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Artemis97
Caldari Resistance Project The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.30 14:24:00 -
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So...
I've notified Jade and spent many hours this morning discussing it...
I'm pulling RESPR from Star Fraction, disbanding the corp and I'm gonna do something else.
Something a little less drama filled and something a little less gay.
So, for all of you who were cool, it was great meeting with you and I'll make sure I stay in touch. For the rest of the 12 year olds, keep clawing at each other for attention, it's what all the cool kids are doing.
I'm moving on to something less flagrantly homosexual.
o/
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Milo Caman
Gallente Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.30 14:32:00 -
[2]
*Sniff* just- just beautiful, beautiful-
*Milo can be heard gasping for air and laughing as the transmission ends* ---
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Myxx
Gallente Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing
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Posted - 2010.08.30 14:38:00 -
[3]
Edited by: Myxx on 30/08/2010 14:39:40
Originally by: Artemis97 So...
I've notified Jade and spent many hours this morning discussing it...
I'm pulling RESPR from Star Fraction, disbanding the corp and I'm gonna do something else.
Something a little less drama filled and something a little less gay.
So, for all of you who were cool, it was great meeting with you and I'll make sure I stay in touch. For the rest of the 12 year olds, keep clawing at each other for attention, it's what all the cool kids are doing.
I'm moving on to something less flagrantly homosexual.
o/
just for posterity..
Originally by: Artemis97 Edited by: Artemis97 on 24/08/2010 20:01:08 Edited by: Artemis97 on 24/08/2010 19:47:13 Hello IGS,
Diplomatic negotiations between myself and senior members of The Star Fraction just ended, with the decision being made that Resistance Project will be leaving Ghost Syndicate and joining SF. The alliance will be handed over to Myrhial Arkenath, who can decide where to take it from there.
I cannot pretend to adhere to Cartel policy regarding the Empires and their hypocritical ways no longer. After careful consideration, my ideologies and that of Star Fraction seem to coincide and mingle well together. The lack of assistance from the Cartel, along with the current schism between various Angel corps has made this into a situation I longer wish to try and make work.
I have sent my notice of resignation to Dominations and have notified the other members of EJECT leadership. RESPR will be part of the Star Fraction sometime in the next 72 hours, in order to assist with their campaign against Core Impulse.
For those who offered support, I say thank you. For those who acted like children, you win.
Thank you very much and I thank you for your time.
Jade, I look forward to flying with you very soon.
-Alexander Rykis Resistance Project, CEO
Originally by: Jade Constantine
The Free Captains of the Star Fraction come from many backgrounds and political foundations. Amongst our comrades are ex nationalists, ex pirates, ex soldiers, ex cult members, ex territorialists and ex conformists. As Free Captains they become simply ex-traordinary.
The war we fight is the war against regressive stasis and the slaves of hierarchy across the star cluster. This revolution is ongoing and will always be televised!
We're also not very popular with toothless galnet ranters.
So welcome to the fight Resistance Project. In the Fraction everyone fights, everyone votes, nobody quits. If this sounds good to you then I think everything will work out nicely.
Originally by: Artemis97 This sounds fantastic to me. I can't wait.
My corp application is in and I am in the process of moving assets now.
This just got epicly funny. --
My opinion is my own and nothing but my own. Before putting words in my mouth, it might help to ask for clarification if you are confused. |

Adeptus mecanicus
Caldari The Flaming Sideburn's Ronin Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.30 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis97 So...
I've notified Jade and spent many hours this morning discussing it...I'm flagrantly homosexual.
o/
good luck and fly safe
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2010.08.30 14:42:00 -
[5]
I was not aware there was any correlation between homosexuality and...well, whatever the hell this is supposed to be. ------------ Luminaire General Seriphyn Inhonores Eleutherian Guard [FDU] |

Myxx
Gallente Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing
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Posted - 2010.08.30 14:46:00 -
[6]
Originally by: Adeptus mecanicus
Originally by: Artemis97 So...
I've notified Jade and spent many hours this morning discussing it...I'm flagrantly homosexual.
o/
good luck and fly safe
flawless win. thread over. --
My opinion is my own and nothing but my own. Before putting words in my mouth, it might help to ask for clarification if you are confused. |

Artemis97
Caldari Resistance Project The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.30 14:48:00 -
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The fact that the vast majority acts like they are 12.
You people are 10x worse than Goons could ever be. The past two months have easily been the most excruciating thing I have endured in Eve, aside from actually flying with Star Fraction.
By the way...
Milo, you're a snarky little **** and I am coming after you. So help me God, I will **** with you until you stop piloting a pod.
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Milo Caman
Gallente Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.30 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis97 Edited by: Artemis97 on 30/08/2010 14:51:15 Milo, you're a snarky little **** and I am coming after you. I don't really hate people, but you are the exception. So help me God, I will **** with you until you stop piloting a pod.
