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Dimitrius Zabelle	Posted - 2010.08.22 12:24:00 - [1] Hello all. I am currently running level 4 kill missions with 2 accounts, both flying Cruise Ravens. Things are going very well and I have been able to run every single mission so far without even swapping hardeners from their current uniform damage setup. While doing these I seem to (at best) be getting wallet ticks of 6 million (each). From what I've been reading that's quite low, some players seem to be getting double that or more on a single account. So I am looking for advice in improving my setup. Is it unlikely that I'll be able to reach the numbers I've been hearing without faction ships / items or is it possible with the 2 Ravens? Many thanks in advance. Dim. PS: I thought about the idea of changing out one of the Cruise Ravens for Torps, would that be benefitial or am I best sticking with Cruise?
Anddeh McNab Matari Department of Gun Control	Posted - 2010.08.22 12:33:00 - [2] Originally by: Dimitrius Zabelle While doing these I seem to (at best) be getting wallet ticks of 6 million (each). From what I've been reading that's quite low, some players seem to be getting double that or more on a single account. Better ships/fittings would be my guess. CNR/Golems with faction damage mods.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.22 15:03:00 - [3] Originally by: Dimitrius Zabelle Hello all. I am currently running level 4 kill missions with 2 accounts, both flying Cruise Ravens. Things are going very well and I have been able to run every single mission so far without even swapping hardeners from their current uniform damage setup. While doing these I seem to (at best) be getting wallet ticks of 6 million (each). From what I've been reading that's quite low, some players seem to be getting double that or more on a single account. So I am looking for advice in improving my setup. Is it unlikely that I'll be able to reach the numbers I've been hearing without faction ships / items or is it possible with the 2 Ravens? Many thanks in advance. Dim. PS: I thought about the idea of changing out one of the Cruise Ravens for Torps, would that be benefitial or am I best sticking with Cruise? 6 million on EACH account is 36 million an hour in just bounty man, that's really good. Having multiple accounts is like having multiple processors, it doesn't exactly double the speed. You don't get double LP or salvage but you get close to .5 the kill time. When you say "fanboi" try to picture a fat man doing burlesque with 2 big ass fans that say CCP on one and HTFU on the other. Because that dude is me.
Dimitrius Zabelle	Posted - 2010.08.22 17:36:00 - [4] Well true it is a collective of 12m / tick with the two, but there are people who claim to be getting ticks of 20m+ / tick with a single account. I know these people are using faction ships or Marauders with faction modules, but I'm mostly looking for ways to maximize my dual non-faction ships to come as close as possible to matching those rewards. (note that these numbers are providing the best possible bounty rewarding missions).
Kacer Xenro Aura of Darkness Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.08.22 19:29:00 - [5] the fish you caught last fall gets larger for every time you tell someone about the story, not everything people say is entirely true
Jastra Gallente Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.22 21:26:00 - [6] I think depending on the missions you get then on average you are not doing any worse than most, maybe social skills and a better agent might help, it's all a question of slow increments in speed and payback really, ymmv but thats my observation, depends also on whether you salvage, etc, etc _ _ _
Larry Wickes	Posted - 2010.08.22 21:34:00 - [7] Edited by: Larry Wickes on 22/08/2010 21:35:07 Originally by: Dimitrius Zabelle Well true it is a collective of 12m / tick with the two, but there are people who claim to be getting ticks of 20m+ / tick with a single account. I know these people are using faction ships or Marauders with faction modules, but I'm mostly looking for ways to maximize my dual non-faction ships to come as close as possible to matching those rewards. (note that these numbers are providing the best possible bounty rewarding missions). Well, it's gonna depend on the mission, your skills, and your mods. I fly a faction fit torpedo Golem and do Sanctums/Havens. I too bring an alt, but only to supply my Golem with cap because the rats here neut. Otherwise I wouldn't bother with my alt. The highest wallet ticker I've ever gotten was on 1% tax day, and it was 14mil, 28mil if I was solo. Keep in mind my alt doesn't use guns/drones, I let my Golem do all the work. My alt only has RR on it. All I can say is... Learn your missile skills for the missiles skills you use to the best you can. I have Torp V, and Torp spec V. Sure it's only 2% RoF, but, hey, a little bit here and there helps. And well, in my opinion... The Golem can and will out preform a CNR anyday.
