3. To make a P4 product is almost hard work (you actually have to work at it) so start with P2s or 3s and see how you get a feel for it.
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Daniellica
World Eaters Excavation
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Posted - 2010.08.21 18:28:00 -
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My brother and I run a PI corp specifically designed for players' PI alts. We off free advice on planet setups, logistics, things like that. We also buy your p1's at above Jita prices (saves hauling on your end and ours).
Here is a link to our advert:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1351047
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Captain Torgo
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Posted - 2010.08.22 22:57:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Torgo on 22/08/2010 22:58:05
 Originally by: Daniellica
My brother and I run a PI corp specifically designed for players' PI alts. We off free advice on planet setups, logistics, things like that. We also buy your p1's at above Jita prices (saves hauling on your end and ours).
Here is a link to our advert:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1351047
I've got the exact same thing going with my corp too. All except buying PI goods that is.
We get the occasional ratter that comes in to kill sleepers and that's fine. We have no interest in that.
We have the manpower and materials required to produce Sterile Conduits, Wetware Mainframe, and Nano Factories. But for now we're focusing on just producing coolant. Lots and lots of coolant. 1.8 billion isk worth of coolant per month to be exact.
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Trinkets friend
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Posted - 2010.08.23 06:36:00 -
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IMHO the way to go is to attempt to balance your raw material --> P1 load. It is arguable that this is best done on the planet, and you only import/export P1 materials and up; this requires a 2:1 extractor:processor split.
If you are going for P4, you should be aware of what is worth producing (and what you can produce) and what you should be buying in off market. For example, 60% of coolant costs are electrolytes so you should buy water and make electrolytes. Same goes for other P2 and P3 materials, and even some P3's.
If you have a temperate or barren, you can create a factory hub there. Once you've got a steady stream of basic P1 commodities coming, you batch process these at your factory hub. It doesn't have to be huge, and you'll probably want to be mining biofuels/precious metals on your barren anyway. But you put down a spaceport, and surround it with 6 basic and 3 advanced and 1 hi-tech processors.
You then import 10,000m^3 at a time, configure your factory to process the material (eg; 5,000m bacteria + 5,000m reactive metals --> nanites) and route the products back to the spaceport, and process a chunk lot at once. It'll take a day or two to fully digest a full load of P1's into a P2, and you need a bunch of different P2's to get a P4, so you work in large volumes.
Get your P2's cooked. Then since you've got 3 advanced processors, you import your whole swag of P2's. Route one pair to an advanced to produce one type of P3, product back to the spaceport, etc, till all P3's are cooking. Then you route all your P3's into your Hi-tech processor, and the P4 product back to the spaceport.
This then cooks away, and voila! P4s. Plus the usual scraps of leftovers.
Trying to get it all to flowchart into one seamless system is, if not impossible, incredibly implausible. Hope this un-cooked your brain.
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heheheh
Ecliptic Refuge
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Posted - 2010.08.23 12:15:00 -
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Edited by: heheheh on 23/08/2010 12:15:59
I was trying this for ages, i managed it a few times and it made my head hurt, now i have come to a different conclusion.
I dont see anything to be gained to go above producing p2.
With all the command centres and links you have that are making higher end mats, you could just have more extractors extracting the more expensive mats, not to mention the amount of hualing that needs to be done.
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Letrange
Minmatar
Chaosstorm Corporation
Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2010.08.23 14:49:00 -
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Edited by: Letrange on 23/08/2010 14:49:26
Ignore the guys who say to optimize based on Jita pricing. Being in WH space your logistics are a consideration.
Now if you're lucky enough to get a system with all 15 materials available in system I would advise 5 extractor planets pumping out P1's and a single manufacturing planet making P2->P3->P4's.
With certain exceptions the P1 and P4 are where the value is so what you want to do is over-extract/produce at the P1 level and manufacture P4 at the maximum rate you're capable of at the factory planet (something like 14 advanced factories to 1 high tech factory is about the right ratio if you're going for the entire P4 range instead of specializing)
There's still enough variation in prices at Jita with enough fluctuation that unless you want to go crazy switching your production every day it's simply better to produce it all and sell it all. Sure you'll lose out on individual items but on average you'll be doing fine. And if stuff is really horrible at that moment, simply hold off on selling it and in a few days the price swings will bring it back to a salable value.
Set up properly you'll be floating in PI materials in short order and the weekly trip to Jita will bring you plenty of income. Even on a single character.
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Elistan
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.25 03:47:00 -
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What I've been able to do is 3 High Tech, fed by 6 Advanced (2 of each of the 3 needed P3)Each, on the Final production plant. I do the P1 to P2 conversion on 3 planets so far. Though to saturate the production of the final planet I would need 6. To feed this I have extraction - P1 running on 9 planets.
So far it seems to work well, the production side of the process can support far more than the extraction side at this point. Currently This is for the production one of the most complex of the P4 products.
Also this is utilizing 3 Chars 2 running the extractions and a 3rd running the production and a POS Fuel production outpost. |
Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.08.25 11:55:00 -
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its a total waste of time to go so far down the chain unless you actually enjoy it.
Just spam p1s or p2.
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Trinkets friend
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Posted - 2010.08.26 05:38:00 -
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Yep, agree. My production chain is as unbalanced as a tipsy hooker at the moment, everything's backing up ahead of the P3's and P4's and the price of my planned P4 has crashed 50% by the time I was ready to churn it out. So now I'm selling P1's and P2's and stockpiling the P4's.
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