By all means, I'd love some badly fit faction ship kills. Give me a call when you're headed my way and I'll put the kettle on, huh? ---
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Nikita Alterana
Risen Angels
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Posted - 2010.08.30 14:59:00 -
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Nikita smirks, trying to supress a grin, she fails and ends up grinning wider and wider before breaking into a fit of giggles and nearly falling out of her chair
Thin skin for a goon, I think we hurt his feelings.
Crazy doesn't even start to cover it |

Myxx
Gallente Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing
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Posted - 2010.08.30 15:01:00 -
[10]
Edited by: Myxx on 30/08/2010 15:01:55
Originally by: Artemis97 Edited by: Artemis97 on 30/08/2010 14:51:15 Edited by: Artemis97 on 30/08/2010 14:50:41 The fact that the vast majority acts like they are 12.
You people are 10x worse than Goons could ever be. The past two months have easily been the most excruciating thing I have endured in Eve, aside from actually flying with Star Fraction. SF was lots of fun and I will stay in contact with them.
By the way...
Milo, you're a snarky little **** and I am coming after you. I don't really hate people, but you are the exception. So help me God, I will **** with you until you stop piloting a pod.
... Mad goony is mad. So cute, he is trying to be angry! Come back to empire, Goony, you can mine veldspar in Amarr with Chribba and try to scam people in jita with everyone else. It'll be okay.
---
God, that was painful. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. HTFU, Etc. --
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.08.30 15:08:00 -
[11]
This has got to be some sort of world record. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.08.30 15:12:00 -
[12]
My god...
>>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<< |

Adeptus mecanicus
Caldari The Flaming Sideburn's Ronin Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.30 15:15:00 -
[13]
the best part is that we can hear jades teeth grind all the way to K-QWHE 
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Demetri Slavic
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.08.30 15:15:00 -
[14]
As predicted.
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Artemis97
Caldari Resistance Project
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Posted - 2010.08.30 15:19:00 -
[15]
Jade thinks it's absolutely ridiculous as well
And it's quite sad.
And Nikita, I guess your balls are bigger than mine. Thumbs up.
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Cheiftan
Minmatar Shinryaku Jakkaru Reikon
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Posted - 2010.08.30 15:24:00 -
[16]
Quote: My god...
What he said ^^
*Breaks out into a fit of laughter*
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.08.30 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Milo Caman By all means, I'd love some badly fit faction ship kills. Give me a call when you're headed my way and I'll put the kettle on, huh?
Milo, I don't usually offer my assistance to pirate corporations, least of all Serpentis, but for you, I'll make an exception. If any assistance at all is required from Mixed Metaphor we will be more than happy to provide it. We will, in fact, be euphoric. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Stitcher
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2010.08.30 15:29:00 -
[18]
keep it up, you've got to be getting close to the world record for digging yourself into a hole. -
- Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.08.30 15:33:00 -
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Artemis... I must confess, you are so wild and untamed that I feel a guilty pleasure of seeing you as quite a challenge. A raw stone perhaps to be lapidated. And of course most of these utterly inept IGS fools hating you is quite a plus in my eyes. I'm enticed with the idea of making you a Sani Sabik just because of that.
* Revan laughs shaking her head *
Amusing.
Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
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Victoria Stecker
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.08.30 15:34:00 -
[20]
** Tosses Artemis a shovel **
Seriously, I thought it was funny when you tried to recruit me to help with the leadership of your little venture with the Angels.
I thought it couldn't get any funnier when you left them for SF, citing 'hypocrisy' among other complaints.
But, I stand corrected. I applaud you, Artemis; at every turn, you have found a way to act like an inconsiderate, self-absorbed, ass-kissing child. You have been delightfully entertaining and I will miss you dearly.
Fly safe.
- In the embrace of Hell, I am no longer afraid, for with His damned embrace, I have become that which I once most feared: Death. |

Nikita Alterana
Risen Angels
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Posted - 2010.08.30 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis97
And Nikita, I guess your balls are bigger than mine. Thumbs up.
So yer sayin yer'a spineless git then?
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Artemis97
Caldari Resistance Project
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Posted - 2010.08.30 15:37:00 -
[22]
Originally by: Nikita Alterana
Originally by: Artemis97
And Nikita, I guess your balls are bigger than mine. Thumbs up.
So yer sayin yer'a spineless git then?
Where the **** did you learn to write?
Seriously, put together a coherent sentence and then come back to me.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.30 15:47:00 -
[23]
If we are talking records I think we are shooting for the galaxy record number of toothless incapable in space mouthpieces ranting fruitlessly to no purpose on the IGS. Business as usual in other words.
Join the Revolution!
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Sinjin Mokk
Amarr Khanid Provincial Vanguard
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Posted - 2010.08.30 15:52:00 -
[24]
I think someone needs to re-read the rules about what is deemed acceptable behavior here on IGS...
Serving the Dark Amarr
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.08.30 16:17:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Jade Constantine incapable in space
You keep saying this and it keeps being false. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.30 16:19:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 30/08/2010 16:24:57
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Jade Constantine incapable in space
You keep saying this and it keeps being false.
Says who?
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.08.30 16:25:00 -
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Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 30/08/2010 16:26:42
Originally by: Jade Constantine Says who?