Car Wars Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage	Posted - 2010.08.22 23:49:00 - [8] Try to go for more dps. cald navy raven will help there, fit one for enough tank, but dont over tank. The other for max dps. As you get the hang things you will notice you can drop the tank of the tanker slightly for more dps. Killing stuff quicker will help to tank less. I wouldnt go torps as it would require more management of two chars. In theory the dps might be better but you need to fly two ships and cycle alot of painters . stick to cruise. Same why I prefer to to run one mission with two chars versus running two missions (one each), less micromanagement making it go a bit more practical and faster. Personally I run a tengu as tank with 840dps and a machariel with 1200dps with a mediocre tank (just to survive some aggro) rips through any mission quick.
Dimitrius Zabelle	Posted - 2010.08.23 07:15:00 - [9] Thanks very much for the suggestions. I'll try reducing the tank on one of the ships for more damage output and see how much of an improvement I can get. And yea I do realise that most of those tales of 20m ticks are very situational or exaggerated but I'm still wanting to try to be a perfectionist with my two ship setup ^_^ Thanks again all. Dim.
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2010.08.23 11:52:00 - [10] Raven Navy Issue will increase your DPS by about 18% over a Raven. Switching out tank for spank will increase your DPS too - swap out CCC rigs for Rigors, swap out cap power relays for Ballistic Controls. Swap out T1 meta 4 for faction mods - Caldari Navy Ballistic Controls, Caldari Navy Cruise Launchers, Republic Fleet Target Painter, etc. All of these will increase the "loot pinata" feel of your ships, so do pay attention. Swap out the tank for faction hardeners and X-Large booster, you'll get through missions with two hardeners and one booster. -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel]

baldnose	Posted - 2010.08.23 11:58:00 - [11] I've gotten over 20m on 2 accounts ( = over 40 mil ) but that's not in highsec. I expect to be able to improve that at least 50-60%
TheMahdi	Posted - 2010.08.23 12:05:00 - [12] Wallet ticks of 6mil are fine. You can get like 8-10mil on certain missions like Worlds Collide and AE, etc. But most of your income should be coming from LP anyway. Mission completion times are more important then your bounty ticks.
Trebor Whettam	Posted - 2010.08.23 13:16:00 - [13] Once your characters are each doing sufficient dps that the rats' tanks aren't a huge issue, you'll get superior isk/hr running them in their own separate missions. This is doubly true if you blitz missions.
Iron Eater	Posted - 2010.08.23 17:04:00 - [14] LP are a big part of the income. You can expect at least about 1000 ISK per LP point. You also can increase the amount of LP and ISK reward per mission a great deal by increasing your social skills. Last but not least you have to increase your standing to your agent. Once your agent standing is about 8.5+ your agent will offer the profitable missions. Below that standing mission income is low.
LilPotPie	Posted - 2010.08.24 01:38:00 - [15] Edited by: LilPotPie on 24/08/2010 01:43:35 Train social skills. also do not go raven's.
Dimitrius Zabelle	Posted - 2010.08.24 08:11:00 - [16] I already have social skills and am already gaining the big LP bonuses. My questions here were about maximising my ability to kill the pirates quickly for big bounty gains / time. These have already been answered and doing serpentis "The Assault" I previously was able to reach 6m bounties / tick and have pushed it to 7m. Will continue trying to improve on that, but I think I'll eventually simply have to upgrade to faction ships / fittings.
knentil	Posted - 2010.08.24 13:24:00 - [17] Edited by: knentil on 24/08/2010 13:24:41 before I had tengu. I made 9.5 mil per wallet tick some days.. NOTTTT including loot,salvage or LP. useless post for the day completed.


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