Says the clearly verifiable fact that I undock frequently, go on roams regularly and generally fly around in space. I feel no need to provide direct proof of the fact that I leave stations because, given that I have not seen a member of Star Fraction in any system I've been in for going on four months now despite being fairly active around Placid, Black Rise and Essence, so you would have absolutely no way of knowing whether I undock or not, and thus your statements are baseless, whereas I simply need to undock once to prove you wrong.
Also, good work changing your statement at the last minute to reference a pilot who runs a corporation whose members I have also not seen in local for going on... well, ever, now, thus he isn't any more qualified to talk about my actions in space than you are. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Luc Benoit
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Posted - 2010.08.30 16:25:00 -
[28]
Umm...bye.
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Stitcher
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2010.08.30 16:26:00 -
[29]
Edited by: Stitcher on 30/08/2010 16:26:08
Originally by: Jade Constantine Says who?
Pretty much everyone who isn't you, Jade. -
- Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.30 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher Pretty much everyone who isn't you, Jade.
You mean the loyalist club of empire pilots incapable of fighting wars ... That kind of "everyone" ... you realize you are sitting in a channel of 20 bitter washed out hasbeens right now and none of you are capable of fighting a war in space right and thats the reason we ONLY see you on the forums.
Join the Revolution!
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Stitcher
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2010.08.30 16:32:00 -
[31]
It's almost cute how you think all you need to do if you want to win an argument is baselessly insult everybody else in ways that are totally irrelevant to the discussion. -
- Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.08.30 16:34:00 -
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Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 30/08/2010 16:34:11 This compared to the woman who couldn't even keep a four-member (and the word "member" definitely applies) corporation in line for a week and declared open season on the mercenaries who were sent to help her.
And with all this talk of war and beligerence, you sound like you're having a testosterone overdose. They sell pills for that nowadays. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Bern Blackwood
Amarr Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.08.30 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine ... you realize you are sitting in a channel of 20 bitter washed out hasbeens right now and none of you are capable of fighting a war in space right and thats the reason we ONLY see you on the forums.
A situation you are well experienced in Jade 
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Han Renbai
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.08.30 16:51:00 -
[34]
Seeking something less drama filled...oh the irony.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.30 16:51:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Stitcher It's almost cute how you think all you need to do if you want to win an argument is baselessly insult everybody else in ways that are totally irrelevant to the discussion.
This isn't a discussion.
Join the Revolution!
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Artemis97
Caldari Resistance Project
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Posted - 2010.08.30 16:51:00 -
[36]
Hey
/me snaps fingers
Stop talking **** to Jade and SF because you can't and won't back it up.
Second, having anyone on here posting comparing my actions to that of a child is incredibly hilarious and hypocritical.
Third, I'd rather enjoy learning the Sani Sabik ways from you Revan. Thank you very much for the invitation to your corp, but I'll have to decline. I'm moving back north.
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Stitcher
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2010.08.30 16:53:00 -
[37]
Edited by: Stitcher on 30/08/2010 16:54:38 Edited by: Stitcher on 30/08/2010 16:53:49
Originally by: Artemis97 Hey
/me snaps fingers
Stop talking **** to Jade and SF because you can't and won't back it up.
Well, you're half-right at least. We won't.
"can't" is a different matter altogether.
At this point, I should probably add the disclaimer that nothing I'm saying is an official LDIS policy or position and should not be taken as such. I'd rather not have to explain things to my CEO in the unlikely event that SF DO decide to practice what they preach. -
- Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.08.30 16:53:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Jade Constantine This isn't a discussion.
I'm afraid the world doesn't revolve around you, this is a discussion, if you, as I strongly suspect, don't like having discussions, you are welcome to go somewhere else. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Artemis97
Caldari Resistance Project
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Posted - 2010.08.30 16:59:00 -
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Edited by: Artemis97 on 30/08/2010 16:59:37 Actually, this isn't a discussion.
This is me saying you're all flagrantly homosexual and incredibly immature. This is me saying I am leaving SF and closing the doors of my corp for more enjoyable endeavors. And this is me saying you are a steaming pile of douche unmatched by few others, besides maybe Milo.
EDIT: and Soter
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.08.30 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis97 This is me saying you're all flagrantly homosexual
Guilty, as charged. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Lord Maximullis
Amarr Universal Army Damu'Khonde
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Posted - 2010.08.30 17:04:00 -
[41]
What's wrong with being homosexual? |

Nikita Alterana
Risen Angels
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Posted - 2010.08.30 17:05:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Artemis97 Edited by: Artemis97 on 30/08/2010 16:59:37
This is me saying you're all flagrantly homosexual
As am I, as is your good friend Jade, so perhaps think a wee bit before using it as an insult.
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Aodha Khan
Minmatar Matari Stormriders
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Posted - 2010.08.30 17:06:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Artemis97
This is me saying you're all flagrantly homosexual and incredibly immature.
You continuously point fingers at others while doing exactly what your accusing them of. Isn't calling someome homosexual acting immature?
Good luck, Artemis97, you will be missed I'm sure...never have we had such entertainment on IGS. 
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Aodha Khan
Minmatar Matari Stormriders
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Posted - 2010.08.30 17:16:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Cheiftan
It says a lot about Jades own incompetence when she lets idiots like you through the front door so you can spread your own hatred of peoples freedom to be homosexual.
I have to say I was surprised with this too but not only Jade was fooled by what was obvious to others. Aria, Myrhial, Nikita, Revan....all people I have worked with and have much respect for.
Was he drugging their Quafe or what?!
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente C C P

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Posted - 2010.08.30 17:23:00 -
[45]
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.30 17:30:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Aodha Khan
Originally by: Cheiftan
It says a lot about Jades own incompetence when she lets idiots like you through the front door so you can spread your own hatred of peoples freedom to be homosexual.
I have to say I was surprised with this too but not only Jade was fooled by what was obvious to others. Aria, Myrhial, Nikita, Revan....all people I have worked with and have much respect for.
Was he drugging their Quafe or what?!
I will tell you one thing here Aodha Khan. To be "fooled" or to make "mistakes" one has to have an open mind and be prepared to look past hue and cry and claims of the usual suspects. If we are to be condemned for the crime of allowing people to experience the company of Free Captains without prejudice or cliquey arrogance then so be it.
I'd rather be guilty of such things than proven innocent with a single polished and varnished closed mind incapable of expecting the best from people and never prepared to give the benefit of doubt in anything.
Perhaps this seems unwise to you. But it is our way and always has been.
Join the Revolution!
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Merdaneth
Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2010.08.30 17:39:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Artemis97
I'm pulling RESPR from Star Fraction, disbanding the corp and I'm gonna do something else.
Something a little less drama filled.
With everybody falling over each other congratulating themselves, I haven't seen the core question answered:
Why?
Why are you leaving Star Fraction? Why are you disbanding RESPR?
Are suggesting it was because you "couldn't stand the drama"?
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The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |

Artemis97
Caldari Resistance Project
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Posted - 2010.08.30 17:44:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Merdaneth
Originally by: Artemis97
I'm pulling RESPR from Star Fraction, disbanding the corp and I'm gonna do something else.
Something a little less drama filled.
With everybody falling over each other congratulating themselves, I haven't seen the core question answered:
Why?
Why are you leaving Star Fraction? Why are you disbanding RESPR?
Are suggesting it was because you "couldn't stand the drama"?
That's precisely what it was. Also, attempting subterfuge is against SF policy. So we just felt that it wasn't worth sticking around for anyone involved.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.08.30 17:46:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Artemis97 Also, attempting subterfuge is against SF policy
Is succeeding in subterfuge also against SF policy?  ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Merdaneth
Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2010.08.30 17:59:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Artemis97 Also, attempting subterfuge is against SF policy
Is succeeding in subterfuge also against SF policy? 
Perhaps only being found out is against SF policy?
The Cosmopolite's statement that they had no knowledge of it, without going so far as condemning it, suggests that Star Fraction supports such operations.
In this case disavowing knowledge is insufficient. If you bring a known and remorseless murderer into your ranks, you shouldn't be surprised if he continues to murder people. In this case, they brought a known false flag operative into their ranks. "We didn't know he would try that" sounds like a very poor excuse.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.08.30 18:11:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Merdaneth Perhaps...
We can see you're back stalking SF matters again with your utter irrelevance. Didn't the therapy (in whatever asylum you put yourself in to cure this obsession) work after all?

Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.30 18:42:00 -
[52]
Directors of the Star Fraction met with CEO Artemis97 of Resistance Project corporation earlier today in light of certain information brought to their attention. In the meeting the CEO of Resistance Project acknowledged that certain of his activities while within the Star Fraction had been in direct contravention of the articles of association of the alliance û specifically the organisation of an infiltration operation aimed at sabotage, theft and organisational subversion. Having admitted this, he volunteered to remove his corporation from the association.
His admission and prompt action when confronted with the allegations was welcome, saving the Star Fraction a full investigation and the necessity, should the investigation have shown what the CEO admitted was the case, to expell the Resistance Project from the alliance.
The Star Fraction policy is clear: we do not carry out infiltrations for the purposes of theft, sabotage or subversion of organisational control. The relationship with the Resistance Project has been severed as a direct consequence of their actions in contravention of this policy.
This will be the Star Fraction's one and only formal statement on the matter of the Resistance Project's departure from the alliance.
The Cosmopolite
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Vonqueesha Shenaynay
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2010.08.30 19:10:00 -
[53]
Well... theft wasn't part of the arrangement but I see where you're going with this.
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Sabbott
Amarr Blood Inquisition
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Posted - 2010.08.30 19:37:00 -
[54]
I must say, It is my personal opinion you rushed into many different situations, and maybe your visions of things did not conform to what was reality or those who would be around you... But, You have never lived life if you've not failed or made mistakes, it only matters how you compose yourself afterwards that matters...
So I hope you learned some things from this.. and it makes you a better & stronger person in the future. Learning Sani Sabik faith from Revan might help as well.
In any case, Best of luck Artemis aka Alexander Rykis
-High Inquisitor Sabbott
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Revan Neferis
Amarr The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.08.30 19:52:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Sabbott
I must say, It is my personal opinion you rushed into many different situations, and maybe your visions of things did not conform to what was reality or those who would be around you... But, You have never lived life if you've not failed or made mistakes, it only matters how you compose yourself afterwards that matters...
So I hope you learned some things from this.. and it makes you a better & stronger person in the future. Learning Sani Sabik faith from Revan might help as well.
In any case, Best of luck Artemis aka Alexander Rykis
-High Inquisitor Sabbott
I must say, I'm utterly disgusted by what these people have done tothis man. I hope he doesn't get discouraged by it and still keep in touch. I don't find it funny neither proper to point out that he crossed some limits here when speaking of his pain, but I feel this man has been abused and simply didn't know better how to react to those worthless people who he should simply ignore and never even spare a breath to their attention. This Universe is ruthless and you must learn to deal with this as well.
To Artemis, I will gladly teach you the ways of Sani Sabik and you absolutely don't need to be inside my Temple to do so. Keep in touch, wherever you go. It was a pleasure to meet you.
Never give up.
Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
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Artemis97
Caldari Resistance Project
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Posted - 2010.08.30 19:57:00 -
[56]
I won't Revan, thank you.
I'm joining TEST alliance up north. I am, however, through with dealing with the majority of lolRP community.
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Merdaneth
Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2010.08.30 20:42:00 -
[57]
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
This will be the Star Fraction's one and only formal statement on the matter of the Resistance Project's departure from the alliance.
The Cosmopolite
I am glad you took the time to make a second one and only statement, providing a much clearer perspective from Star Fraction on these matters. I am content with this explanation.
I'll consider it nothing more than yet another glaring misjudgement by Star Fraction's CEO. ____
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John Revenent
Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2010.08.30 20:48:00 -
[58]
Complaining about drama... you did join Star Fraction, anyways another competitor swept into the wind.
Good luck out there pilot.
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Kimochi Rendar
Veto.
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Posted - 2010.08.30 20:57:00 -
[59]
The only way this thread could become an even more amusing read would be if Mr. Rykis were to issue an addendum explaining how he could no longer stand the embarrassment he had caused himself, and had decided to go for a walk outside his home station without his capsule or a pressure suit shortly after cancelling all his clone contracts.
That would honestly have me in stitches.
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Morwen Lagann
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.08.30 21:21:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Kimochi Rendar The only way this thread could become an even more amusing read would be if Mr. Rykis were to issue an addendum explaining how he could no longer stand the embarrassment he had caused himself, and had decided to go for a walk outside his home station without his capsule or a pressure suit shortly after cancelling all his clone contracts.
That would honestly have me in stitches.
Dammit, Kimochi, you've probably just prevented that by suggesting it here!
Though, totally saw this coming... oh, about a month ago? If only I'd thought to put ISK down on it... dammit.
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Artemis97
Caldari Resistance Project
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Posted - 2010.08.30 21:24:00 -
[61]
Or was this all just an elaborate troll?
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Kimochi Rendar
Veto.
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Posted - 2010.08.30 21:38:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Artemis97 Or was this all just an elaborate troll?
Generally speaking, trolls get their jollies out of upsetting people, wasting their time or sewing chaos among their target community.
It seems that the majority of those outside of SF RESPR and EJECT have merely found the whole escapade intensely funny at your own expense, rather than annoying or frustrating on any level. If this whole thing was indeed an attempt at trolling, then I'd say that you have failed even more spectacularly than we'd previously thought.
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Graelyn
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2010.08.30 21:38:00 -
[63]
Hm.
Jade is 'winning hearts and minds' like a true revolutionary.
And Revan lost her alliance due to one of the biggest political missteps I ever saw. (Don't throw mercs against your own blues, eh?)
It seems the loudest annoyances tend to deal with themselves given time.
Life goes on...
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Morwen Lagann
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.08.30 21:40:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Artemis97 Or was this all just an elaborate troll?
Smells more like a half-assed attempt at saving face to me, but what do I know?
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Revan Neferis
Amarr The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.08.30 22:04:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Graelyn And Revan lost her alliance...
Mentally challenged is a compliment to you. But we know that since 6 years back, don't we?
No, boy, I didn't lost any alliance. Ask Tomahawk before trying to open your mouth for a change silly one.
Could only be amarr troll old loyalist.
Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
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Graelyn
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2010.08.30 23:01:00 -
[66]
I'm sure there's a language out there where that last bit made sense?
And no, I will not be consulting one of your people to find out what I already know. That's just dumb. You're drooling dumb all over the place.
It's so Tribal...you've been associating with the lessers for far too long.
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Invelious
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2010.08.30 23:54:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Artemis97 Edited by: Artemis97 on 30/08/2010 14:51:15 Edited by: Artemis97 on 30/08/2010 14:50:41 The fact that the vast majority acts like they are 12.
You people are 10x worse than Goons could ever be. The past two months have easily been the most excruciating thing I have endured in Eve, aside from actually flying with Star Fraction. SF was lots of fun and I will stay in contact with them.
By the way...
Milo, you're a snarky little **** and I am coming after you. I don't really hate people, but you are the exception. So help me God, I will **** with you until you stop piloting a pod.
No one is worse than goons, and flying with star fraction envolves sitting in or just within dock range of the "24th" station in kamela, so if thats fun you are missing out on so much more man.
"So help me God, I will **** with you until you stop piloting a pod." Thats emptier then space.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.08.31 00:52:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Graelyn Edited by: Graelyn on 30/08/2010 23:34:23
Aww,
Suits you.
Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
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Invelious
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2010.08.31 02:23:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Revan Neferis Edited by: Revan Neferis on 31/08/2010 01:00:19
Originally by: Graelyn
Aww
Good dog.
Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
Try not looking in the mirror next time you speak on the igs.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.08.31 02:36:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Invelious Try ...
Again kiddo.
Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
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Ninnuma
Caldari Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2010.08.31 02:56:00 -
[71]
Edited by: Ninnuma on 31/08/2010 02:57:35
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Invelious Try ...
Again kiddo.
Revan thinks her 'stay docked' tactics work on the IGS. 
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Revan Neferis
Amarr The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.08.31 03:01:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Ninnuma Revan ...
Another time.
Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
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Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.31 05:11:00 -
[73]
Originally by: The Cosmopolite Directors of the Star Fraction met with CEO Artemis97 of Resistance Project corporation earlier today in light of certain information brought to their attention. In the meeting the CEO of Resistance Project acknowledged that certain of his activities while within the Star Fraction had been in direct contravention of the articles of association of the alliance û specifically the organisation of an infiltration operation aimed at sabotage, theft and organisational subversion. Having admitted this, he volunteered to remove his corporation from the association.
His admission and prompt action when confronted with the allegations was welcome, saving the Star Fraction a full investigation and the necessity, should the investigation have shown what the CEO admitted was the case, to expell the Resistance Project from the alliance.
The Star Fraction policy is clear: we do not carry out infiltrations for the purposes of theft, sabotage or subversion of organisational control. The relationship with the Resistance Project has been severed as a direct consequence of their actions in contravention of this policy.
This will be the Star Fraction's one and only formal statement on the matter of the Resistance Project's departure from the alliance.
The Cosmopolite
I seem to recall over a year ago the Star Fraction was quite vocal about the results of a PIE investigation into No Mercy corporation. An investigation that led to standings adjustment and other actions in relation to No Mercy by the loyalists of PIE. An investigation the Star Fraction seemed quite obsessed with even though they had nothing to do with the issue at hand (you could say they were "stalking").
I'm wondering if the Star Fraction will now show the resolve of their stated position and condemn the Resistance Project for their actions of subterfuge, theft and whatnot (either planned or carried out)? After all we must all remember the Star Fraction has made quite a name for themselves demanding others condemn, disavow and otherwise disown allies, actions and beliefs going so far as to interupt a memorial service in an attempt to garner media attention.
Will they now apply the same standard to themselves or will they hypocritically just forget about it? Given their history I'm betting on "hypocrisy" so I won't hold my breath waiting for them to condemn these acts The Cosmopolite has so clearly stated violated Star Fraction policy.
Archbishop
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Artemis97
Caldari Resistance Project
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Posted - 2010.08.31 07:18:00 -
[74]
No they won't. Because I already admitted that the info was true and pulled my corp from their ranks, thus saving them an investigation.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.31 07:25:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Artemis97 No they won't. Because I already admitted that the info was true and pulled my corp from their ranks, thus saving them an investigation.
The question was about whether or not SF would condemn your corp, not whether they would conduct an investigation.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Merdaneth
Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2010.08.31 07:28:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Artemis97 No they won't. Because I already admitted that the info was true and pulled my corp from their ranks, thus saving them an investigation.
You mean they blindly trusted the word of a known and self-admitted liar and traitor?
I think a proper investigation would be in order, if only to determine how someone of your caliber got drafted into the alliance, find who was responsible for this gross error in judgement, and then take measures to prevent if from happening again.
Investigations can serve more purposes than just finding someone to blame, but I realize that an organization as used to kangaroo courts like the Star Fraction has difficulty seeing that. ____
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Artemis97
Caldari Resistance Project
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Posted - 2010.08.31 08:37:00 -
[77]
I am many things, but a liar is not one of them.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.31 08:46:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Artemis97 I am many things, but a liar is not one of them.
And here was me thinking that a certain amount of lying was required when infiltrating a corp
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Artemis97
Caldari Resistance Project
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Posted - 2010.08.31 10:55:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Artemis97 I am many things, but a liar is not one of them.
And here was me thinking that a certain amount of lying was required when infiltrating a corp
Seeing as how I never infiltrated the corp, that doesn't quite make sense does it?
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.31 11:36:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Artemis97
Seeing as how I never infiltrated the corp
Only because you're a failure.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.08.31 11:45:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Artemis97 Seeing as how I never infiltrated the corp
So the excuse for why you shouldn't be considered a liar is that you're miserably incompetent at it?
OK. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Artemis97
Caldari Resistance Project
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Posted - 2010.08.31 12:17:00 -
[82]
mmm
I seem to recall the conversation merely presenting a potential client with an offer and them subsequently saying no. There was no attempt or any failed attempt or even a thought of an attempt.
Hell, it wasn't even 100% sure that infiltration even needed to be done, because there wasn't even a plan. All there was, was an offer of results which were refused. Nothing more, nothing less.
Sometimes I think the people that respond to these things just want to hear themselves talk.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.08.31 12:20:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Artemis97 Sometimes I think the people that respond to these things just want to hear themselves talk.
Well yeah, I'm pretty certain you do. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Artemis97
Caldari Resistance Project
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Posted - 2010.08.31 12:25:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Artemis97 Sometimes I think the people that respond to these things just want to hear themselves talk.
Well yeah, I'm pretty certain you do.
Then why is it you must always have the last word? I can admit that I enjoy hearing myself talk. But you... you love the attention as much as anyone else.
Prove me wrong and do not respond to this.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.08.31 12:33:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Artemis97 Then why is it you must always have the last word? blah blah blah
Prove me wrong and do not respond to this.
Because you are really goddamn funny when you're raged and trying desperately to use occupatio as a rhetorical tactic. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Mammal Tafren
Gallente Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2010.08.31 12:51:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Artemis97 Then why is it you must always have the last word? blah blah blah
Prove me wrong and do not respond to this.
Because you are really goddamn funny when you're raged and trying desperately to use occupatio as a rhetorical tactic.
Why bother?
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Sabbott
Amarr Blood Inquisition
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Posted - 2010.08.31 13:01:00 -
[87]
This has boiled down to a schoolyard fight, *points finger at Artemis97 & Andreus* Stop arguing ! I'm giving you both detention for causing a ruckus on IGS! , you must read your own words for one hour after the bell rings boys, I could not find any better punishment..
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.08.31 14:20:00 -
[88]
Reading my own words for an hour would bring me positive joy, Sabbott - I always love flawless victories. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Artemis97
Caldari Resistance Project
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Posted - 2010.08.31 14:41:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Reading my own words for an hour would bring me positive joy, Sabbott - I always love flawless victories.
You can't let me have the last word I see.
I win.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.08.31 14:52:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Artemis97 I win.
Yet you clearly can't bare not to have the last word either. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Artemis97
Caldari Resistance Project
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Posted - 2010.08.31 14:56:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Artemis97 I win.
Yet you clearly can't bare not to have the last word either.
I don't need to. I win.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.31 14:59:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Artemis97
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Artemis97 I win.
Yet you clearly can't bare not to have the last word either.
I don't need to. I win.
I'm sure that they'll give you a big medal and lashings of ginger beer to celebrate your "victory"
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Artemis97
Caldari Resistance Project
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Posted - 2010.08.31 15:01:00 -
[93]
Nope, patting myself on the back will do just fine.
You should know all about that, you're quite good at it.
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Jakiin
Amarr Khanid Provincial Vanguard
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Posted - 2010.08.31 15:02:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Artemis97
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Artemis97 I win.
Yet you clearly can't bare not to have the last word either.
I don't need to. I win.
This is how the longest IGS thread of the year will hit records. * Jakiin Torash Holder Heir of the Kingdom Chief Diplomatic Officer
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Merdaneth
Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2010.08.31 15:05:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Artemis97 I am many things, but a liar is not one of them.
I have no direct proof of you lying.
I assumed that when you agreed to follow SF guidelines and princincples and violated them within days, you never meant to follow them.
Do you mean to say that:
A. You violated those rules accidentally and without your knowledge? B. You were initially honest when you agreed, but changed your mind within a few days? ____
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Artemis97
Caldari Resistance Project
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Posted - 2010.08.31 15:22:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Merdaneth
Originally by: Artemis97 I am many things, but a liar is not one of them.
I have no direct proof of you lying.
I assumed that when you agreed to follow SF guidelines and princincples and violated them within days, you never meant to follow them.
Do you mean to say that:
A. You violated those rules accidentally and without your knowledge? B. You were initially honest when you agreed, but changed your mind within a few days?
I mean that:
I was not aware of the policy regarding SF's outlook on subversion when I made the decision to follow up with the client.
Upon being informed and shown where the information was written, I realized I was in the wrong. I was asked if the allegations were true and I said they were. I proceeded to offer to voluntarily withdraw my corp from the alliance in order to show that the alliance had absolutely nothing to do with any of it and I had acted on my own. They agreed it would be for the best and so I did.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.31 17:05:00 -
[97]
Speaking purely personally, I regard the entire episode as a confirmation of our principles in two regards:
1) We will give those who represent themselves as sincerely wishing to change their way of life a chance to do so. This carries a risk with it but we accept that risk as the price for an optimistic view û that we do not care to discard û of the capacity for each individual to change for the better.
2) We will not tolerate or condone certain actions being carried out by our pilots or corporations and will take all necessary steps when there is evidence such actions have been carried out. Our actions in confronting a member with the allegations, ready to take the step of expelling that member should the allegations prove to be true, have demonstrated this.
When the plain facts are examined the above is all this episode shows with regard to the Star Fraction. Those who think it speaks against us are welcome to think that way. That in itself says something. I certainly will not take lessons in principle or accusations of hypocrisy from those who were content to see a pilot break the rules of their organisation and who attempted to justify it retrospectively.
That stands in stark contrast to what we did when we addressed the issue very directly with the pilot concerned, took the necessary steps and were entirely open about it. I take the personal view that the Star Fraction has done all it needs to do with respect to the matter. The actions themselves underline our standing condemnation û based on our view that it is better, where practically possible, to enhance trust than undermine it û of all infiltrations aimed at theft, sabotage and organisational destabilisation.
Having put my personal view on the record, I will not be saying anything further in any capacity on the matter.
The Cosmopolite
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Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.31 23:12:00 -
[98]
Still no official condemnation by the Star Fraction. I can only assume the silence of the Star Fraction means they have no intention of issuing an official condemnation of the corporation in question. Likewise whereas they attempted to coerce I-RED into disavowing and breaking off all relations with CVA it seems they're more adept at using violence and the threat of violence to intimidate others into condeming and disavowing former allies and action then they are at applying those same standards to themselves.
Hypocritical to say the least.
Archbishop
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Artemis97
Caldari Resistance Project
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Posted - 2010.09.01 16:30:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Archbishop
Still no official condemnation by the Star Fraction. I can only assume the silence of the Star Fraction means they have no intention of issuing an official condemnation of the corporation in question. Likewise whereas they attempted to coerce I-RED into disavowing and breaking off all relations with CVA it seems they're more adept at using violence and the threat of violence to intimidate others into condeming and disavowing former allies and action then they are at applying those same standards to themselves.
Hypocritical to say the least.
Archbishop
Why do people keep calling for condemnation?
The Cosmopolite has said from both a personal and a diplomatic standpoint that Star Fraction does not approve of such actions in any way, shape or form and is the reason Resistance Project was required to leave. Due to the way I handled the situation, along with my upfront honesty, I was given the option of saving a little face and voluntarily removing myself and my corp from the alliance. It is a manner of courtesy and diplomacy.
Stop calling for condemnation and asking for a 16-page thread from SF when they have already announced their feelings on the matter.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.09.01 17:03:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Archbishop
Still no official condemnation by the Star Fraction.
On behalf of Star Fraction I condemn Archbishop of PIE as a toothless fraud, liar, and deceitful maggot investing the dead dog of Amarrian Imperialism.
Happy now?
Join the Revolution!
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Icarus3
Gallente DAEDALUS X Damu'Khonde
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Posted - 2010.09.02 07:49:00 -
[101]
Edited by: Icarus3 on 02/09/2010 07:50:34
Originally by: Artemis97 Something a little less drama filled.
I don't understand how you're wishing to avoid any further drama by announcing your corporation is to disband and leave -SF-...

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Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.09.05 02:06:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Artemis97
Why do people keep calling for condemnation?
The Cosmopolite has said from both a personal and a diplomatic standpoint that Star Fraction does not approve of such actions in any way, shape or form and is the reason Resistance Project was required to leave. Due to the way I handled the situation, along with my upfront honesty, I was given the option of saving a little face and voluntarily removing myself and my corp from the alliance. It is a manner of courtesy and diplomacy.
Stop calling for condemnation and asking for a 16-page thread from SF when they have already announced their feelings on the matter.
The word "condemnation" has quite a history where the Star Fraction is concerned. Perhaps that is why so many are now asking where their condemnation is in this situation. As a recent example I will refer you to the I-RED incident where the Star Fraction interupted a memorial service seeking a public condemnation by I-RED of the CVA and their activities. Also in that case the Star Fraction seemed to take the fact I-RED said they would continue on good relations with CVA despite renouncing slavery as justification that they were supporting the CVA positions. Given that example we can only assume by the lack of official condemnation by the Star Fraction and the fact they seem to still plan to have friendly relations with Artemis that they indeed support the actions taken.
Of course the Star Fraction will deny this... but they are hypocrites after all and the demands for condemnation they make of others they do not feel apply to themselves. Likewise while others are expected to abandon friendships and alliances with those they wish condemned they will hypocritically not abandon such friendships themselves.
This is why the question of "condemnation" is so important. Will the Star Fraction practice what they preach, condemn these actions officially and disavow friendship and alliance with those who committed the acts... or will they simply act like hypocrites and continue as usual.
Archbishop
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Invelious
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2010.09.05 02:25:00 -
[103]
Act like hypocrites, and then begin attacking you to deflect the entire post you made Archi. Followed up with some misdirected comments to derail the thread and lock it down so people forget.
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